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Monday: Pokémon X & Y - US Gengar & Diancie Events

Trevenant

Banned
a) You're missing the point of events.
b) It didn't just happen at Gamestop. It was a common thing happening wherever there was a distribution outside of Japan. It was getting ridiculous. It was not a Gamestop only thing. Now they have an alternative, and that's how things will stay. Accept it
a) I think you don't understand the point of them if you're saying purchase-less serial codes are better than getting something from the parking lot when there is absolutely no difference between them.

b) GameStop was more notorious for it though. Are you a victim of Stockholm Syndrome or something? "Just accept" being punished for being a fan? Why? If they can change policies to benefit bad stores like GameStop and only them, why not change it so fans can actually appreciate it?

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complain to corporate if someone is still doing it when theyre not supposed to. seriously. as someone who worked retail and who had a few coworkers who worked at gs before working at my store, if corporate catches wind of you doing something youre not supposed to you learn veryyyyyy quickly not to do it again.
Except it'll keep happening. Again. And again. And again. And ad nauseum.

Oh, did one bad worker get fired? Who cares? His/her replacement won't be any better.
You also have to deal with the fact that a lot of GameStops (reportedly, I say reportedly because we only have statements from lolGamestop to go by) never even got serial codes for many events. What happens in that case? SOL because of a bad event system?

because forcing people to go into the store greatly increases the chance that you will see something you like and buy something... seriously this is retail 101 here. it may not work on you specifically but it works on a lot of people.
Unless you have a shopping addiction... no not at all. I'm not compelled to shop and spend money just because I visited a store to get something for free.

Besides, why or how does that make the event "special"? Nothing says "eventful" like promoting irrelevant (to the game you're holding an event for) companies?

toys r us is not nearly as widespread. ive lived in two different cities and neither one had a TRU, both had two gamestops. where i live right now there is one TRU within about a 50 mile radius and theres at least six gamestops in that same radius. it might not be a big issue for someone with a car but for a kid or someone without a car it's a huge hassle.
On the other hand they're probably not going to pull as much baloney as GameStop always will and always does.

Unless you live in some unusual city you're probably a significant distance from any actual shopping district that would even have GameStops or TRU to begin with so mentioning the need for a car in some cases is a moot point - most (if not all) probably will need a car anyway because they'll need their parents or friends to drive them there or something.
 
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Serebii

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a) I think you don't understand the point of them if you're saying purchase-less serial codes are better than getting something from the parking lot when there is absolutely no difference between them.

b) GameStop was more notorious for it though. Are you a victim of Stockholm Syndrome or something? "Just accept" being punished for being a fan? Why? If they can change policies to benefit bad stores like GameStop and only them, why not change it so fans can actually appreciate it?
a) No, I really do understand it. Events aren't just there to provide distribution of Pokémon.
b) Fans aren't being punished. They're still getting the event distributions.
 

Trevenant

Banned
a) No, I really do understand it. Events aren't just there to provide distribution of Pokémon.
b) Fans aren't being punished. They're still getting the event distributions.
a) Then they aren't very "special" or ceremonious if they have little to do with Pokemon now are they?
And again you're still dodging the question. Why is it special to go in a store and get a serial code for free as opposed to downloading it from the parking lot? The whole ten seconds you talked to a store clerk is that monumental or something?

You are aware a large majority of the people who get these serial codes don't make additional purchases right?
You are aware a large majority of the people who are forced to buy things to get the serial code due to only having the bad GameStops locally end up returning the purchase and giving their local GameStops bad feedback online right?

How do EITHER of those hold any form of (positive) sentiment to them?

b) If they pay. Events used to be free. Events also didn't require dealing with GameStop workers. So yes. It is a punishment.
 

bobjr

EVERYONE WANTS THE BIG CHAIR MEG
Staff member
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Yeah, if I have to interact with a stranger to get something the deal is off for me.
 

Trevenant

Banned
Yeah, if I have to interact with a stranger to get something the deal is off for me.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. (though you probably are.)

I have no problem with going to a real store that treats their customers like more than subhuman garbage and talking to a worker to get the code.
I do have a problem with talking to someone who will treat me like an idiot and deny me service unless I give them money even though it is supposed to be free.
 

Serebii

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a) Then they aren't very "special" or ceremonious if they have little to do with Pokemon now are they?
And again you're still dodging the question. Why is it special to go in a store and get a serial code for free as opposed to downloading it from the parking lot? The whole ten seconds you talked to a store clerk is that monumental or something?

You are aware a large majority of the people who get these serial codes don't make additional purchases right?
You are aware a large majority of the people who are forced to buy things to get the serial code due to only having the bad GameStops locally end up returning the purchase and giving their local GameStops bad feedback online right?

How do EITHER of those hold any form of (positive) sentiment to them?

b) If they pay. Events used to be free. Events also didn't require dealing with GameStop workers. So yes. It is a punishment.
a) Because the concept of events is to promote togetherness and socialising
b) Actually that's not true. Gamestop workers tried to pull the same stuff with previous events dating back to Gen IV where they'd only turn on the distribution card when the person has pre-ordered a game. This practice is scummy, yes, but is by no means new.

Talking to you about events is really like talking to a brick wall. You're refusing to take other views than your own as valid, and refusing to take facts as valid. I'm done.
 

ellie

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Except it'll keep happening. Again. And again. And again. And ad nauseum.

Oh, did one bad worker get fired? Who cares? His/her replacement won't be any better.
not if you keep reporting it, it won't. have you ever worked retail? because that's not how it works. usually it's a manager that tells the employees to do that and then corporate tells the managers of the entire district don't do this because i got a complaint about it. you probably won't get fired over one thing and the managers generally want to keep their job so they stop it.

You also have to deal with the fact that a lot of GameStops (reportedly, I say reportedly because we only have statements from lolGamestop to go by) never even got serial codes for many events. What happens in that case? SOL because of a bad event system?
uh i guess? but the same thing can happen at any store. thats a problem on gamefreaks end if they arent sending codes properly.

Unless you have a shopping addiction... no not at all. I'm not compelled to shop and spend money just because I visited a store to get something for free.
clearly you have never run errands before because that's not how it works. it's more like they go into the store and see a preorder bonus for a game they wanted anyway so they decide to preorder it. or they're a mom who remembers little jimmy really wanted mariokart 8 for his birthday and decides to pick it up while she's there to save a trip to target later. or they broke their wii mote and have been wanting to replace it forever and they go in and see gamestop sells them and decide to pick one up. or... you get the idea. there are tons of reasons why someone might decide to pick something up after seeing it in a store that aren't a shopping addiction. just because it doesn't work on YOU doesn't mean it doesn't work on anyone. pretty much every store has something designed to draw people in so they will (hopefully) see other things they want while there and buy it, and it works.

Besides, why or how does that make the event "special"? Nothing says "eventful" like promoting irrelevant (to the game you're holding an event for) companies?
who said it had to be super special? gamestop is a business and they are out to make money like every single other business. clearly hosting the event results in some increased revenue for them otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. fans get the pokemon they want and gamestop gets increased revenue, everyone wins. the end.

On the other hand they're probably not going to pull as much baloney as GameStop always will and always does.
look, i don't like gamestop either since most of the workers at the ones near me apparently have never seen a girl before and stare at me uncomfortably when i go in. but what makes you think TRU will be any better? gamestop is the best option for non-wifi distribution right now and even if i don't like the company i'm not going to argue that.

Unless you live in some unusual city you're probably a significant distance from any actual shopping district that would even have GameStops or TRU to begin with so mentioning the need for a car in some cases is a moot point - most (if not all) probably will need a car anyway because they'll need their parents or friends to drive them there or something.
not really. if you have a location within the town itself, you can usually ride a bike or take a bus to get there. buses tend to stop at the larger shopping centers so you have a much better chance at stopping in front of a center with a GS than a TRU. plus like i said, there tends to be other stuff around there so if you have to get in the car to go grocery shopping, get your hair cut, pick up meds from the drugstore, whatever, it's not that much of a hassle to spend 5 minutes in gamestop when you're already there. if you have to go out of town for TRU though you could waste an entire day trying to get over there and then wehn you get there you can't do any of your other errands because there's no grocery store or pharmacy there. it makes a huge difference to some people. my parents had a car but i still never went to the TRU events when i was a kid (or even now because i'm lazy) since it was so damn far away. i did, however, go to some of the gamestop ones when we were at the mall or getting groceries or whatever. to a parent with a kid it's a massive difference.
 

bobjr

EVERYONE WANTS THE BIG CHAIR MEG
Staff member
Moderator
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. (though you probably are.)

I have no problem with going to a real store that treats their customers like more than subhuman garbage and talking to a worker to get the code.
I do have a problem with talking to someone who will treat me like an idiot and deny me service unless I give them money even though it is supposed to be free.
Too bad Gamestop doesn't sell chill pills because then the code would be easy for you to get.
 

Trevenant

Banned
a) Because the concept of events is to promote togetherness and socialising
b) Actually that's not true. Gamestop workers tried to pull the same stuff with previous events dating back to Gen IV where they'd only turn on the distribution card when the person has pre-ordered a game. This practice is scummy, yes, but is by no means new.

Talking to you about events is really like talking to a brick wall. You're refusing to take other views than your own as valid, and refusing to take facts as valid. I'm done.
And... again, how does a free event do this? I have a ten second interaction with a person I might never see again in a store I probably won't go to again. What does that promote?

b) I thought GameStop were a bunch of holy angels that did no wrong? ;)

By the way how many times are you going to say to me "You refuse to accept that I am the only person allowed to be right. I'm done I won't post anymore" before you actually stop replying?

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not if you keep reporting it, it won't. have you ever worked retail? because that's not how it works. usually it's a manager that tells the employees to do that and then corporate tells the managers of the entire district don't do this because i got a complaint about it. you probably won't get fired over one thing and the managers generally want to keep their job so they stop it.
You keep mentioning things that don't apply to GameStop.

clearly you have never run errands before because that's not how it works. it's more like they go into the store and see a preorder bonus for a game they wanted anyway so they decide to preorder it. or they're a mom who remembers little jimmy really wanted mariokart 8 for his birthday and decides to pick it up while she's there to save a trip to target later. or they broke their wii mote and have been wanting to replace it forever and they go in and see gamestop sells them and decide to pick one up. or... you get the idea. there are tons of reasons why someone might decide to pick something up after seeing it in a store that aren't a shopping addiction. just because it doesn't work on YOU doesn't mean it doesn't work on anyone. pretty much every store has something designed to draw people in so they will (hopefully) see other things they want while there and buy it, and it works.
None of these qualify as upsells so I think you missed the entire point of what I was even saying.

who said it had to be super special? gamestop is a business and they are out to make money like every single other business. clearly hosting the event results in some increased revenue for them otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. fans get the pokemon they want and gamestop gets increased revenue, everyone wins. the end.
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look, i don't like gamestop either since most of the workers at the ones near me apparently have never seen a girl before and stare at me uncomfortably when i go in. but what makes you think TRU will be any better? gamestop is the best option for non-wifi distribution right now and even if i don't like the company i'm not going to argue that.
What makes them the best?
And please show me all of the stories that say TRU is just as bad with EVERYTHING that GameStop employees are required to do.

You don't really seem to get what an upsell is so I'll just tell you to go look it up.

Too bad Gamestop doesn't sell chill pills because then the code would be easy for you to get.
Wow, a mod flaming people with insults even /b/ would be ashamed to utter. That's really pleasing to see.

I'll say it for Serebii considering it seems that there's only one correct thought process for things like events and I obviously don't fall under it, you guys win. I won't post anymore about this because I am not worthy.
 

ellie

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You keep mentioning things that don't apply to GameStop.
these do apply to gamestop though lmao

None of these qualify as upsells so I think you missed the entire point of what I was even saying.
who said anything about upsells until now? all i said was making people go into the store can make people buy stuff and therefore generate revenue for gamestop. i never said those were upsells. please learn to read.

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your condescending posts don't contribute anything. apparently since you aren't smart enough to figure out what i was saying i will put it in simpler terms for you. event =/= having to be special. event = opportunity to make money for gamestop. event also = opportunity for fans to get a pokemon they wanted. everyone = getting what they want. you = still complaining because you apparently need to complain about somethng.

What makes them the best?
And please show me all of the stories that say TRU is just as bad with EVERYTHING that GameStop employees are required to do.
they are the best because they are extremely widespread and in convenient locations. moving it to tru wouldn't fix it because you'll still have to talk to employees and all of the problems you present are still a possibility at tru. please prove that tru will be better.

You don't really seem to get what an upsell is so I'll just tell you to go look it up.
i worked in retail, i know what an upsell is and your condescending attitude makes you look a lot less intelligent. you are the one who brought up upselling, not me.
 

bobjr

EVERYONE WANTS THE BIG CHAIR MEG
Staff member
Moderator
Yes, thinking that going up to a retail employee, asking for a code, and them suggesting to pre-order the next pokemon game is such a bad way to handle a promotion. What person getting a code for a downloadable pokemon would ever want to buy another pokemon game?
 

Austratus

a paper man
I'm a bit disappointed and wary about Diancie being a SC promo instead of a Wi-Fi promo. I'm going to have to ask about sometime this or next week, since I'm a semi-regular browser at the two closest to me.

(EDIT: Derped on the Heracross/Pinsir stones tidbit, since those should be coming in emails soon, not as a serial code.)
 
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Serebii

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I'm a bit disappointed and wary about Diancie being a SC promo instead of a Wi-Fi promo. I'm going to have to ask about sometime this or next week, since I'm a semi-regular browser at the two closest to me.

(EDIT: Derped on the Heracross/Pinsir stones tidbit, since those should be coming in emails soon, not as a serial code.)
Canada gets the Serial Code for those Mega Stones through that e-mail on September 17th
 

Schade

Life's a ball
My goodness, you really seem to dislike GameStop.

It's cool to finally have a set date for Diancie, but seeing as I probably won't be able to get it anytime soon, nor the shiny Gengar, it is okay. To me, at least.
 

Quils

Strange Creature
I'm disappointed right now. I was really really hoping for a Wi-fi distribution, since they always like to forget Latin America. That's why I think all events should be Wi-fi, so that all fans have access to them.
They revealed Diancie on the internet, and they even put info in the spanish website for LA, I would be very upset if it doesn't come here. About the Gengar, I don't care too much about it since it's not something impossible to get in the game, you can always MM a Shiny Gastly.
Well... it's still too soon to complain so I'm really hoping that they give us the code in an e-mail or something. I wish something is confirmed soon.
In the unfortunate case we are left out, I really hope many of you get extra codes to share with the unfortunate ones that live in those countries where the event won't come >.>
 

Solomie

Well-Known Member
I hope they eventually give away Diancie in a Wifi event, even if it is years from now. I was so happy to finally obtain an Arceus from the Dream World after being unable to get one in all of Gen 4. My country is too small in terms of population or income to ever be viable for any of Nintendo's events but there is a small group of Pokemon fans playing X/Y here.
 

Psychic

Really and truly
Canada gets the Serial Code for those Mega Stones through that e-mail on September 17th
Interesting, I've been wondering about this but haven't seen it announced anywhere. EB Games employees seem to have no idea about this. I had to do some Googling to understand what you were talking about - the Mega Stones are apparently being given away via some newsletter from the Global Link. Can you maybe put this on the main website so the info is more accessible? Also, do we know if this will be a one-time use code?

It's kind of weird that this is apparently only the deal for Canada, though. At least it sounds slightly better than going to a physical store and getting a code there. :p Will this also be the case for Gengar and Diancie?
 

Leafy Sea Dragon

Well-Known Member
I talked to someone from Nintendo's customer service on the phone and they said that GameStop isn't required to give the code cards out for free (although it was recommended that they did).

I also learned that if the local GameStops ran out of cards, you could call Nintendo's customer service and they'd email you the code for whichever event is going on (IF they were to still do that in the upcoming events). though this seems to already be known(?).

I personally went all the way to Mukilteo from Seattle/Shoreline to get the Megastone since my local stores were out of cards. The GameStop employee was nice enough to give me a card for free since pre-ordering OR/AS there would be a bit of a drive. Now to get my Megastone back from my friend...

The reason I called Nintendo was to suggest they have more cards available next time. The guy might have taken it under consideration, but it looks like it's going to be the call-to-get-the-code-emailed way generally.
 

Oshakpop

Eeveelution Master
I'm a little miffed that the events are in store just because they're isn't a GAME store for miles near me so it seems I won't be able to get these events. I understand for Mega's, Shinies etc. but for actually getting Pokémon that'll only ever be available during Events you'd think they'd want to give everyone the chance.

I understand events, doesn't mean I have to like them though!
 
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