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Moves that Pokémon can't learn but should learn?

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Johto Boy
Moves that Pokémon can't learn but should learn?

I'll start, first off

Venusaur should learn Spore. Would make him nasty!
 

Captain Jigglypuff

*On Vacation. Go Away!*
I’ve always thought Inkay and Malamar should have access to Octazooka.
 

raichu27

Well-Known Member
Heatran: Scald (Hot water comes from some hot pipes)
Aurorus: Power Gem (It's got a gem around the top of its nose, plus its special attack is higher than its physical attack.)
Heliolisk: Solarbeam and Sunny Day (It's a solar Pokemon.)
Tentacool/Tentacruel: Power Gem
Yanmega: Fly (Jessie was seen riding on one)
Lycanroc: Play Rough
Glaceon: Surf
Eelektross: Sludge Bomb
Mew: Draco Meteor (Event only; Jirachi had that move as an event for 4th generation)
Magearna: Power Gem (It's got a gem or some kind of crystal on its eyes)
Slurpuff: Lick
Espeon: Power Gem
Golduck: Power Gem
Rhydon: Aerial Ace
Empoleon: Drill Run
 
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Sceptile Leaf Blade

Nighttime Guardian
Steelix should get Iron Defence
Aurorus should get Aurora Veil
Salazzle should get Sunny Day (seriously, it's the only fire type apart from Salandit, Oricorio, and Rotom-Heat that doesn't get it)
Mew should get Sketch (it's banned in rated battles anyway, it can get a big buff, as its stats aren't amazing compared to the likes of Mega Rayquaza and Primal Groudon)
Celebi should get some kind of new Time Travel move, maybe one that rolls over all turn counts (like on weather, reflect, and so on) for a few turns (same reasoning as for Mew)
 

GarchompTheAssassin

Water starter fan
Garchomp - Dragon Dance
Blastoise, Samurott, Torterra - Shell Smash
Greninja - Flamethrower (apparently it resembles a fire breathing frog from some folk tale)
Aurorus - Power Gem, Aurora Veil (smh @ it not already having them)
Luxray - Poison Fang, Play Rough
Primarina - Boomburst
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
I think that Tapu Bulu needs to learn Play Rough. It just needs the physical Fairy STAB because the other Fairy moves that it could learn are Nature's Madness, which does damage equal to half the opponent's remaining HP, and Dazzling Gleam, which doesn't work too well with its base Special Attack stat.
 

raichu27

Well-Known Member
I think that Tapu Bulu needs to learn Play Rough. It just needs the physical Fairy STAB because the other Fairy moves that it could learn are Nature's Madness, which does damage equal to half the opponent's remaining HP, and Dazzling Gleam, which doesn't work too well with its base Special Attack stat.
I feel that way about Tapu Koko as well. It also has higher physical attack status.
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
I feel that way about Tapu Koko as well. It also has higher physical attack status.

Although I do agree too because its physical movepool is so shallow despite its higher base Attack stat, so I feel like that it should learn a wider variety of physical moves e.g. Ice Punch so that it could better hit Garchomp, a common Dragon type in the competitive scene for 4x super effective damage as opposed to 2x super effective damage with Fairy attacks (3x with STAB multiper).
 

Kirby Dragons

Well-Known Member
Why does no one ever mention Gallade not learning Sacred Sword?
 

Shine

Psyched Up
Staff member
Moderator
A long list I currently have

Aurorus: Power Gem, Aurora Veil
Dedenne, Brionne, Primarina: Draining Kiss
Dedenne: Dazzling Gleam
Primarina: Wish, Calm Mind, Recover, Boomburst
Crabominable: Ice Shard, Mach Punch, Bullet Punch
Zangoose: Cut
Ampharos: Tail Glow, Dazzling Gleam, Flash, Dragon Breath
Kyurem: Icicle Crash, Ice Shard, Earthquake
Cresselia: Surf
Diancie: Play Rough, Sacred Sword, Secret Sword, Flash Cannon, Energy Ball, Charge Beam
Meloetta: Play Rough, Sacred Sword, Secret Sword, Flash Cannon, Moonblast
Kirlia: Quiver Dance, Moonblast, Sacred Sword, Secret Sword, Flash Cannon
Gardevoir, Roserade, Flygon, Lumineon: Quiver Dance
Flygon: Bug Buzz, Boomburst (currently only Vibrava can learn these two moves)
Togedemaru: Smart Strike
Venusaur: Poison Jab
Pidgeot: Extreme Speed, Hyper Voice, Focus Blast
Umbreon: Payback (via level up), Toxic (also via level-up), Rock Smash, Trick Room, Moonblast
Espeon: Solar Beam
Happiny: Strength, Seismic Toss (currently only its evolutions gets Seismic Toss)
Forretress: Iron Head, Leech Life
Groudon: Heat Crash
Serperior: Superpower/Close Combat, Earthquake, Earth Power, Draco Meteor
Jumpluff: Gust/Air Cutter, Pollen Puff
Cottonee, Whimsicott: Pollen Puff
Ledian, Salamence: Air Cutter
Salamence: Air Slash
Tyrantrum: Outrage, Psychic Fangs
Braixen, Delphox: Thunderbolt, Energy Ball, Dragon Breath, Focus Blast, Icy Wind, Water Pulse
Shiftry: Forest's Curse, Leaf Blade (currently only Nuzleaf can learn Leaf Blade)
Weezing: Gunk Shot
Gastly, Haunter, Gengar: Smog, Poison Gas, Sludge
Gengar: Sludge Wave, Nasty Plot
Tapu Koko, Tapu Bulu: Play Rough, Ancient Power, Aura Sphere, Earth Power
Tapu Lele, Tapu Fini: Ancient Power, Aura Sphere, Earth Power
Clefable: Play Rough, Ancient Power
Wigglytuff: Moonblast, Hyper Voice
Togekiss: Moonblast, Energy Ball
Lilligant: Focus Blast, Dazzling Gleam, Moonblast, Earth Power, Shadow Ball, Weather Ball
Scrafty: Sucker Punch, Beat Up, Head Smash
Eelektrik, Eelektross: Thunder Fang, Leech Life
Empoleon: Slash, Night Slash
Goodra: Recover, Surf
Ferrothorn: Spiky Shield
Garbodor: Poison Jab, Rock Slide
Gible: Bite
Garchomp: Dragon Dance
Yanmega, Scyther, Garchomp: Fly
Yanmega: Dragon Pulse
Phantump, Trevenant: Shadow Sneak, Razor Leaf
Trevenant: Shadow Punch
Oricorio: Flamethrower, Flame Charge, Lava Plume, Shadow Ball, Shadow Sneak, Ominous Wind, Thunderbolt, Charge Beam, Thunder Punch, Psyshock, Psycho Cut, Psychic
Cosmog, Cosmoem: Tackle, Psywave, Confusion, Stored Power, Hidden Power, Rest
Cosmog: Cosmic Power
Pyukumuku: Aqua Jet, Mach Punch, Water Gun, Double Slap, Pound
Helioptile, Heliolisk: Sunny Day, Solarbeam, Flash Cannon, Dazzling Gleam
Swirlix, Slurpuff: Lick
Lunatone: Ancient Power
Solrock: Zen Headbutt (via level up), Flame Wheel
Kecleon, Mienshao: Power Whip
Drowzee, Hypno: Dream Eater (via level up)
Onix, Steelix: Head Smash, Dragon Rush, Coil, Iron Defense
Kingler, Seismitoad: Waterfall
Seismitoad: Liquidation
Typhlosion: Earth Power, Hyper Voice, Shadow Ball
Luxray: Play Rough, Flame Charge
Dusknoir: Phantom Force
Poliwrath: Drain Punch, Mach Punch, Superpower
Hydreigon: Coil, Dragon Hammer, Dragon Dance, Quiver Dance
Spearow, Fearow: Wing Attack
Growlithe: Growl, Lick
Rhyhorn: Tackle
Hawlucha: Brave Bird
Meowth, Persian: Covet (through level-up)
Murkrow, Honchkrow: Thief (through level-up)
Spinda: Superpower, Overheat
Milotic: Dazzling Gleam, Moonblast
Magikarp: Water Pulse (at like, level 50 or 90)
Gyarados: Aerial Ace
Machop, Machoke, Machamp: Mach Punch
Blastoise: Shell Smash
Kabutops: Earthquake, Shell Smash
Xerneas: Earth Power
Zygarde: Dragon Rush
Zekrom, Entei: Earthquake
Zapdos: Air Slash, Hurricane
Keldeo: Ice Beam, Icicle Crash, Energy Ball, Flash Cannon, Rock Slide
Tornadus: Ominous Wind, Silver Wind
Thundurus: Hurricane, Air Slash, Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Dragon Claw
Landorus: Hurricane, Air Slash, Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Wild Charge, Hyper Voice
Anorith, Armaldo: Surf, Dive
Yamask, Cofagrigus: Hypnosis, Yawn (why the hell they get Dream Eater but not Hypnosis or any other way to put opponent to sleep)
Sneasel, Weavile: Razor Wind
Lycanroc Midnight: Play Rough, Ancient Power, Head Smash, Acrobatics, Night Slash, Power Trip, Dark Pulse, Earthquake, Ice Fang, Wild Charge, Sandstorm
Lycanroc Midday & Dusk: Play Rough, Extremespeed, Agility, Earthquake, Ice Fang, Wild Charge, Sandstorm
Sawsbuck: Body Slam, Rock Climb, Zen Headbutt
Tauros: Body Slam, Headbutt, Rock Climb, Rock Smash
Lurantis: Bug Buzz, Air Slash, Superpower/Close Combat
Steenee: Acrobatics, Earth Power, Play Rough (via level-up), Brutal Swing
Steenee, Tsareena: Petal Blizzard, Play Rough (via level-up), Brutal Swing, Brick Break, Rock Slide, Stomping Tantrum
Buneary, Lopunny: Acrobatics, Play Rough, Brick Break
Lopunny: Close Combat
Kommo-o: Shell Smash, Quiver Dance, Close Combat, Aura Sphere, Surf
Zebstrika: High Horsepower
Gogoat: Grassy Terrain (via level-up)
Silvally: Waterfall, Bug Buzz, Ancient Power, Sludge Wave, Earthquake, Dazzling Gleam, Play Rough, Energy Ball, Seed Bomb, Zen Headbutt, Psychic, Psyshock, Dragon Pulse, Nasty Plot, Agility, Extremespeed, Wild Charge, Flame Charge, Leaf Blade, Knock Off, Earth Power, Giga Drain, Aura Sphere
Aerodactyl: Brave Bird, Head Smash
Inkay, Malamar: Octazooka, Sludge Bomb, Leech Life
Avalugg: Icicle Crash
Beartic, Snover, Abomasnow: Ice Hammer
Ekans, Arbok: Poison Fang (via level up), Poison Tail
Passimian: Barrage
Oranguru: Tri Attack
Buzzwole: Giga Drain, Strength
Blacephalon: Barrage, Signal Beam, Smart Strike, Energy Ball, Focus Blast, Brick Break
Alolan Raichu: Electric Terrain (via level up), Zen Headbutt, Surf
Alolan Sandshrew: Ice Shard, Rock Climb
Alolan Ninetales: Energy Ball (seriously, the regular Fire-type Ninetales gets this move yet its Alolan form, which makes more sense to have the move, doesn't?), Water Pulse
Alolan Exeggutor: Dragon Breath
Alolan Muk: Elemental fangs, Psychic Fangs
 

rocky505

Well-Known Member
Samurott got Sacred Sword in USUM Shine.
 

Shine

Psyched Up
Staff member
Moderator
Samurott got Sacred Sword in USUM Shine.

oops xD

Thanks, removing it now

I actually do know Samurott gets it in US/UM since I re-check the move availability on each Pokemon I listed (it was actually an old list that needs updating) before posting it here, guess I simply forgot to remove it from the list.
 

Tsukuyomi56

Emblian Royalty
Why Incineroar does not get Sucker Punch is a bit baffling. Heel wrestlers are all about playing dirty so surprise attacks isn't out of Incineroar's element.
 

Sceptile Leaf Blade

Nighttime Guardian
Cosmoem also already gets Cosmic Power. It's one of the bulkiest pokémon in the game with it and Eviolite, it just lacks recovery or other moves.
 

Weavy

I come and go suddenly
I'm gonna do a UB edition here:

Stakataka can't learn Heavy Slam

This thing is one of the heaviest Pokémon in the game and I thought it would get this, but apparently not. It looks like it can crash into things with its heavy body, so it would make sense.

Buzzwole can't learn Giga Drain

It's UB Absorption. It steals things energy. But can't lean Giga Drain, which is like one the most basic absorbing moves. Giga Drain doesn't benefit it, but it does make sense to learn it.

Celesteela can't learn Worry Seed


This thing is a pseudo-plant which learns many Grass type moves. One would have expected it to get Worry Seed from tutors, but for some reason it doesn't. They can give it LEECH SEED, but not Worry Seed? It's a bit baffling.
 

Shine

Psyched Up
Staff member
Moderator
Cosmoem also already gets Cosmic Power. It's one of the bulkiest pokémon in the game with it and Eviolite, it just lacks recovery or other moves.

Noted, I'll edit Cosmog-Cosmoem's entry on my list.

I need to edit the list anyway, I forgot to add one more thing, despite Tauros' use as Rock Smash replacement in Alola, it can't learn the move at all in Gen 7, as there is no tutor or TM for the move. So I think it should have been able to learn the move via level up.
 

Pikachu Fan Number Nine

Don't Mess wit Texas
I think the Pikachu line should learn Bite since as their real-life counterparts as rodents must gnaw on hard surfaces constantly to keep their incisors from growing too big.

I also want to see Scizor learn Crabhammer its pincers are not unlike those of a crab and it should have a way to overcome its Fire double weakness.

All mammal-like Pokemon should have Milk Drink (since baby mammals drink milk)

Growlithe and Arcanine should learn Lick (since dogs like their owners in excitement, like Growlie does with James)
 
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Gamzee Makara

Flirtin' With Disaster
Why don't Sneasel and Weavile learn Razor Wind? They're literally Kamatatchi!

Why can't Malamar Learn Leech Life? It's a VAMPIRE squid!
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
It's quite baffling how Lycanroc can't learn Sandstorm given that almost all Rock-type Pokémon can learn it.
 
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