Morax
King of heroes
Does it need to be a part of PWC?
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May 7th: PM2019 065 - Dragon Battle! Satoshi VS Iris!!
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AsH KetcHHup
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No but the writers don't seem to like battles outside of pwc.
GarchompChain
Banned
With respect, but it doesn't really matter what 'it seems to you'. Alola simply hasn't established an Elite 4 and regional Champion yet.
It's never been stated that Ash automatically got a similar position and title as Cynthia.
CMButch
Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
Yes and Grapploct sparred with Chuck's Poliwrath and was hurt by Pikachu's Thunderbolt. I never said Riolu = Grapploct. Riolu is weaker but still pretty strong especially how Bea > Korrina. I don't think Grapploct can beat Mega Lucario but it's kinda close to him. Riolu is stronger than Korrina's Base Lucario.
As of what we have seen he obviously get stronger but we don't know much, I doubt he's on level of Dragonite let alone Lucario. Dragonite is still pseudo and Lucario is still an ace. I know Sirfetch'd got several episodes but now Sirfetch'd will fall into obscurity.
That'd be even worse since Grapploct is her ace. Imagine if Bea's 2 weaker Pokemon beat Korinna's Mega Lucario and Mienshao. So, I would say she used Grapploct and one more Pokemon.
Why not? Rose's Pokemon gave trouble to Pikachu and Riolu. Let's not use Pikachu in this. Riolu did great against Grapploct ( sure not stronger than Grapploct) but did amazing. Riolu when evolved in Lucario obviously had upperhand in that fight against Rose's Pokemon. So, Lucario is above them, so Lucario is above Grapploct. Grapploct is close to Mega Lucario.
Yeah but still it's in struggle and not struggle. Riolu struggled, while Lucario didn't.
Lucario is stronger than Mega Lucario because of that Rose fight, because both Rose's Pokemon are around Grapploct level maybe even stronger.
That was training which is not real fight we have seen Poliwrath did same with Grapploct yet Grapploct is obviously stronger.
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AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Not that his achievements have stopped Misty from teasing him about the pity badges he got from her and Brock.
DuskAstral
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In my opinion, Iris has a good chance of winning. Her Dragonite should be stronger than Satoshi's, as he has been with her longer (so it's possible he has developed a lot since then). And assuming the battle will be 2v2, I don't believe an untrained Dracovish will be able to defeat the potential Haxorus Iris.
Mythical-Moonlight
I just ran, I ran all Night and Day ~
Oh God. Imagine if Iris and Misty were to meet....
Ash would never hear the end of it
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
We all know its horrible track record and how the extra training didn't help Korrina and her Mega Jackal win against his fresh-out-of-the-non-Mega Evolution-oven dragon.
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ShadowForce720
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There is no way of knowing how strong Dracovish currently is and how strong it was when it’s was first revived. The only thing we know about it was that it was able to tear through Pikachu’s Electro Web pretty easily.
Also there is no reason to think that Ash hasn’t trained Dracovish as it’s already been established that Ash does train his Pokémon even though we don’t always see the training.
Just because we haven’t seen Dracovish’s training on screen doesn’t mean it’s untrained or weak.
Plus there is also the factor that Iris may have never heard of Dracovish before and would be unsure of how it fights.
So it is possible and realistic that Dracovish potentially beat Iris’s potential Haxorus and that Ash’s Dragonite could potentially beat Iris’s Dragonite.
You keep saying that Iris’s Dragonite should be stronger then Ash’s since it has been with her longer, however there are more factors that go into deciding who winds up winning a battle other then just strength and experience.
So while it is possible that Iris could wind, at the same time Ash’s Dragonite and Dracovish should not be underestimated.
dman_dustin
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Hey I just remembered. Tomioka kept his word. Remember Ash training Riolu and he said next would be Farfetch'd and Dragonite after Bea the next big PWCs were Farfetch'd and now Dragonite.
Stil could've been a coincidence, though.
1. We know Ash trains his Pokemon, Dragonite was sparring with Lucario, so its likely they are all of relative strength even Gengar was doing decent against Pikachu.
2. Iris is garbage at training her Pokemon compared to Ash since Iris prefers to do things at a slow pace or as she puts it "My Pokemon, I'll train them how and when I please" compared to Ash's "Gotta Train To Get Stronger"
3. There's literally no way to know if the Dragonite are built the same. Ash's Dragonite might just be built for battling whereas Iris's Dragonite might not hence the angry attitude to compensate. In other words Ash's Dragonite might benefit more from training/battling than Iris's who may take longer more effort.
4. Skill of trainer must be taken into account and even if Iris has stronger Pokemon, Ash has consistently shown he's a better trainer. Ash could win simply by being the better trainer over Iris having the stronger Pokemon.
Stil could've been a coincidence, though.
1. We know Ash trains his Pokemon, Dragonite was sparring with Lucario, so its likely they are all of relative strength even Gengar was doing decent against Pikachu.
2. Iris is garbage at training her Pokemon compared to Ash since Iris prefers to do things at a slow pace or as she puts it "My Pokemon, I'll train them how and when I please" compared to Ash's "Gotta Train To Get Stronger"
3. There's literally no way to know if the Dragonite are built the same. Ash's Dragonite might just be built for battling whereas Iris's Dragonite might not hence the angry attitude to compensate. In other words Ash's Dragonite might benefit more from training/battling than Iris's who may take longer more effort.
4. Skill of trainer must be taken into account and even if Iris has stronger Pokemon, Ash has consistently shown he's a better trainer. Ash could win simply by being the better trainer over Iris having the stronger Pokemon.
Pokegirl Fan~
Liko>>>>>Ash
I would love it if Ash lost to her and have to rematch against her in the ultra or master class instead.
DragonKahuna
Dragon Master
Same. I would love it if Iris defeats Ash here and maybe later, they hold a tournament for the top 16/32 trainers of the Hyper Class , where Iris and Ash can have a full battle rematch. (and maybe the winner of this tournament gets to battle the Master #8 for a place in the Master Class).
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janejane6178
Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
Iris is pretty but it could be nice to see her with a new hair style
Jangobadass
Fear the Chicken!
Heck, I actually like her Champion look better.
Unfortunately, her BW design is too iconic...
(like how Brock & Misty appeared in their OS looks instead of something more recent)
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Now the question is if Iris became a Gym Leader and shifted the universe to favor Pokemon White.
Morax
King of heroes
Now add serena into the mix
Iris&Misty : ehhhhh? You like Satoshi? What do you see in that retard?
Serena : T////T
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Morax
King of heroes
ZA WARUDO
MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA
WRRYYYYYYYYY
TOKI WA UGOKIDASU
*misty and iris lying dead*
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