Most needed changes: a consensus

[feebas_factor]

Pokemon is not a perfect game. So sad, yet true. There are imbalances, lack of fairness, things that are too hard, too easy, and don't even make sense.

I'm sure everyone has a number of things they'd love to change in the game if they could; make their favourite a bit better, give a pokemon certain moves, change part of the game, etc. Many different ideas and changes have been suggested at times; some received alot of support, while others were just... unnecessary.

The purpose of this thread is too finally sift through all of that and come to a conclusion about the most needed changes in the pokemon games today.

Basically, post whatever changes you think are needed, and the reason why. If someone else has already posted a change and a reason, you can refer to those as well. If you think something is a really bad idea, you can point it out, explaining why it is a bad idea.

Example:

I think x needs to be changed in such a way, for reasons 1,2 and 3.

Contrary to what poster A said, y should not be changed.
For reasons 4, 5 and 6.

Also, I agree with poster B that z needs to be changed for the reasons they posted.

In other words, you can elaborate on or agree with a previous suggestion, but don't just suggest a change that's never been mentionned before without any explanation.

I'll look through and list the most popular/well-reasoned/highly supported ideas. General ideas are probably best, not everyone cares if your precious one favourite pokemon didn't get a much needed move.

The kind of changes I mean are like, if you were talking about the first generation, you might suggest:
- splitting the special stat
- making a new type immune to psychic

Though this thread is only about the advance generation, that's the kind of thing I mean.

So, let's see if we can reach some level of consensus, shall we?

(Or if this thread will get moving at all )

 

[-SI-]

IMO, i dont understand why Ice can hurt Dragons... Pure dragon types...

Ice Beam on Dratini? Super Effective?

Thats what I dont get.

 

[Leon Phelps]

IMO, i dont understand why Ice can hurt Dragons... Pure dragon types...

Ice Beam on Dratini? Super Effective?

Thats what I dont get.

I'm no biologist, but I think that you won't find many reptiles in cold climates. Maybe that could be why the Ice Age killed the dinosaurs, among other things of course.

To contribute to the thread, I am going to say that there needs to be a better balance in the typing. I'm sure everyone is aware of the abundance of water pokemon, many of them useless.

 

[PkMn_Trainer_Joe]

i really don't get why Psychic is Super Effective against poison


And yeah WAY too many useless water types

 

[Dramatic Melody]

I hope Poison will be super affective to something else but grass. Maybe bug again. That's all I could think of...

 

[-SI-]

I thought Poison can rot steel IRL

 

[Goldyoshi]

Shouldn't water-types be super-effective against poison? Water is what people tell you to drink (other than medicine) when yer poisoned and when you're sick...

Also, in the oeverworld, the Pokemon sprites should do something other than saying their name....the Pokemon Overworld sprites are boring and stale other than in sprite comics...at least the people say stuff, some of it funny (the shorts kid)...

Also...jumping in the overworld. "Oh look, a small ledge that absolutely anyone can jump over! I'm gonna make you walk sloooowly around it instead! ^v^ Love us." SOMETHING to go over ledges and such. It's ANNOYING.

 

[Leon Phelps]

I thought Poison can rot steel IRL

What you're referring to is the process of oxidation. You know why metals rust? Yeah...

i really don't get why Psychic is Super Effective against poison

Everything doesn't always have to make sense. This was added for balance. Other than Psychic, Ground is Poison's only weakness.

Yes, Water needs a physical weakness such as poison.

 

[feebas_factor]

Yes, Water needs a physical weakness such as poison.

Personally, this is one I strongly support. Both balancing and logical.

This isn't so important, but I wish they'd stop favouring red over blue (or the equivalent) all the time.

 

[◘Ins0mnIac◘]

I would think Ice should be super effective against water.....it IS frozen water after all......and ftw @ Ghost attacks not being able to hit normals....

 

[Leon Phelps]

I would think Ice should be super effective against water.....it IS frozen water after all......and ftw @ Ghost attacks not being able to hit normals....

I'll make an attempt to explain this one. Ghosts can't physically touch people in real life so why should they affect Normal types.

If Ice affected Water, then Water would have too many special weaknesses and Ice would become the uber type. There has to be balance. Giving Poison an extra strength however would not disrupt this balance.

 

[Sk@rmory288]

The difficulty on catching and rasing Feebas and evolving it into Milotic. I know it isn't a big problem nor important, but I just don't like thet complicated technique.

Why is normal so "normal" Hardly any weaknesses nor strengths.

These are a bit stupid, but all I can think of.

 

[BasiltheDragon]

Normal is meant to be 'normal', though I think Normal should be super effective against one type, as then Normal would have one weakness, one resistence and one super effectivness.

I think that Legendary Pokemon should go.

It'll stop the flux of, in my opinion, stupid flims, stop people from being unable to clomplete their Pokedex, without resorting to cheating, and it'll stop the hundreds of kids who think they have the 'ultimate team' of Deoxys/Jirachi/Mewtwo/Mew/Lugia/Rayquaza.

 

[AJ Flibble]

Personally, this is one I strongly support. Both balancing and logical.

This isn't so important, but I wish they'd stop favouring red over blue (or the equivalent) all the time.

Agreed. Hmm, Ninetales and Arcanine. RBY, Arcanine was the one overshowcased and glorified and with better stats, only in GSC to get even more Special Attack while Ninetales LOST most of his.

Ice having another resistance would be dandy too, and overall less Psychic legendaries.

 

[Shiney_Hunter_Tauros_Rule]

I think Blissey and Wobbuffet deserve a downgrade in stats.

Also the blue version ones(Which ARE cooler anyway) like Victreebel and Ninetales need to be evened out with the red version ones (You know, the generic. boring ones) ie Arcanine, Syther

 

[AJ Flibble]

I already consider Victreebel better than Vileplume anyway - it's faster and more damaging. Plume gets Aromatherapy, but Victreebel is so underrated it isn't even funny - who cares if it can't take hits if it can Sleep opponents and **** them up with Sludge Bomb, which is possibly Swords Danced.

 

[Shiney_Hunter_Tauros_Rule]

I know but wouldnt it be good to make Bel so much better compared to the Plume. I meen at least Victreebel looks good unlike an overgrown weed.

 

[BluekiKatana]

Water is too overpowered
Solution: Give it a new weakness, Grass and Fire both have 3 weaknesses, why can't water have a third? Poison and Ice would both be good candidates.

Poison is too underpowered
Solution: Make it SE against something else, or give it more resistances, as much as steel has even. Better dual typings too (Dark/Poison)

Not enough useful Ghost and Bug Pokemon
Solution: Make some more with better types, including some physical sweepers and a good special sponge for the bug category (cockaroach).

More Beefy Electric/Fire Pokemon.
Ok, while this type has a very good offense, they can use a better defense.
More durable types; sponges, tanks, etc. It doesn't make sense how water can be so offensive and defensive and these 2 cannot do the same.

Egg hatching is still tedious
Ok emerald helped A LOT. Still though, it takes too much time and Pokemon should be fun. You literally have to hatch for hours just to get a good competitive Pokemon.
Solution: An automatic incubator in the daycare center where they put multiple eggs for additional charge and you get a phonecall whenever one is hatched. This also shouldn't be based on steps it should be based on minutes, how about 2-5 minutes per egg depending on species?

Bug needs a TM move
Solution: Make Signal Beam buyable

Dark needs a TM move
Solution: Make Crunch buyable

Gyarados & Pinsir NEED a STAB offensive move
Does gamefreak hate these Pokemon or something? Why does Dugtrio get Aerial Ace when Gyarados doesn't? The world will never know.

Meganium NEEDs Aromatherapy
Pokedex

 

[Dark_Force]

Pokemon with 'useless' typings. E.g. sneasel being ice/dark and having no S.Atk whatsoever.

Ghost being Attack Based, Dark S.Atk This REALLY needs to be switched round. Crunch and bite sound more 'physical' than shadow ball and night shade, so why do they count as s.atk? Most ghosts have high s.atk and most darks have high atk, so shouldnt ghost and dark be switched round?

Pokemon with great stats given horrible movepools Looking at you, charizard, arcanine, and pidgeot. Give these pokemon more moves, and a few TMS e.g. crunch so charizard can take advantage of his great s.atk

NO EV/IV Traker ingame this really needs to be changed. Why not have this on the poketchi, and explain evs to little kiddies by telling em that battling speedy pogeymanz make your pokemon faster, etc?

All i can think of for now

~DF~

 

[CRYSTALCELEBI]

How come dragon is only good against itself?That question has been bugging me...Dragon should be good against something else.Maybe nintendo will make poison good against water?After all, water suffers from pollution.Normal HAS to be good against something...Maybe Bug.(*squash*)Hehehe.