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My semi-competitive team

Discussion in 'Older Gen RMT' started by Superpower22, Jan 30, 2013.

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  1. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Well, here goes:

    Empoleon @ life orb
    252 sp.atk, 120 spd, 136 atk
    Hydro pump
    Ice beam
    HP fire
    Aqua jet

    I chose empoleon mainly for it's typing. Steel gets lots of resistances, and water is the first part of my FWG core. Hydro pump hits like a truck, and aqua jet helps my team with it's lack of priority. Ice beam hits dragons and grasses. HP fire OHKOs Scizor, and is the main point of the set. The EVs outrun and Guarantee the KO on Scizor. Thanks to Blue Harvest for set, EVs, and nature suggestions.

    Latias @ lefties
    252 sp.atk and speed, 4 HP
    Calm mind
    Dragon pulse

    Calm mind latias. This thing sweeps so well, it's not even funny. I chose it for a nice sweeper that can take out skarm. One CM, and sweep. But because of it's decent typing, I find mself getting off 2-3 CMs regularly. Thunderbolt for coverage, hitting skarm and other steels neutrally. D-pulse and psyshock for STAB. I use dragon pulse over draco meteor because of draco meteor's stat drops.

    Heatran @ air balloon
    252 HP, 252 sp.def, 4 def
    Flash fire
    Stealth rock
    Lava plume
    Iron defense

    This thing sets up rocks and phases. I chose it for a sun counter, and it works well at it's job. Earth power hits foe Heatran. This is the second poke of my FWG core. It works very well to complement Azumarrill, both offensively and defensively. It gives nice resistances and a select immunity to fire, which is nice for Virizion. If I didn't have this thing, the team would be super weak to dragon.

    Virizion @ lefties
    252 atk, 252 speed, 4 HP
    Leaf blade
    Swords dance
    Sacred sword
    Quick attack/reflect

    Final part of my FWG core, and probably my favorite on the team. It just works so well. I chose it for a rain counter as well as a sweeper. It is my other setup sweeper. Set up one swords dance and boom, sweep. I figured sacred sword was better than CC for a more defensive set, thus, the nature. Quick attack helps because I often find myself wishing I had more priority on my team. Reflect works if I've got extra turns that I don't want to SD on for some reason. Very nice for switching into dark attacks aimed at Latias as well. Just love this poke.

    Gliscor @ toxic orb
    Poison heal
    252 HP and atk, 4 spd

    Originally, I had defensive Scizor here. But after a couple of battles, it became clear that it was the weak link. So I decided on one of the best physical walls in the game: Gliscor. With toxic orb and poison heal, Gliscor can absorb status and heal at the same time. Protect is to let the orb kick in, as well as get some healing from poison heal. Roost heals you even more, while getting rid of that atrocious 4x weakness to ice. Substitute forms the infamous SubRoost combo, which is feared for obvious reasons. Earthquake is a nice, powerful STAB, as wll as an actual attack so that you are not taunt bait.

    Blissey @ lefties
    Natural cure
    252 HP and sp.def, 4 sp.atk
    Thunder wave
    Ice beam/seismic toss if possible

    Dual status support Bliss. I chose her because I needed a special wall to compliment scizor. Ice beam so you're not taunt bait, softboiled for dem healz, and dual status to cripple stuff. I would like to note that it struggles with Reuniclus, as well as anything immune to toxic. That's why I wish I had access to emerald for seismic toss.

    So yeah, that's pretty much it! Note: I don't play too competitively, mostly just with my friend (hence the title). But I still want my team as competitive as possible. Just without the minor nitpicks.
    Edit: Sorry for no pics. Maybe someone could tell me how to do the animated 5th gen sprite things?
    Edit 2: Mods, let me know if I don't have enough description on my pokes. I'll be happy to add more if need be.
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2013
  2. Ghosts of the Forums

    Ghosts of the Forums Who Ya Gonna Call?

    Seismic toss > ice beam on bliss, it's generally more useful but ice beam is good too.

    Give azumarill adamant, it doesn't need to take hits, it's an attacker, a bulky one, not a wall.

    I'm not even sure if this follows all the rules.

    Good luck.
  3. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Thanks, I'll try that if I use a simulator. I put ice beam because I don't have access to emerald for seismic toss. And yeah, I hope I'm not breking any rules. Kinda new to the site lol
    Edit: Some more description, just in case.
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2013
  4. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Anybody else?
    Oh and uh, bump
    Sorry for the double-post
  5. Atrocious

    Atrocious Well-Known Member

    Choice Band > Muscle and Aqua Jet > Superpower or Ice Punh depending on what you want to hit. I'd recommend Superpower as Water + Normal has excellent coverage.

    Protect or Earth Power > Iron defense on Heatran. EQs will still demolish it regardless of a boost and change the nature to Calm or Bold.

    I think Wish pass Blissey would be better for this team.

    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure
    Nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk)
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Seismic Toss
    - Toxic
  6. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Alright, thank you. I will change Azumarrill and heatran. However, I'm not going to use wish pass Bliss because I don't have access.
  7. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Sorry if this comes off mean, but please read the post right above yours.
  8. Ghosts of the Forums

    Ghosts of the Forums Who Ya Gonna Call?

    trade for it. unless you are one of those destined-to-fail-impossible-to-deal-with ot nazis/no legendary noobs.
  9. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Uhh... Well, to tell you the truth, I am pretty good with GTS negotiations, so I'll see what I can do. If I get it, I'll edit the OP. But only if I get it. Besides, my current Bliss works really well on this team, believe it or not.
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2013
  10. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Made some changes that I want people to see. Sorry for double posting.
  11. loco1234


    If you need to get a specific Pokemon, join a clan and get it from their shop. They can give you Shiny, non-Shiny, flawless IVs, a specific Hidden Power type, anything legal really.
  12. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    Try this Empoleon instead...

    Empoleon (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Torrent
    EVs: 136 Atk / 252 SAtk / 120 Spd
    Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Aqua Jet
    - Ice Beam / Grass Knot
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Outruns Scizor and OHKOs it. Hydro Pump hits about as hard as Latios's Draco Meteor so it packs a punch. Aqua Jet is nice for finishing off a damaged Volcarona or Terrakion. Ice Beam takes down Dragons without much effort but Grass Knot also works to beat Jellicent and Gastrodon. Your set uses wasteful EVs and misses out on some important speed tiers. Drill Peck is also useless. Empoleon isn't too bad in OU if used well.
  13. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Thanks, I'll use that Empoleon, Blue Harvest!
  14. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Sorry for double-post!
  15. Atrocious

    Atrocious Well-Known Member

    Is Aqua Jet even useful tbh? Seems like a waste of a moveslot and EVs as what BH mentioned it can take a weakened Terrakion and Volcorana but the team handles Terrakion pretty well with Gliscor, Latios, and Virizion being able to take it out and Volcorana gets walled by Heatran, at least the Roost variants do. So I really don't see the point of it.
  16. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    I like it because my team lacks other priority moves.
  17. Atrocious

    Atrocious Well-Known Member

    Get that but devoting all those EVs and a nature that hinders your defenses for a move that won't hit hard outside of rain, IMO the gain doesn't outweigh the loss.
  18. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    The point of Aqua Jet, besides checking Volcarona and Terrakion, is to pick off things that just barely survive your other moves. For example a Latios will always live through a LO Ice Beam, but an Aqua Jet in most cases will finish it off. The same goes for Jolteon, Metagross, Specially Defensive Heatran, and others.

    Grass Knot is a usable move over Aqua Jet but it is mostly just good for Gyarados and Jellicent.
  19. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    Finally, I can bump the thread without double posting!
  20. Superpower22

    Superpower22 Member

    PS: Darn double posts!
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