Mewtwo's Birthday

[Auraninja]

February 6: Mew gave birth. We named the newborn Mewtwo.

First of all, I would like to thank Latios for marking Mewtwo's birthday on the calendar. According to FR/LG, it is Mewtwo's birthday today.

This is a thread that is suppose to be here for the day and perhaps tomorrow. You can wish the big genetic Pokemon a happy birthday, or talk about him, preferably positive things.

Mewtwo is one of my favorite Pokemon. I like the Psychic genetic cat. I also wish him a happy day of birth.

 

[Ethereal]

This is like wishing Michael Jackson happy birthday. How can something that doesn't exist have a birthday?

So this won't be TOTAL SPAM...eh....I got nothing. D:

Sorry 'bout this post. I just had nothing else to say other than that. >_>

 

[Cipher]

Um...Yay? I'd like to fictionally wish this fictional monster a fictionally happy fictional birthday in the fictional world in which he fictionally lives.

 

[0X-HUNTAIL-X0]

cool mewtwo is older today i'd ask how old but it's rude to ask a genetically enginered super psychic cat it's age
-;367;

 

[MondoTR]

Mewtwo's a clone created by humans so Mew didn't exactly give birth to it but I get what you mean.

I would consider this spam except in some place in Cinnibar they have all those semi-burnt papers with dates, right? I'm guessing that's where the bday came from and if so I suppose this thread's valid.

So happy birthday, Mewtwo! LOL ^_^

 

[Cipher]

Mewtwo's a clone created by humans so Mew didn't exactly give birth to it but I get what you mean.

Actually, the Cinnibar papers specifically say "Mew gave birth today." Yet Mewtwo's Pokedex entry mentions it being the product of genetic experimentation, coniciding with the anime. Yet we know there are large discrepencies here already. In the anime, they found a fossilized hair of Mew, and experiments funded by Giovanni produced Mewtwo. In the games, we know that recearchers including Blaine and Fuji (suggested in FR/LG) actually found and captured a Mew in Brazil.

Now, the "birth" bit could be bad translation, no longer apply as an explanation as it was first introduced in Red/Green, or still hold true. It most likely is still the true explanation for the game origin of Mewtwo, as it remained in FireRed and LeafGreen. This would also mean that one would have to accept the fact that Brazil does exist in the Pokemon world, and that the Pokemon world is most likely just an alternate future of Japan (as indicated by the shape of the regions), and other countries with and without Pokemon still exist elsewhere, but this is a different topic.

So Mew gave birth but Mewtwo was a genetic experiment? What does this all mean? It's simple. Mewtwo was created in the same way that real life clones are created today. Tampering with the embryo. Despite the fact that Mew has no gender in the games, the Brazilian Mew mentioned must have been a female. There are a few possibilities from this point onward:

1) Extracting an actual embryo from Mew during the menstrual cycle, experimenting on the embryo, fertalizing it, then putting it back into Mew for an eventual birth. This is how real cloning is conducted. This arises a few questions. Pokemon lay eggs, don't they? As far as we know. Yet we never see legendaries reproduce in the games. And Mew isn't supposed to be able to breed at all, so keep your minds open. The possibility still stands.

2) The had Mew actually lay an egg (using god-knows-what to fertalize it), then tampered with the egg itself before it hatched. The problem here is that this would not make it news when eggs were first discovered over three years later by Mr. Pokemon (G/S/C), although new evidence in FR and LG indicate that eggs were infact discovered in the Sevii Islands slightly prior to this, it is still long after the "birth" of Mewtwo. Also, the word "birth" is usually not used to describe laying an egg, but rather a direct birth, a la mammals.

I think it's safe to assume that the mystery of Mewtwo's creation was simply never ment to be scrutinized this deeply. Indeed, the Cinnibar papers leave more questions that answers, about Mewtwo and the vague Pokemon world in general. It's much easier to simply accept the anime's origin story, whether or not it was meant to apply to the games.

There remain many questions about Mewtwo, including the rest of its life. It obviously killed the researchers in the mansion and burned it to the ground. Yet how did Fuji and Blaine escape? And how did Mewtwo ever get put inside Cerulean Cave? Who knew about it with the ability to lock it away?

Regardless, happy big 10, Mewtwo. Double digits!

 

[Cloud Strife]

One of my favorite Pokemon (Squirtle and Blastoise as well) I love Mewtwo, the best ever. Long live the Psychic Cat.

 

[MidnightScott]

Ash mentioned Minnesota in the movie even though it was a pun on the Vikings xD

~Scott;229;

 

[Psychic]

Wow, random thread.

Anyway, there are just multiple versions of Mewtwo's birth. Game,
movie/Animé and Manga. That's just how it is.

But happy birthday, Mewtwo! *hugs*
Days like this, in threads like this, I'm sooo happy Mewtwo's my bishie. Tonight, we're gonna have some fun. My little present to one of the coolest Pokémon on the planet. *ugs tightly*

I LOVE YOU, MEWTWO!


~Psychic

 

[Tygore]

"Bishie" is short for bishounen, which is in short a specifically male term. Psychic,
read Cipher's post. Carefully. Read between the lines.

Mewtwo is female. Since the Mew from Brazil had to be female in order to give birth, it's clone would have to be female as well.

 

[MondoTR]

Actually, the Cinnibar papers specifically say "Mew gave birth today."

Ah, alright. It's been a while since I've played any of the games and I don't always read those papers so I was just going by memory from a few years ago, LOL. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Nevetszero]

in the movie how would they have cloned all those pokemon in the movie if it was fertilizing their eggs?, they just got their dna extracted ie. hair or just scanned in pokeballs and then they were copied. mewtwo is probably meant to be a guy and mew a girl despite the other factors. i would think of them as brother and sister, mewtwo's got a guys voice and has a blue aura around him in the movie where as mew has a pink aura and makes squeeky sounds.
besides that i dont really care that much. happy birthday mewtwo!

 

[Volteon]

little late, but Happy B-day, Dolly pokémon, mewtwo!

 

[Tygore]

in the movie how would they have cloned all those pokemon in the movie if it was fertilizing their eggs?

Cloning does not work that way. You HAVE to fertilize eggs. Since the in-game logs refer to Mew giving birth, it is safe to conclude that the people writing for the game knew more about how cloning works than the people writing for the movie.

Incidentally, Jurassic Park also got it wrong. Sorry if that crushes anyone's dreams.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning#Dolly_The_Sheep

Read that. Notice how Dolly was created. Cloning requires a surrogate mother, and the Mew that gave birth to Mewtwo had to be the same one whose DNA was manipulated for the cloning.

I'm personally wondering what happened to the Mew. I assume that it died giving birth, since Mewtwo is so much larger than Mew.

 

[Psychic]

"Bishie" is short for bishounen, which is in short a specifically male term. Psychic,

Yes, I'm fully aware of that, and I'm sure that all the other members who own FEMALE CHARACTERS know it as well. To make it fair, Ookami let us claim any character we want, male or female. Either way, it's really just 'claiming' the character as your own, not actually being a real life bishouen or anything.

Mewtwo is female. Since the Mew from Brazil had to be female in order to give birth, it's clone would have to be female as well.

You can't say Mewtwo is a female, or that even Mew is a female for sure. Granted, it says that Mew gave birth, but we're told from every available source that all Legendaries -Mew and Mewtwo included- are genderless.
And if Mew actually gave birth by natural means, ignoring the genderless rule, Mewtwo could be either male or female.
Also, I don't know about you, but in the movies, Mewtwo came across as being male, if anything. A male was (if I'm not mistaken) casted to be Mewtwo's voice actor and I never once remember Mewtwo being referred to as a female (but I don't know if it was the other way around, either-don't remember).

In any case, there are three stories of Mewtwo; the game version, movie version and Manga version. In the game, Mew gave birth through natural means- she was pregnant when caught by Team Rocket. In the movie, Rocket found the DNA and made Mewtwo only from this DNA- no organic base. And I believe that in the Manga, Blaine's DNA was used to combine with Mew's DNA to create Mewtwo (again, I may be mistaken).

I'm personally wondering what happened to the Mew. I assume that it died giving birth, since Mewtwo is so much larger than Mew.

Again, that's only from the game story. In the movie, Mew wouldn't have died because she wasn't involved in the actual creation of Mewtwo.
I think a document with a later date in the Cinnabar Mansion spoke of what happened to Mew. But it never really mentioned Mew again, and you can't catch it or anything (without the cheat) so whatever happened is not known.

Incidentally, Jurassic Park also got it wrong. Sorry if that crushes anyone's dreams.

And everyone knows that all the 'science' in movies like Jurrasic Park andTthe Day After Tomorrow is all fake and made up.
And yes, I'm sure it crushed the dreams of millions of children who hoped to create dinosaur-inhabited islands. I don't think many people believe what happened in such a movie such as that.





In any case, whatever Mewtwo's gender is, I don't give a damn. I still love him, but if he were a female, I would become a lesbian for him/her.

Would you people believe this? Funny how such an argument came out of me saying that I'd give Mewtwo a very nice birthday present. Hoestly, what if I was a lesbian? Tygore wouldn't have much to say about that! XD


~Psychic

 

[Volteon]

Mewtwo is female. Since the Mew from Brazil had to be female in order to give birth, it's clone would have to be female as well.

Mew is from Brazil ? (!)
there isn´t Brazil in pokémon world.

 

[Tygore]

Mew is from Brazil ? (!)
there isn´t Brazil in pokémon world.

Technically it was South America, now that I think of it. Which is what the journals say. I just assumed Brazil, since that's what makes up most of South America anyway.

To Psychic:
First of all, let me say that I am only referring to the Game Mewtwo when I say she is female. As I said, the anime one is indeterminate due to the writers not knowing how cloning works, and the manga one could be either since it contains some of Blaine's DNA. This topic is based off the journals of Cinnabar anyway, so whatever storyline incorporates that Legendaries appear genderless for reasons I still cannot figure out. If Mew really was genderless, then it would not be capable of "giving birth", it would reproduce asexually. Long story short, that doesn't work. All complex beings reproduce sexually, with the exception of a certain species of bee.

In the end, however, it all comes down to cloning. For Mewtwo to be cloned from enhanced Mew DNA, a Mew female reproductive system must be present. Since the scientists only had one Mew avaliable, so logically Mewtwo would have to be female as well. Please note that by female, I mean carrying the equivalent of an XX chromosome: it is possible that Mewtwo's reproductive system was damaged due to the tampering to her DNA, rendering sexual characteristics/organs as unrecognizable.

My comment on Jurassic Park not being scientifically accurate crushing people's dreams was a joke, I hope.

I actually wasn't trying to cause quite so much controversy, merely poking fun at Mewtwo claimed as your "bishie". In any case, this applies to the game Mewtwo, whom I reference because this birthday is in reference to the Cinnibar Island journals. I agree that Mewtwo is awesome, and that's regardless of gender. And your sexual orientation is your own business, not mine.

 

[Chilled2m7]

I'm personally wondering what happened to the Mew. I assume that it died giving birth, since Mewtwo is so much larger than Mew.

Hhahah.. Yeah, best not to think about that....
Anyhow, a bit late, but Happy birthday Mewtwo!

 

[Cipher]

Clearing up the arguments about game Mewtwo:

GENDER:

The problem with the "game Mewtwo is female" logic, is that it is never specifically said in the games that Mewtwo was a direct clone of Mew. Merely its genetically engineered off-spring.

If Mewtwo in the games was cloned a la Dolly the sheep, then Mewtwo would have to be female, yes. However, if we go by the second suggestion in my post, then the game Mewtwo could be either gender. This being if they tampered with its egg, or took, and tampered with, a normal embryo. Nowhere in the games does it say Mewtwo is a clone of Mew. It merely says that Mew gave birth, and that Mewtwo is a product of genetic experimentation. They weren't necessarily trying to create another exact copy of Mew, like Dolly the sheep. They could've taken any old embryo, of any gender, tampered with it, then put it back in Mew for birth. Dolly had to be female because it was a direct copy of its mother. A Y chromosone could've been taken from any compatible Pokemon to fertalize the embryo. We know that in the Pokemon world two different species can indeed mate and produce eggs. The gender of game Mewto remains ambiguous. If anything, the anime Mewtwo is more likely to be female since it took DNA directly from the fossil of Mew's hair. Yet its voice was masculine.

In the game, Mew gave birth through natural means- she was pregnant when caught by Team Rocket.

It was never implied in the games that Team Rocket had anything to do witht the Mewtwo project. The only suggested researchers were Blaine and Fuji.

I'm personally wondering what happened to the Mew. I assume that it died giving birth, since Mewtwo is so much larger than Mew.

Perhaps, and this may sound bold, Mewtwo has grown since birth? We don't know what a baby Mewtwo looks like, since Mew is unbreedable in the games. There is no mention of Mew's fate after Mewtwo arrives in the Cinnibar papers. All we know is that the lab/mantion where it was born was subsequently destroyed. Could Mew have flown off towards World's Edge Island?

 

[OgLoc187]

Happy birthday Mewtwo and all the other peoples birthday today.