I saw this coming. The average Serebii Joe debates against and derides anything pre-categorized as a conspiracy theory.
Is Lady Gaga walking laying in bed with the charred remnants of a man who buys her, with horned gazelles on either side...fashion?
or a cry for attention? She dresses freaky on purpose. It is a part of glam "pop/rock." Ask Mick Jagger and David Bowie. There outfits were extremely bizarre for their time but now that we have grown acustomed to them- so freakier outfits are needed. Glam/pop stars must continuously break through the noise.
Also do any of you know that there are conspiracy theorists who claim that The Beatles had subliminal messages/devil worshipping stuff in their albums when the albums were played backwards?
Maybe if you don't want me or anyone else to comment you should pm this stuff to each other. And the question was is it just another dumb conspiracy theory to all I did was answer “yes.”
There's no argument saying that flowers are symbols of brainwashing. That's quite a put down to the talented people who work hard making quality conspiracy theory sites. If you pose the argument that Lady Gaga walking through fire unscathed and then laying down with a corpse between two horned bovine heads is a symbol of ritual sacrifice to Baphomet, then you have an pretty good argument, am I wrong?
The “talented” people? More like schizophrenic. I mean I feel bad for them because the people that create these theories suffer from schizophrenia and paranoia like John Forbes Nash or Nathaniel Hawthorne. It is no wonder that they can’t handle this kind of stuff- It is very hard for Nathaniel Hawthorne to even listen to recordings of his own music without hearing “voices.” It is even nearly impossible for him to watch television because he will see things coming out of the television and hear strange whispers. These people obviously don’t show as strong of symptoms as Mr. Hawthorne but they show signs of minor paranoia and schizophrenia.
I could easily look throughout the course of human history, looking for symbols indicating flowers. We are all human- ever heard the expression "Nothing new under the sun?" The point is since we are all human and cultures have come up with similar symbols or even mimicked other cultures symbols that they found visually appealing.
Symbolism - which this is - is not art, it's imitation.
Symbolism isn't an art? That is like saying my Brittany Spaniel isn't a dog. Take a look at the different crosses inspired by different cultural influences. It is still the same cross but everyone has their own way of looking at it.
Not really an argument to this, I mean you're right, there were a lot of "ethically unsound expiriments" in the middle 1900's...but I mean, just because that's in the past doesn't mean now is a squeaky clean ethically waterproof time period either. There's no way to tell if there are ethically unsound expiriments going on today or not, we only know the illicit, secretive practices of a time period decades later. So, neither of us really are wrong or right yet.
Actually we do know- right now- but the conspiracy theories draw attention away from what is really happening. Waterboarding and playing music at high levels 24/7 are currently torture techniques to break down our inmates at Gitmo.
Also read everything I wrote about advertising in your thread on Toys in Happy Meals, Sunny C. Now that stuff is conditioning. But alot of people don't want to believe it because it is right there in front of our eyes instead of supposedly “hidden’ in secret messages.
The way I think about it (since I prefer to be an impartial observer) is that there are good, well-meaning people out there who believe in self-empowerment and independence a'la America, so when they turn to symbols for their art, they pick the demonic ones, the non-Judeo Christian symbols, the "pagan symbols" to say "stuff it, God".
Exactly, pick the symbols that are not popular to get attention. Or warp the symbols that are popular to give a visually appealing symbol with new perspective.
Coincidentally, the Islamic Antichrist only has one good eye.
Ohs Noes. Go tell that to the pirates of the 17-1800s. Go tell that to anyone who has ever lost their eye in a war- Actually I do know someone like that, I will have to tell him that he is the Islamic Anti Christ.
[/QUOTE]And, neither is Judeo-Christian-Muslim monotheism a cult. People all over the world pray to a God whom they cannot see, imagine that. They find comfort in faith, and/or they find comfort in power. Only, some find comfort in a two-eyed God, and some find comfort in a one-eyed God.[/QUOTE]
I don't think my God has eyes. But just to poke a hole here did you ever make God's eye as a child? Took the cool colored yarn as a child and wrapped it around perpendicular popsicle sticks? It is a Hispanic tradition but it was popular for children with a Christian upbringing to make these at day care and stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God's_eye
If I were to take a guess, it'd be the first and third options, probably the first. However, part of me wonders (or wants to believe) that the songs that Paramore and Lady Gaga sing about aren't actually about Monarch Programming, but when made into music videos have Monarch Programming references added.
Same with Lady Gaga. I think it's possible that the songs themselves aren't directly referencing Monarch Programming, but people begin to make connections between the lyrics and MP when they see the music videos of their songs--Lady Gaga in particular (with Bad Romance, especially).
I think the songs (or, more accurately to me, the music videos) reference Monarch Programming with the symbols but aren't trying to instill the Programming or anything like that. I think, if anything, the bands simply sing/have videos about the Programming without being exposed to the Monarch Programming themselves.
I read a comment on a Youtube video (which I know really may not have much credibility) from an alleged Fashion Show producer who stated that the employees simply dress these singers and models and actors, and that it's there to look pretty or neat. I think it's possible that the Monarch Programming references are simply put in there. Like, somebody who wants the MP symbols to be there just tells the employees/famous people to wear the symbols without telling them why.
I dunno. Maybe that's the innocence in me wanting me to believe that Paramore and Lady GaGa aren't corrupt, but are innocent as well and are just as subjected to this stuff as we are.
I think it is just coincidence. Have you seen the freaky outfits that go out on the catwalk? They are extremely bizarre- and have to be- to get attention. And these can't be a part of Monarch Programming because there are too many designers working on their own lines, in many different countries across the globe.
Furthermore the site that sunny C quoted earlier has a giant gaping hole in their theory- they claim that GaGa is “brainwashing us” in the music video but all they do is use bits and pieces of her video to summarize Monarch programming. That is a summary not an actual brainwash. This is similar to how John Forbes Nash cut out bits and pieces from a magazine to create Soviet encryptions- the thing was though- it was all in his mind. He created the patterns and symbols himself.
And to be honest- these types of theories claim that we are being “brainwashed” from an early age and programmed, etc… Well yes we are but I have news for you, anthropologists call it “culture” and specifically in Lady GaGa’s case “pop culture.” Unless you understand the idea of Monarch Programming you are not making any connections, not even in your subconscious mind, between say Disney Movies and toddler’s television and the “reprogramming.” If you have to search for the symbols and look hard to find them then they are not subliminal. These are just a part of our American culture now (and fyi 90% of Disney movies are just readapted parables, stories, and plays from other cultures). All those stories from other cultures had themes and morals to them like what our children watch on television. All cultures do this thing (teach the young stories, parables, etc) so the culture can carry on. The only way to really avoid any of this is to be raised by wolves, apes or some other mammal (and yes that has happened more frequently than you would think).
Stories also get adapted and readapted as generations change, especially back before we had cultures that relied on oral story-telling and not television, radio, etc.
I suppose what I don't understand is how religion ties into Monarch Programming. To me, they sound like separate entities.
I don't know how that got thrown in there either. I think the site you referenced had AntiChrist references.
I guess my most major argument about conspiracies like this is that the creator’s don’t seem to have a fundamental grasp of “culture” and without any type of culture that is passed down from a generation to another the world would be in complete anarchy.
And I mean the only conspiracy about Lady GaGa is that she has a *****.
