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Middle Cup

R4GEKILL!!!

Me So Thorny
Tomorrow I'll be on PO under the name middle cup. (PO server)
 

Soperman

The One and Only
MC sounds like a great idea, but no one will actually know it exists unless they read this thread...
 

windsong

WEST SIDE
Honest question, what breaks Chansey/Dusclops/Rhydon/Roselia. It seems like a simple core of something like that with maybe something to deal with Bulk Up Gurdurr and other fighting types (like Golbat) is impossible to break.
 

Cometk

west side
Honest question, what breaks Chansey/Dusclops/Rhydon/Roselia. It seems like a simple core of something like that with maybe something to deal with Bulk Up Gurdurr and other fighting types (like Golbat) is impossible to break.

i was thinking about that last night, and it looks like an unstoppable stall core for something like middle cup.

edit: NIGHT SHADE from dusclops or haunter or whatever 2hkos the metagame.
 

R4GEKILL!!!

Me So Thorny
i was thinking about that last night, and it looks like an unstoppable stall core for something like middle cup.

Stall is nice and all in MC, but I predcted something like that.
Knock Off ruins almost every poke in MC,
A Choice-Trick Haunter can also ruin walls.
Togetic (As the only baton passer) Can nasty pass to something like kadabra or electabuzz, the 2 fastest pokes in the meta...
If you're not retarded, standard cores are easy to break.
 

Cometk

west side
Stall is nice and all in MC, but I predcted something like that.
Knock Off ruins almost every poke in MC,
A Choice-Trick Haunter can also ruin walls.
Togetic (As the only baton passer) Can nasty pass to something like kadabra or electabuzz, the 2 fastest pokes in the meta...
If you're not retarded, standard cores are easy to break.

trick haunter only works once though

taunt wow knock off shadow ball might work better however
 

Vandslaux

Well-Known Member
i was thinking about that last night, and it looks like an unstoppable stall core for something like middle cup.

edit: NIGHT SHADE from dusclops or haunter or whatever 2hkos the metagame.

More like 3HKO. Dusclops spams it anyway, and Haunter's way too frail to use it. (He won't survive anything with 45/45/55 defenses.)
 

Cometk

west side
More like 3HKO. Dusclops spams it anyway, and Haunter's way too frail to use it. (He won't survive anything with 45/45/55 defenses.)

forgot everything was level 50, derp. don't forget eviolite though, with some investment haunter can still have a good amount of bulk. pair it with a wish passer in chansey or shelgon and you're set.
 

Vandslaux

Well-Known Member
Eviolite means no LO, what Haunter desperately to follow in the scary threat footsteps of Gengar. And that's like giving something with Pikachu defenses an Eviolite.

Oh, and Eviolite Ferroseed is boss.
 

Cometk

west side
Eviolite means no LO, what Haunter desperately to follow in the scary threat footsteps of Gengar. And that's like giving something with Pikachu defenses an Eviolite.

Oh, and Eviolite Ferroseed is boss.

no refute for that :<

ferroseed has no prior evo so it's not in middle cup

yeah we're both p dumb
 

windsong

WEST SIDE
Stall is nice and all in MC, but I predcted something like that.
Knock Off ruins almost every poke in MC,
A Choice-Trick Haunter can also ruin walls.
Togetic (As the only baton passer) Can nasty pass to something like kadabra or electabuzz, the 2 fastest pokes in the meta...
If you're not retarded, standard cores are easy to break.

Knock Off is probably pretty standard in MC.

And honestly, Chansey/Dusclops/Spikers doesn't look like it's that easily broken. If you're running a bunch of defensive mons with Knock Off, then they can use them as free setup for their Spiker then just phase it out and let it die to hazards after a while or something. So long as they don't let more than one Poke get its eviolite knocked off, it would be ridiculously hard to break.
 

Vandslaux

Well-Known Member
What mid evos are in OU? Porygon2 and Dusclops?
 

windsong

WEST SIDE
OK Eviolite is downright ridiculous in this tier. Anyways, this is a battle me and comet played, I'm betterthanfolg and he's Serenade of Colors.

Battle between betterthanfolg and Serenade of Colors started!

Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle
Rule: Self-KO Clause

Serenade of Colors: chans clops golbat rhydon roselia wartortle
betterthanfolg: ROSE SHELLGON GOLBAT METAGROSS PREVO HAUNTER GURRDURR
Serenade of Colors sent out Metang!
betterthanfolg sent out Golbat!

Start of turn 1
Golbat used Taunt!
The foe's Metang fell for the taunt!

The foe's Metang can't use Trick after the taunt!

betterthanfolg: let us get it
Serenade of Colors: darn
Serenade of Colors: felt that comin

Start of turn 2
Golbat used Toxic!
But it failed!

The foe's Metang used Meteor Mash!
A critical hit!
Golbat lost 94 HP! (51% of its health)

betterthanfolg: oh
betterthanfolg: i'm dumb
betterthanfolg: but w/e

Start of turn 3
Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

The foe's Metang used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
Golbat lost 72 HP! (39% of its health)

The foe's Metang's taunt ended!

Start of turn 4
Golbat used Taunt!
The foe's Metang fell for the taunt!

The foe's Metang can't use Stealth Rock after the taunt!

betterthanfolg: weak

Start of turn 5
Serenade of Colors called Metang back!
Serenade of Colors sent out Haunter!

Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

Start of turn 6
The foe's Haunter used Substitute!
The foe's Haunter made a substitute!

Golbat used Brave Bird!
The foe's Haunter's substitute faded!
Golbat is hit with recoil!

Start of turn 7
The foe's Haunter used Substitute!
The foe's Haunter made a substitute!

Golbat used Brave Bird!
The foe's Haunter's substitute faded!
Golbat is hit with recoil!

Start of turn 8
The foe's Haunter used Thunderbolt!
It's super effective!
Golbat lost 126 HP! (69% of its health)
The foe's Haunter is hurt by its Life Orb!

Golbat used Brave Bird!
Serenade of Colors: ugh
The foe's Haunter lost 40% of its health!
The foe's Haunter fainted!
Golbat is hit with recoil!

Serenade of Colors sent out Golbat!

Start of turn 9
betterthanfolg called Golbat back!
betterthanfolg sent out Rhydon!

The foe's Golbat used Brave Bird!
It's not very effective...
Rhydon lost 18 HP! (8% of its health)
The foe's Golbat is hit with recoil!

Start of turn 10
Serenade of Colors called Golbat back!
Serenade of Colors sent out Gurdurr! (Dotekkotsu)

Rhydon used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Serenade of Colors's team!

Start of turn 11
The foe's Gurdurr used Stone Edge!
The attack of the foe's Gurdurr missed!

Rhydon used Roar!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Golbat!
The foe's Golbat was dragged out!

Start of turn 12
The foe's Golbat used Toxic!
Rhydon was poisoned!

Rhydon used Rock Slide!
It's super effective!
The foe's Golbat lost 37% of its health!

Rhydon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 13
The foe's Golbat used Taunt!
Rhydon fell for the taunt!

Rhydon used Earthquake!
It had no effect!

Rhydon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 14
The foe's Golbat used Toxic!
Rhydon is already poisoned.

Rhydon used Earthquake!
It had no effect!

Rhydon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 15
The foe's Golbat used Roost!
The foe's Golbat landed on the ground!
The foe's Golbat regained health!

Rhydon used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
The foe's Golbat lost 50% of its health!

Rhydon is hurt by poison!
Rhydon's taunt ended!

Start of turn 16
betterthanfolg called Rhydon back!
betterthanfolg sent out Wartortle!

The foe's Golbat used Roost!
The foe's Golbat landed on the ground!
The foe's Golbat regained health!

Start of turn 17
The foe's Golbat used Taunt!
Wartortle fell for the taunt!

Wartortle used Boil Over!
The foe's Golbat lost 18% of its health!
The foe's Golbat was burned!

The foe's Golbat is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 18
The foe's Golbat used Toxic!
Wartortle was poisoned!

Wartortle used Boil Over!
The foe's Golbat lost 18% of its health!

The foe's Golbat is hurt by its burn!
Wartortle is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 19
betterthanfolg called Wartortle back!
betterthanfolg sent out Golbat!

The foe's Golbat used Roost!
The foe's Golbat landed on the ground!
The foe's Golbat regained health!

The foe's Golbat is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 20
Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

The foe's Golbat used Brave Bird!
Golbat lost 27 HP! (14% of its health)
The foe's Golbat is hit with recoil!

The foe's Golbat is hurt by its burn!
Serenade of Colors: darn
Serenade of Colors: how much spe you run
Serenade of Colors: i only have 8 evs
betterthanfolg: max
Serenade of Colors: oh
Fortuna is watching the battle.
Serenade of Colors: well ****
Fortuna stopped watching the battle.

Start of turn 21
Serenade of Colors called Golbat back!
Serenade of Colors sent out Metang!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Metang!

Golbat used Taunt!
The foe's Metang fell for the taunt!

Start of turn 22
Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

The foe's Metang used Meteor Mash!
Golbat lost 54 HP! (29% of its health)

Serenade of Colors: attack raise go

Start of turn 23
betterthanfolg called Golbat back!
betterthanfolg sent out Dusclops!

Dusclops is exerting its Pressure!
The foe's Metang used Meteor Mash!
Dusclops lost 22 HP! (14% of its health)
The foe's Metang's Attack rose!

Start of turn 24
The foe's Metang used Meteor Mash!
Dusclops lost 33 HP! (22% of its health)

Dusclops used Will-O-Wisp!
The foe's Metang was burned!

The foe's Metang is hurt by its burn!
The foe's Metang's taunt ended!

Start of turn 25
The foe's Metang used Trick!
The foe's Metang switched items with Dusclops!
The foe's Metang obtained one Evolution Stone!
Dusclops obtained one Toxic Orb!

Dusclops used Taunt!
The foe's Metang fell for the taunt!

The foe's Metang is hurt by its burn!
Dusclops's Toxic Orb activated!
Dusclops was poisoned!
Serenade of Colors: EXCELLENT

Start of turn 26
The foe's Metang used Meteor Mash!
Dusclops lost 28 HP! (19% of its health)

Dusclops used Night Shade!
The foe's Metang lost 29% of its health!

The foe's Metang is hurt by its burn!
Dusclops is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 27
betterthanfolg called Dusclops back!
betterthanfolg sent out Wartortle!

The foe's Metang used Meteor Mash!
It's not very effective...
Wartortle lost 12 HP! (7% of its health)
The foe's Metang's Attack rose!

Wartortle is hurt by poison!
The foe's Metang is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 28
Wartortle used Boil Over!
The foe's Metang lost 13% of its health!

The foe's Metang used Earthquake!
Wartortle lost 22 HP! (13% of its health)

Wartortle is hurt by poison!
The foe's Metang is hurt by its burn!
The foe's Metang fainted!
Serenade of Colors sent out Golbat!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Golbat!

Start of turn 29
betterthanfolg called Wartortle back!
betterthanfolg sent out Golbat!

The foe's Golbat used Taunt!
Golbat fell for the taunt!

The foe's Golbat is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 30
Golbat used Brave Bird!
A critical hit!
The foe's Golbat lost 8% of its health!
The foe's Golbat fainted!
Golbat is hit with recoil!

Serenade of Colors sent out Shelgon!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Shelgon!

Start of turn 31
betterthanfolg called Golbat back!
betterthanfolg sent out Rhydon!

The foe's Shelgon used Wish!

Rhydon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 32
The foe's Shelgon used Protect!
The foe's Shelgon protected itself!

Rhydon used Roar!
The foe's Shelgon protected itself!

Shelgon's wish came true!
Rhydon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 33
betterthanfolg called Rhydon back!
betterthanfolg sent out Chansey!

The foe's Shelgon used Dragon Claw!
Chansey lost 64 HP! (17% of its health)

Start of turn 34
Serenade of Colors called Shelgon back!
Serenade of Colors sent out Roselia!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Roselia!

Chansey used Heal Bell!
A bell chimed!

Start of turn 35
The foe's Roselia used Sleep Powder!
Chansey fell asleep!

Chansey is fast asleep!

Start of turn 36
The foe's Roselia used Sleep Powder!
Chansey is already asleep.

Chansey is fast asleep!

Start of turn 37
betterthanfolg called Chansey back!
betterthanfolg sent out Roselia!

The foe's Roselia used Sleep Powder!
Roselia fell asleep!

Start of turn 38
The foe's Roselia used Toxic Spikes!
Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of betterthanfolg's team!

Roselia is fast asleep!

Start of turn 39
Serenade of Colors called Roselia back!
Serenade of Colors sent out Gurdurr! (Dotekkotsu)
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gurdurr!

betterthanfolg called Roselia back!
betterthanfolg sent out Golbat!

Start of turn 40
Serenade of Colors called Gurdurr back!
Serenade of Colors sent out Shelgon!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Shelgon!

Golbat used Brave Bird!
The foe's Shelgon lost 25% of its health!
Golbat is hit with recoil!

Start of turn 41
Golbat used Toxic!
The foe's Shelgon was poisoned!

The foe's Shelgon used Wish!

The foe's Shelgon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 42
Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

The foe's Shelgon used Dragon Claw!
Golbat lost 45 HP! (24% of its health)

Shelgon's wish came true!
The foe's Shelgon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 43
Golbat used Taunt!
The foe's Shelgon fell for the taunt!

The foe's Shelgon used Dragon Claw!
Golbat lost 40 HP! (21% of its health)

The foe's Shelgon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 44
Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

The foe's Shelgon used Dragon Claw!
Golbat lost 43 HP! (23% of its health)

The foe's Shelgon is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 45
Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

The foe's Shelgon used Dragon Claw!
Golbat lost 40 HP! (21% of its health)

The foe's Shelgon is hurt by poison!
The foe's Shelgon's taunt ended!

Start of turn 46
Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

The foe's Shelgon used Dragon Claw!
Golbat lost 42 HP! (23% of its health)

The foe's Shelgon is hurt by poison!
The foe's Shelgon fainted!
Serenade of Colors sent out Gurdurr! (Dotekkotsu)
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gurdurr!

Start of turn 47
Golbat used Brave Bird!
It's super effective!
The foe's Gurdurr lost 46% of its health!
Golbat is hit with recoil!

The foe's Gurdurr used Stone Edge!
It's super effective!
Serenade of Love is watching the battle.
Golbat lost 86 HP! (47% of its health)

Serenade of Colors: goddamn
Serenade of Love: ;D
Serenade of Colors: das som bulk

Start of turn 48
Golbat used Taunt!
The foe's Gurdurr fell for the taunt!

The foe's Gurdurr can't use Bulk Up after the taunt!

betterthanfolg: this thing is ridiculous
Serenade of Colors: ur a nig
Serenade of Love: no you

Start of turn 49
Golbat used Roost!
Golbat landed on the ground!
Golbat regained health!

The foe's Gurdurr used Stone Edge!
Golbat lost 41 HP! (22% of its health)

Start of turn 50
Golbat used Brave Bird!
It's super effective!
The foe's Gurdurr lost 40% of its health!
The foe's Gurdurr fainted!
Golbat is hit with recoil!

Serenade of Colors sent out Roselia!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Roselia!

Serenade of Colors: 6-0'd
Serenade of Love: rapeee
Serenade of Colors: i need electabuzz
Serenade of Love: by brave bird
Serenade of Love: D:
Serenade of Colors: mix electabuzz
Serenade of Love: my turn to rapeyou
Serenade of Love: D:
Serenade of Colors: sub cross chop thunderbolt
Serenade of Colors: something else
betterthanfolg: tbh i thought you had me for a while comet
Serenade of Colors: naw
betterthanfolg: ya
Serenade of Colors: golbat is just ridiculous
betterthanfolg: if that was dd shelgon
betterthanfolg: ida been ****ed prolly

Start of turn 51
Golbat used Brave Bird!
It's super effective!

(also, just for the record, Golbat's defenses are UNINVESTED -- I only run 252 HP). This should show that offense is borderline impossible to play in this tier with Eviolite available.

edit: and we played again and i still managed another 6 - 0 with stall, despite him switching his team up and using some arguably the tier's best stallbreaker, EBuzz. Seriously we either need to ban Chansey/Dusclops or ban Eviolite, preferably the latter.
 

R4GEKILL!!!

Me So Thorny
Hmm... Banning Evolite?? I thought of it too... Actually, Maybe forcing an item clause would be much more efficient. Or only 2 evolites on 1 team. Because It's true, It's insanely hard to play offense with Evolite in MC.
 

complete legitimacy

pack that fudge
Ban Eviolite instead of broken walls, Eviolite makes it so you have OU defenses defending against RU offense, which makes stall ridiculously broken.
 

homestarhydon

Battle Fanatic
I say banning eviolite would be a good idea. It's bad enough in little cup, but at least in little cup it has to compete with oran berry and friends. In MC, you could just slap an eviolite on anything and make it an instant tank/wall. Say bye-bye to eviolite
 
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