May 7th: PM2019 065 - Dragon Battle! Satoshi VS Iris!!

[Ragnarok4]

No, Lucario is definitely strongest in Journeys not counting Pikachu.

why?

Lucario has not defeated anyone, and nothing proves that Bea's Grapploct is the one that defeated Korrina, so that tie with Grapploct (Thunderbolt received from Pikachu) does not prove anything

I will do a poll

 

[Master Pikachu 11]

So far we've seen two fights in Master Class and they were 1 vs 1, so I don't see a chance for full battles

Ash vs Leon will for sure be a full battle at the very least, I don’t see there any reason for it not to be.

not to mention Dragonite joined Ash due to the admiration of Ash helping learn how to use Dragon Dance which it had a very hard time doing as a dragonair.

i do not get why every once in a while I see people wanting bad things to befall Ash's pokemon, and don't even get me started on what i've seen some people wanting to happen to Lucario...



who's to say that when Ash gets there we won't see a 6 v 6, so far it's been random how battles are determined and who's to say Leon can't request a full battle with Ash?

if Ash and Leon's final fight is not a full battle then what was the point of Ash capturing or using any other pokemon in this saga besides Pikachu anyway?

Yes Dragonite as a Dragonair is the Noibat of the series but with a better track record as both Pokémon didn’t know how to fly.

 

[Almighty Zard]

why?

Lucario has not defeated anyone, and nothing proves that Bea's Grapploct is the one that defeated Korrina, so that tie with Grapploct (Thunderbolt received from Pikachu) does not prove anything

being able to fight Bea's grapploct to a draw, considering how powerful that thing seems to be is impressive weather you like it or not.

Also, upon evolving it single handedly shot both of Chairman Rose's pokemon down with one aura sphere each

perhaps it does boil down to Lucario and Dragonite being the strongest if we're not counting Pikachu, even then i'd say it's pretty dang close between them.

 

[Ragnarok4]

being able to fight Bea's grapploct to a draw, considering how powerful that thing seems to be is impressive weather you like it or not.

I never said ''I don't like Lucario's merits'', lol

It's just that I think Sirfetch is stronger so far, Bea might look as strong as an E4 to you, but until proven otherwise, she's still a gym leader with a random Grapploct, just like Rinto's Gallade. , but the difference is that Sirfetch already defeated two traoners who are in the Superclass.

 

[AuraChannelerChris]

Also, upon evolving it single handedly shot both of Chairman Rose's pokemon down with one aura sphere each

I'm not sure if he beat those two because hype, Ash couldn't possibly lose right at the end of the arc, or Rose's Pokemon really let themselves Goh for supposedly being an endgame villain-turned-starter villain.

 

[AJ97]

I have two options

1) Ash will lose to Leon before reaching the MasterClass. Maybe there will be a mini-tournament between the best 8 and the 9-16 positions to determine the new MasterClass, and Ash will have to fight against Leon, in this way, the writers can continue with Ash in the ninth generation without being feel too strong

2) Ash will defeat Leon in the final

I think a better approach would be to have point based scoring system like they did in the Johto league. All the Master class trainers could fight each other and the trainer with the Highest and Second Highest Points, fight for the title. They could maybe have Ash fight Leon in the first round here and lose. Plus, they could have Ash battle all the regional champions in full 6v6 battles which I'm sure most people would thoroughly enjoy. Ash's Charizard vs Lance's Dragonite, Sceptile vs Steven's Metagross, Infernape vs Garchomp, Greninja vs Diantha's Mega Gardevoir (Granted, this is assuming the master class includes regional champions from the other regions).

The Finals could then be a 1v1 between Pikachu and Charizard where they could give Ash the win or at least make it a close enough battle and a narrow loss.

 

[kickachu]

No axew in images so does this mean it evolved

 

[CMButch]

why?

Lucario has not defeated anyone, and nothing proves that Bea's Grapploct is the one that defeated Korrina, so that tie with Grapploct (Thunderbolt received from Pikachu) does not prove anything

I will do a poll

He as Riolu tied with Grapploct even though Grapploct is probably still stronger but as Lucario he one shot two Rose's Pokemon that were above Riolu. So like two Grapploct.

 

[Decidueye23]

Honestly whichever the writers want to show as the strongest as whatever point is the strongest. Its happened time and again and will happen again.

Also, if not shown, then there is no reason to not mention drayden atleast. Like they did with surge in the vermillion gym.

 

[charinija]

I never said ''I don't like Lucario's merits'', lol

It's just that I think Sirfetch is stronger so far, Bea might look as strong as an E4 to you, but until proven otherwise, she's still a gym leader with a random Grapploct, just like Rinto's Gallade. , but the difference is that Sirfetch already defeated two coaches who are in the Superclass.

In Ash's current team, the strongest, not counting Pikachu, is Lucario or Dragonite.

Sirfetch is not as experienced as they are. Dragonite has beaten mega evolution.

Lucario is Ash's leading pokemon in this anime. Sirfetch is strong but I don't think he is the strongest

In fact, we cannot give an exact guess how strong which pokemon Ash is. Because we rarely watch the battle, Ash.

 

[GhostWallker98]

I am sort of getting the one-off character vibe from Iris. I think Gary will have multiple episodes. Even if there is a part 2 to this battle, I think Ash will barely win. I can imagine Iris saying "Ash, you kid, you haven't forgot about my number one partner have you?", then a flashback happens to when he remembers Axew, and then Iris throws her pokeball, revealing that it evolved into Haxorus, which leads to the end of part 1 of the battle.

 

[DuskAstral]

Lucario is Ash's leading pokemon in this anime.

I just think that Pikachu will always be Satoshi's most important Pokémon. Lucario can at best have a second important role in the squad

 

[charinija]

I just think that Pikachu will always be Satoshi's most important Pokémon. Lucario can at best have a second important role in the squad

I already said if we don't count Pikachu.

Pikachu is one of Ash's three strongest pokemon with Charizard and Greninja.

Pikachu is another level pokemon.

In Ash's current team, the strongest, not counting Pikachu, is Lucario or Dragonite

 

[AuraChannelerChris]

Lucario is Ash's leading pokemon in this anime.

Yeah, not true. We all know Pikachu ultimately is the MVP against Leon's Charizard. Plus, Lucario hasn't done anything major in...like, 16 episodes.

 

[AsH KetcHHup]

I think dragonite is clearly the strongest. Probably also why he doesn't show up. I do think Luacrio will eventually surpass dragonite when it gets more attention .

 

[Pkjoan]

I've said it before and will say it again, Ash will win against Iris but lose against Gary. Ash has barely won all the battles he had against Gary. The only one we can count was the Johto League and even then Gary's Electrivire completely destroyed Pikachu in the final Hoenn episodes. Gary will be Ash's roadblock to the Master Class.

There's also another potential plot in the episode revolving around who is Ash closest friend with Goh. Because Gary used to clearly be Ash's rival but also his childhood friend.

 

[Almighty Zard]

I've said it before and will say it again, Ash will win against Iris but lose against Gary. Ash has barely won all the battles he had against Gary. The only one we can count was the Johto League and even then Gary's Electrivire completely destroyed Pikachu in the final Hoenn episodes. Gary will be Ash's roadblock to the Master Class.

if anything i'm kind of hoping Pikachu gets redemption against Gary since of the 3 battles he and Ash have had, 2 of them were 1 v 1's where Pikachu lost, and the one time Ash beat Gary (full battle) he never used Pikachu which always felt off to me because Pikachu is Ash's starter and i feel like it should get at least one win against his first rival.

also to be fair, Ash didn't know much about Electivire at the time and that helped in his defeat.

something that could happen here with Iris if it's 2 v 2 and Dracovish is used, if she knows nothing about it, how can she battle it effectively?

if it is just 1 v 1 though i won't mind if it's between their dragonites since we've never seen the species fight each other, so hopefully it'll be a long dragged out fight with ripping and tearing of each other's flesh.

 

[AJ97]

In Ash's current team, the strongest, not counting Pikachu, is Lucario or Dragonite.

Sirfetch is not as experienced as they are. Dragonite has beaten mega evolution.

Lucario is Ash's leading pokemon in this anime. Sirfetch is strong but I don't think he is the strongest

In fact, we cannot give an exact guess how strong which pokemon Ash is. Because we rarely watch the battle, Ash.

Beating a Mega Evolution doesn't really mean much. Ash's Hawlucha defeated Astrid's Mega Absol and Astrid must've very likely battled and beaten Korrina as she was a contestant in the Kalos League.
Even if Korrina trained post League, she battled Ash when they were still in the Normal Class. Defeating Rinto brought up Ash's Rank to 184 while Korrina was in the 1000's. So you argue Rinto's Gallade must've been significantly stronger than Korrina's Mega Lucario, also considering the fact that Bea absolutely wrecked her.

From a plot perspective so far, Lucario and Sirfetch'd are very likely Ash's strongest Pokemon (Not counting inconsistent Pikachu). Then again, we don't truly know who Ash's ace is in this region. It initially seemed like they were setting up Lucario to be Ash's ace but ever since it allowed, it has taken a backsea and hasn't necessary been utilised
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I've said it before and will say it again, Ash will win against Iris but lose against Gary. Ash has barely won all the battles he had against Gary. The only one we can count was the Johto League and even then Gary's Electrivire completely destroyed Pikachu in the final Hoenn episodes. Gary will be Ash's roadblock to the Master Class.

There's also another potential plot in the episode revolving around who is Ash closest friend with Goh. Because Gary used to clearly be Ash's rival but also his childhood friend.

To be honest, this would be really underwhelming. Gary is a talented trainer no doubt and I never really considered Ash to be better than Gary despite Ash beating him in the Johto league as the battle could've honestly gone either way and Ash was the underdog during majority of the battle. And like you said, a Retired Gary effortlessly beat a post battle frontier Ash with ease. That said, making Gary the roadblock to the Master Class would be really underwhelming especially considering the fact that we have so many other powerful trainers who could be utilised. It would make more sense to include Elite four Members, such as Flint (Considering the Diamond and Pearl Remakes) etc, who would be more deserving of this spot.

If they really want to Make Gary Ash's Roadblock to the Master Class, they need to spend more time establishing Gary's level of strength. Maybe have Gary take part in a PWC tournament and defeat an Elite four Member or 2. Something like what Alain did during the Mega Evolution series.

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

I'd rather Ash lost to Iris and then beats Gary.

 

[ShadowForce720]

I'd rather Ash lost to Iris and then beats Gary.

Well if he does wind up losing to Iris, then he is probably going to want to rematch her at some point.