Might want to re-aim those ban sticks guys.

[Vent's Theme]

I've been at these forums far longer than the join date on this account suggests, longer even than some of the current staff, and, I've noticed a slow decline in the quality of the members at this forum, and, from what I've seen, the staff aren't entirely guilt free in the matter:

The trend seems to be that the people who actually contribute to the community, people like; [and these are just the first two names which spring to mind] Fighting Master and Phantom Bugsy get banned, while even the most obvious of trolls such as HaHa CHICKEN and pokemaster95 [just look at the anime spoilers forum, he's posted the same crap in every single thread in the past five seconds or so, tell me that, that isn't spam] are allowed to post whatever mindless drivel bubbles forth from the spacious cavity within their skulls.

I’m not asking you to devote every waking second to the forums, so don’t try and shoot me down with a trite ‘we have lives but you obviously don’t’ line, [on which note, if modding the forums is such a struggle, appoint more mods, there are numerous fairly obvious candidates] but, what would be nice would be for some of you to be a little more harsh in your enforcement of the rules; ban the people who blatantly haven’t read the rules, ban the people who are constantly breaking them and ban the people who fill the forums with the crap that they do. [And, currently, you’re obviously not doing that, because I see the same people breaking the same rules over and over and over again. Reporting them is futile, because obviously nothing is done about it.] Moreover, stop banning members who's posts are enjoyable to read, who's posts are intelligent, amusing and informative lest you wither the slim crop of such members which remains.

You might find that your work load drops significantly, and that, heaven forefend, you actually enjoy visiting the forums. [Which, judging by the temperament of most Mods, very few of you do.]

 

[Meganium Ex]

this is going to close fast.

Way to contribute to the spam there

Anyway, I agree, I have grown a little disapointment in the staff, some might even consider them horrible modes or plain lazy (not that I agree on those two things though). At least some try to keep balance, but the forums are really falling apart. The spam people contribute don't help either

 

[Vent's Theme]

this is going to close fast.

You illustrate my point with far more eloquence than I could ever hope to achieve.

 

[RandomCharizard]

Reporting those stupid posts helps. The report button DOES work. Everyone contributes to the forums just by posting.

Also,When someone who contributes is banned, what they contribute is against the rules. Could you please find some common sense before posting a thread like this?

 

[Serebii]

We cannot be everywhere. Even if they contribute, they did break the rules and thats why we banned them.

 

[Meganium Ex]

Reporting those stupid posts helps. The report button DOES work. Everyone contributes to the forums just by posting.

Also,When someone who contributes is banned, what they contribute is against the rules. Could you please find some common sense before posting a thread like this?

And can you tell me how exactly much the mods check their e-mail? Barely ever

And what if someone contributes help to the forums, but then just does one bad thing and is banned?

We cannot be everywhere. Even if they contribute, they did break the rules and thats why we banned them.

I'm not blaming you for not checking every thread, but at least ban bad members on sight instead of giving them chances when they're obviously spamming on purpose, and spare the member that actually help the forums, and not ban them due to personal dislike (Josh, for example)

 

[Savage X]

If you can't be everywhere get rid of some staff and get new active staff?


Not that I care... but I'm just saying if you get the right staff all spread out you can be everywhere.

 

[Shining Mew]

We cannot be everywhere.

Quoted for truth. Ill refer back to your examples. I personally see nothing wrong with PB's ban, because shes had it coming for awhile according to her posts that were reported and the things she was warned for. Perhaps you are biased toward her, perhaps not.. but honestly, look at some of those posts, and tell me theyre not flames/fire feeding and whatnot. And then you complained about spammer in anime... well I for one dont go in that forum. I dont frequent every single forum, and anime is not included in my "modding rounds." And since no one has reported the spammy posts to me, the only person to blame for them not being banned is you, the members who see this crap and do nothing. You whine and whine and whine when you couldve easily reported the spammer so the mods know about it and it wouldve been taken care of. We cant be everywhere.


edit: to member who says mods dont read "emails" ... we do, we just dont always reply. And thats no excuse for not reporting something. Try again please.

 

[Kinslayer]

And can you tell me how exactly much the mods check their e-mail? Barely ever

How do you know that? When I was a mod, I checked my email all the time. Many of the other mods do so, as well. They can attest to that. :/

And what if someone contributes help to the forums, but then just does one bad thing and is banned?

Except that doesn't happen. When a "contributing" member does one thing, they get warned. Then so on, until they get banned. That's why we have the warning system. Go figure.

If you can't be everywhere get rid of some staff and get new active staff?

The staff now is just fine....Minus a dingbat or two.

 

[Serebii]

Let me just have this on record; Mods NEVER ban for personal dislike. I fully stand by Josh's decision on this. That was not the reason for the ban and that is that. We ban for rule breaking and not just the one off rule breaking...continual rule breaking. There are user notes so that the users know when they have been warned. This is our system and we allow for rehabilitation nd second chances. I GIVE second chances...I give third chances. I am against punishing someone forever, its wrong and tends to incite even more problems

 

[TRJessie579]

Reporting posts DOES work, and is one of the only ways I'll know if something's going on in a long thread, since I don't check every post of every thread.

Reports don't just go to e-mail, they are also posted to a section of the forums only mods can see, so we can access them while on the forums.

No matter if a member's posts are "intelligent" if they break the rules enough times they're going to be banned just like any other member. We don't say "Oh, _____ is flaming other people for the 5th time but that's all right because their posts are usually intelligent."

And "get a new staff" because every mod here can't be online every waking moment of their lives? This isn't our paying JOB, it's something we volunteer for and we do when we can. The mods are usually active members but NO ONE can sit at the computer 24/7. We're not superhuman, people. AND that means we can't read minds, so please report posts that are against the rules instead of just whining about it.

ETA a response to this:

You might find that your work load drops significantly, and that, heaven forefend, you actually enjoy visiting the forums. [Which, judging by the temperament of most Mods, very few of you do.]

I do usually enjoy what I do, but some days it's very hard to. It's a thankless job. At the same time this thread is up with people complaining we're not being strict enough, I'm getting PMed by a member who thinks I'm a hateful lemming because I closed their spam threads. You can't win, so you just do you job the best you can.

 

[Korobooshi Kojiro]

I kind of get what Vent is saying.............

I mean, their are some members, who, imo, have been asking for a ban for a long time coming, yet nothing. And then some others who mess up a few times get banned.

 

[Savage X]

And "get a new staff" because every mod here can't be online every waking moment of their lives? This isn't our JOB, it's something we volunteer for and we do when we can. The mods are usually active members but NO ONE can sit at the computer 24/7. We're not superhuman, people.

Hence, "get a new staff".

I'm sure there are people that sit on this forum close to 24/7 and even if they don't very active members build up. Kind of like shifts. And who will do a better job modding for the time being; a current mod (probably bored of it now) or a new mod that is excited out of their mind and very nervous to do a good job and impress everyone?

 

[Shining Mew]

Did you miss the "no one" in there? No on e in their right mind can sit here for such an extended period of time without getting bored.

Theres nothing wrong with the staff. Its just the members are too damn lazy to report stuff they see.. and then come back later and whine about it. Like take Kojiro.. if he saw people that were doing crap, why didnt he report it instead of coming in here now and going "oh yeah.. there were people doing stuff with the stuff about stuff and nothing happened lol"

Come on guys, common sense please.

 

[TRJessie579]

You can find an entire team of people that sit at the computer all day EVERY day? People that don't have school or social plans or doctor's appointments or jobs or places to be EVER?

Kay.

 

[Korobooshi Kojiro]

I hang out here 24/7!

XD

Like take Kojiro.. if he saw people that were doing crap, why didnt he report it instead of coming in here now and going "oh yeah.. there were people doing stuff with the stuff about stuff and nothing happened lol"

Neh heh heh heh...ummmm.....*sweats*

*Jess has made a flawless point that I can't argue with*

 

[Savage X]

That's fine, but mods can still MODERATE the forum as well as having us report stuff.


But don't get me wrong, I really don't care about this whole thing... I was just lurking along and decided to put another 2 sense in.


EDIT: Did you miss the "close to 24/7" in there? And yeah, people are insane, I'm sure there is people that are up to 15/6 (ha) and even if they aren't very active members turned into mods will just build up and make it that much better.

My point is having more mods that are very active will obviously help reduce the SPAM...

 

[Kinslayer]

That's fine, but mods can still MODERATE the forum as well as having us report stuff.

...They do...What are you not getting?

 

[Vent's Theme]

We cannot be everywhere. Even if they contribute, they did break the rules and thats why we banned them.

Obviously, you're incredibly busy with university and maintaining the main site, and it would be in very bad taste to demand more [or indeed anything] of you which was why this post was directed more at the forum mods. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I'm worried by the fact that those members who really add something to the forum are being driven away by bans which seem somewhat arbitrary when set against the backdrop of idiocy which most members exhibit. I think we're asking for a little less leniency with regards to poor quality posts and a little more leniency where posters of acknowledged high quality are concerned.

Quoted for truth. Ill refer back to your examples. I personally see nothing wrong with PB's ban, because shes had it coming for awhile according to her posts that were reported and the things she was warned for. Perhaps you are biased toward her, perhaps not.. but honestly, look at some of those posts, and tell me theyre not flames/fire feeding and whatnot. And then you complained about spammer in anime polls.... well I for one dont go in that forum. I dont frequent every single forum, and anime is not included in my "modding rounds." And since no one has reported the spammy posts to me, the only person to blame for them not being banned is you, the members who see this crap and do nothing. You whine and whine and whine when you couldve easily reported the spammer so the mods know about it. We cant be everywhere.

I frequently do report topics, but, again, frequently, while that topic might be locked, nothing more is done about it; for example, in the recent wave of bot threads we've had, the same people keep replying to those threads with posts such as 'i'm fairly certain that this is spam mirite/1' or 'ur gonnaz get banned1lolwhut' and they don't even get told not to do that by the mod, despite the fact that there have been various rants made by members of the staff about how much replying to spam pisses them off. What's more, often the spamming is so rampant, [just go and look at the anime spoillers forum, it's better than it was, but it's still blindingly obvious,] that reporting the thread seems redundant.

Perhaps if members keep 'whining' about something, it's because there's a problem there, and, as a mod, you should at least look into it, rather than discarding it out of hand, as you seem to have done with my post. [And since you mention it, no, I'm not biased towards PB, nor am I here to try and fight her case, I'm merely saying that there's a problem when members such as PB are banned over blatant trolls.]

Reporting those stupid posts helps. The report button DOES work. Everyone contributes to the forums just by posting.

Also,When someone who contributes is banned, what they contribute is against the rules. Could you please find some common sense before posting a thread like this?

You say everyone contributes just by posting, but that when someone is banned, what they contribute is against the rules, thus contradicting yourself. My point is, I've seen many members who've received bans recently who contribute far, far more to the forums, than various members, who, repeatedly break rule, flame other members and spam; in posting, they contribute unrefined sewage.

Stuff

This isn't an attack on you, don't treat it as such. The point about hiring more mods is that most evidently, the work would be spread around, and thus there would be less of it to do for each of you, meaning you could perhaps post more regularly as members, and less often as mods and secondly, unless you have some kind of weird mod thing that I don't know about, you don't all have school, social life, dentist's appointments at the same time. If you get sick and really can't face modding for several weeks then there's someone to pick up the slack at give you a little breathing space.

 

[Savage X]

...They do...What are you not getting?

She is saying it like it's the members fault this stuff happens... if they looked through threads too I'm sure it wouldn't be as bad. Not every single thread here, but actively mod the forum... (that's where the extra mods come in.)