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Mission: Defeat Your Rival! (765)

Discussion in 'Pokémon Black & White - Adventures in Unova' started by Serebii, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Pokemaniac24

    Pokemaniac24 Banned

    I gotta say that this is an amazing title to give to an episode.
     
  2. jammiedodger

    jammiedodger Active Member

    I have to admit, I was shocked by how violent that looked. Maybe it was just the animation evolution over the years, but even SiPC's fight didn't look anywhere near this violent. It didn't help that the whole setup was a bit of a clusterfeck with Ash yelling at Pikachu, seemingly fruitlessly and quite traumatically for the viewer, and then that deux ex machina win.

    I still don't know why the writers didn't make Pikachu's encounter with Zekrom at the start of the series reset his power level, that way it losing would make more sense, especially against Pokémon it ought to have an advantage over.

    Then again, Pikachu was only ever a glass cannon with plot armour in the first place.
     
  3. squrtle

    squrtle Dance with the Enemy

    It was a traumatizing battle. It was milked to death (almost literally) because they realised they couldn't make the battle last the length of the episode, so they milked it for 10 minutes. Then the Pika-Swellow thing happened in a way, and christ alive it went all DBZ. The whole "OPEN YOUR EYES" thing... Pikachu had his eyes closed because he was dying. Worse than Aim for the horn.
     
  4. jammiedodger

    jammiedodger Active Member

    It's a shame because when the writing team are on form they can actually create some pretty decent episodes. I don't see why the league's have gradually got so much worse. First being trounced by freaking legendaries and now this crap. It's not going to get any better either, if the general feeling towards the Japanese version is anything to go by.
     
  5. Brownie

    Brownie Anti Drew & paul fan

    God this episode sucks....

    I'll have a full review later, but these are all of the main problems I have with it: Trip going out in the first round, Bianca whining after losing (I'd cry, too, if I lost to him, but still), the way Trip got beaten (he gets OHKOed by Electro Ball + Iron Tail, a combo that shouldn't even be effective, while Pikachu takes hit after hit, and then gets strangled nearly to death, and still manages to pull off said combo? It didn't even make sense, either...). If Trip was a main character, and Ash a rival, I would hate Ash more than Tobiass.

    The only thing I DID like about this episode is the title, and the way Sarah said it.

    Yeah.
     
  6. SKyLineR32

    SKyLineR32 Master Weasel

    I understand why people thought the Serperior vs Pikachu was a little too much, but I personally don't see what was so bad about it. Pikachu has already been through a lot prior to that battle, but it always comes out fine like nothing even happened. I'm sure this episode will be no different. Just my opinion.
     
  7. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Same thing, day in;day out ಠ_ಠ

    Because a single combo (the only true hit Pikachu got on Serperior) was all it took to take Serperior down
     
  8. LizardonX

    LizardonX Banned

    Serperior going from solarbeam and frenzy plant to energy ball and wrap was unforgivable. It's pretty much the writers knowing they made it too good for ash to possibly beat and so phoned in a handy dose of plot induced failure on the two.
     
  9. PikachuIsCute

    PikachuIsCute New Member

    Guys Pikachu was not near death at all, he was just about to faint. Pokemon are way stronger to die in that silly way. As for Serperior, its clear that its trained well in Speed to avoid damage, but it seems Serperior is not used to taking damage. Iron tail + Electro ball is still effective because its Iron tail powered up, means its a Steel type move, don't make game logic your 'base'.
     
  10. BlueWartortle

    BlueWartortle ぶル ワルとルツル

    I should better call it Mission: Shoehorn the Series Mascot

    The final main rival battle was like Serperior's winning, Ash shouts "Pikachu", Pikachu gains confidence, Pikachu wins!
    Okay, we were sure that the outcome will be like this, but couldn't you take it a bit easier. Ash v Gary/Ash v Paul can't be compared to THAT thing!

    Cameron v Bianca was surprisingly okay. We got some Bianca's Emboar battling (which was already shown as powerful during Clubsplosion), and we finally saw Cameron's Riolu in action.
    That battle fared out quite well, and Cameron winning was a bit predictable as well (they wouldn't summon a League Rival only to have him defeated by Bianca...)
     
  11. SKyLineR32

    SKyLineR32 Master Weasel

    Oh, I know. I was just giving my thoughts on what Serperior did to Pikachu in this epidode. I still think this battle was dumb.
     
  12. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Same thing, day in;day out ಠ_ಠ

    If memory serves, Snivy and Servine were well capable of taking hits, Snivy took a Quick Attack and I believe an Iron Tail from Pikachu, while Servine took multiple Vine Whips (basically Pikachu's Electro Ball) and a final Leaf Blade (Pikachu's Iron Tail) to fall to Ash's Snivy. Not sure how you lose all that defense after evolving despite the focus on Speed training
     
  13. PikachuIsCute

    PikachuIsCute New Member

    If you're training on something, but stop for a long time, you will lose what you learned or gained. I bet ever since his Servine evolved it didn't get a scratch, except when Alder 1-hit it with his Bouffalant, did you notice Serperior was a bit scared when Pikachu was about to use Thunderbolt even thought its not effective.
     
  14. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Same thing, day in;day out ಠ_ಠ

    I noticed Pikachu's never been trained for defense in it's life.
     
  15. jammiedodger

    jammiedodger Active Member

    It wouldn't have been so bad if the writers had perhaps emphasised Trip's Serperior being unusual in that he trained it for speed and offence over its usually solid defence. Of course that wouldn't do anything to explain Pikachu suddenly becoming a wall.

    Actually writing a full 6-on-6, or even 3-on-3 battle would have done a lot to negate this, allowing several of Ash's Pokémon to chip away at Serperior while he formed some kind of strategy to beat it.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2013
  16. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "And just what are you starin' at?"

    A Serperior being trained in offense? Does even EV/IV work that way?
     
  17. PikachuIsCute

    PikachuIsCute New Member

    Just taking hits while battling, no one forces his Pokemon to take damage for training purposes, besides its not that effective, but it adds up, and there are alot of other factors that determines a Pokemon performance in battle, its not a game, they have feelings, personalities, confidence, moods etc..

    its not numerical data in the anime, sure Pikachu could have fainted, but he knows very well its Ash chance to enter the league and he won't give up easily, especially that he likes Ash alot.


    No IV/EV's in the anime. IV's are like talents, like some human good in Piano naturally, a Pokemon can be good in attack instead, etc..
    EV's are training/battling and is lost partially if the Pokemon does not battle for a long period of time.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2013
  18. Caseydia

    Caseydia Ace Trainer

    This has got to be the worse Trip vs Ash battle I've ever seen. Ten minutes of watching Pikachu being squeezed to death was not what I wanted. I was hoping for a new attack that Pikachu could atleast learn so that this wouldn't seem so stupid.
     
  19. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    So I'm the only person who had a problem with how hacked that Samurott was?? Seriously Escavalier's defense was raised hella high and more then enough to take a Razor Shell.
     
  20. moneylesswario

    moneylesswario Shudo's Powerhouses

    That was pretty bad, I agree (the explanation for it (shockwaves from the inside or whatever it was)) didn't even make sense
     

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