SapphireDewgong said:We don't want rid of them because we don't like them, sugarplum. We want rid of them because they require little to no effort and are, collectively, spam.
It's not that hard to comprehend.
However, it seems to be very hard for any moderators to comprehend the idea of the Games forum being just as spammy as the face-offs. I have no problem with the games but they are just as much SPAM as the face-offs. Can nobody explain to me how threads such as "Throw and object at the user above you" or "How off-topic can you go?" or "Post a lie about the above poster" require any more thought or effort than the face-offs?
Esperante said:face offs are just "I vote for _____" where's the effort? There's none at all. Its 10 or less word posts to see who wins a contest with no prize.
Well, compare a face-off to some of the games and I can point out how at least the face-offs are providing a contest of sorts rather than just being something created to solely incite idiocy.
Himiko said:Like I already stated, Face-offs are just a different kind of poll so they're not really needed because we have a pokepolls section.
Well, the face-offs were originally in the Pokepolls section but they were given their own separate subforum due to the complaints some people had about there being more face-offs than everything.
Games are different. They're not like polls or anything so if we got rid of that section then we wouldn't have a place to put things like them.
True, there isn't really another place for the games forum to go. However, do we really need a place for them? I mean, if you want to remove the face-offs due to their very notable SPAM levels then games also fall under the category and should be done away with also.
And the games section is way more popular than the face-offs.
That is also true but look at the calibre of threads in either section. OK, face-offs are not exactly in the high-intellect zone but at least they are related to the forums in the sense they are about Pokemon just like the rest of the forums whereas most, if not all of the games are totally unrelated and completely out of place on these forums.
I myself am not an advocate for the abolition of the games forum. I don't visit the games forum and it has no effect on me whatsoever. However, I don't see why we should have to sit back and endure the high level of hypocrisy in this thread. You can't have it both ways. You want the face-offs gone due to the fact they are SPAM but don't want to remove the games forum even though the same argument can be even more heavily applied to them. The only fair options are to either:
- delete both the Games forum and the Face-Offs subforum
- move the face-offs subforum from the General Pokemon Discussion forum to the Games forum
I think the latter is the most sensible. I mean, the former is awfully radical whereas the second will most likely shut everyone up. Which, on these forums would be quite an achievement!