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We are so back Zygardebros
Lmao @keepitsimple and @Dragalge's type of humor never fails to get me
What part? Where they persecute dub fans?Lmao @keepitsimple and @Dragalge's type of humor never fails to get me
Yes. Even though I'm neutral on this subject (I couldn't care less about which language of a cartoon any of you watch), I still find it funny. It's just part of how they convey their thoughts. Nothing personalWhat part? Where they persecute dub fans?
While I'm concerned how you can dismiss uncalled-for hatred for a whole group of a fandom as just being "part of how they convey their thoughts", I'm glad you don't parttake in it yourself.Yes. Even though I'm neutral on this subject (I couldn't care less about which language of a cartoon any of you watch), I still find it funny. It's just part of how they convey their thoughts. Nothing personal
Well, I don't justify the act of hating on one's preference, I'm more so with the how they convey themselves. Not so much what they're conveying.While I'm concerned how you can dismiss uncalled-for hatred for a whole group of a fandom as just being "part of how they convey their thoughts", I'm glad you don't parttake in it yourself.
Paid translators still make mistakes. Paid translators working on a strict time-crunch even more so. And really, this is the first real mistranslation I can remember hearing about since, oh... the "Lotion" thing in the Morelull episode? Unless you count the part where they said that Ash had cleared his Akala Island Trials, plural, after he'd only done one. And both of those are significantly less noteworthy than this one. So on the whole, their track record is pretty solid.
Pikachu Fan Number Nine said:I haven't seen the episode yet, but Lycanroc defeating Sableye and Krookodile to me shows the superiority of mammalian Pokemon. And beating Persian? Well dogs are supposed to beat cats.
Yeah see... From where I'm standing this sounds far more implausible than just "The dub got it wrong". Because this whole "Pre-Trial" thing was literally nothing more than Kuchinashi being lazy and wanting Satoshi to go away as quickly as possible. He tried to dismiss him with an unofficial battle putting in the bare minimum effort, when that failed and he came back insisting on getting an actual Trial, he gave him one but again just put in the bare minimum effort by handing the entire responsibility off to Team Rocket, and then the only part he didn't skimp on was the Grand Trial itself. Because he couldn't slack off on that. And weren't you the one complaining that him not giving a proper Trial beforehand was a plot-hole? I find it far easier to believe that the dub-writers, who have been known to making errors from time to time, misinterpreted the line rather than that the Japanese writers somehow managed to both miss a crucial word (several times over, mind you) and contradict the show's internal logic in the process. The latter to me seems to demand quite a few more assumptions than the former.I know, mistakes do happen, I'm just saying that we shouldn't automatically assume they made a mistake. If the Japanese and English seem to imply two different things, and it's possible to find a way were both can be right, then that should be the correct interpretation. In this case, it could be said that Nanu was just leaving the "pre" part out in the Japanese because it was implied. Then the translators, knowing the intention of the original writers, added in the "pre." In this case, both the original and dub can be correct, without making any crazy assumptions. Not saying it absolutely wasn't a mistake, but it wasn't absolutely a mistake either.
to be fair, nanu even slacked off of the grand trial, making it a 3v1 and trying to taunt ash into defeat throughout the fight instead of actually fightingYeah see... From where I'm standing this sounds far more implausible than just "The dub got it wrong". Because this whole "Pre-Trial" thing was literally nothing more than Kuchinashi being lazy and wanting Satoshi to go away as quickly as possible. He tried to dismiss him with an unofficial battle putting in the bare minimum effort, when that failed and he came back insisting on getting an actual Trial, he gave him one but again just put in the bare minimum effort by handing the entire responsibility off to Team Rocket, and then the only part he didn't skimp on was the Grand Trial itself. Because he couldn't slack off on that. And weren't you the one complaining that him not giving a proper Trial beforehand was a plot-hole? I find it far easier to believe that the dub-writers, who have been known to making errors from time to time, misinterpreted the line rather than that the Japanese writers somehow managed to both miss a crucial word (several times over, mind you) and contradict the show's internal logic in the process. The latter to me seems to demand quite a few more assumptions than the former.
Yeah see... From where I'm standing this sounds far more implausible than just "The dub got it wrong". Because this whole "Pre-Trial" thing was literally nothing more than Kuchinashi being lazy and wanting Satoshi to go away as quickly as possible. He tried to dismiss him with an unofficial battle putting in the bare minimum effort, when that failed and he came back insisting on getting an actual Trial, he gave him one but again just put in the bare minimum effort by handing the entire responsibility off to Team Rocket, and then the only part he didn't skimp on was the Grand Trial itself. Because he couldn't slack off on that.
And weren't you the one complaining that him not giving a proper Trial beforehand was a plot-hole?
I find it far easier to believe that the dub-writers, who have been known to making errors from time to time, misinterpreted the line rather than that the Japanese writers somehow managed to both miss a crucial word (several times over, mind you) and contradict the show's internal logic in the process.
The latter to me seems to demand quite a few more assumptions than the former.
He was fighting like a Dark-type trainer should, getting under his opponent's skin to throw them off-kilter and make mistakes so winning becomes easierto be fair, nanu even slacked off of the grand trial, making it a 3v1 and trying to taunt ash into defeat throughout the fight instead of actually fighting
I think this kinda confirms Torracat staying as is, while his last capture might also be confirmed.
Anyway, one thing which was really notable in this episode was the inconsistency in Nanu's Krookodile's power level considering how it was depicted in SM74. Was it truly the same Krookodile battling here? Hard to believe it TBH.
Lycanroc wasn't being bullied to the point of losing it this time.
If you have a strategy that doesn't work a second time, it can end up with a totally different result.
Wulfric's Avalugg is another example.
I do have to say I find this premise less of cop out than say the 'evolution DEM' cliche
Ah, so the red eyes things DID actually go somewhere. Well played SM. Well played.
I don't think it's cheating to be given a sitrus berry in the middle of the battle, especially after Namu had put Ash into a major disadvantage making it so that Ash would have to take out three of Nanu's Pokémon using only Lycanroc.
if they had more time,
Way to overhype Dusk Lycanroc while making Nanu into a weakling/another Roxie, writers.
just look at how Sableye instantly got eviscarated by Stone Edge
I didn't know Mean Look could cause temporal paralysis though.
This whole arc felt a bit rushed.
Okay, this isn't the first time this has happened, (I remember this being noticable for a stretch of XY&Z too) but... the show has been downright spamming insert-songs lately. At least it wasn't Mirai Connection again this time, but honestly Mezase Pokémon Master doesn't really work as a battle theme either, if you ask me. And anyway, having insert songs like, seven episodes in a row kinda diminishes their impact. But maybe that's just me.
Dark type specialist, not what we typically see from a Gym Leader or Kahuna.
No, they wanted Greninja to continue traveling with Ash, even in Alola, sweeping those tapu guardians & trial captains with the awesome Ash-Greninja transformations, and tell Zygarde "No! I OWN Greninja and we saved the world together. If it wasn't for me you would have stayed as a Team Flare's slave, so you don't deserve the Pokemon. And the evil roots were all because of you and your brother, so you fix your mess by yourselves. Screw you!". I'm pretty sure those fans would drool with that kind of scenario.
Nanu’s provocation would have any significant affect on Ash’s battling judgement especially when they were a far cry away from the nuance and intricacies of Paul’s battle psychology.
At least Lycanroc was a badass this episode cementing his spot in Ash’s TOP 6 (a.k.a GPICSS is now GPLICS with Snorlax kicked out).
Yeah agreed that his Poni trial will also play an important role in determining where he stands though though I don’t agree Ash is generally at most impressive in terms of skill in the last gym battles. In DP and XY for example I’d argue that in terms of pure skill (so no bond power induced transformations like special Blaze and A-G) Ash’s battles with Fantina (a.k.a counter-shield the battle) and Olympia (a.k.a best double battle in the series) respectively were his best gym battles. Even in BW I’d rate Brycen as his best gym battle performance (it’s the only BW gym battle where I thought Ash showed signs of his DP self). Johto and Hoenn are the ones where yeah I’d agree that vs Clair and vs Juan were his best gym battle showings in those series. Given that SM Ash hasn’t really had a standout gym battle performance in SM (I think his best skill feat to date in SM was actually against Misty), you’re right that the Poni trial needs to deliver from a tactical standpoint if SM Ash is to be ranked on the higher end of Ash’s incarnations in terms of skill.
it still perplexes me that Mean Look can do that, temporary or not.
and of course on a personal nitpick, Nanu's comment to Ash about him not being suited to the dark.
This is the same show where a floating shrimp is able to use Heal Pulse on itself. Maybe it doesn’t excuse the whole Mean Look thing but they have never fully cared about following game logic.Yeah what an absolute joke. Classic making up new rules on the spot by the anime writers. Mean Look should have no effect in a battle where Ash is already down to his last Pokémon anyway. smh[
All 3 times that's happened were in BW, and the only time Ash got a free Berry in the middle of a gym battle was also in BW, so even if this is a better copout, it's only better than BW, not anything else, despite the fact that @dman_dustin wanted Frogadier to evolve against Olympia for some reason and went on a massive rant in that episode's thread (XY93).
They could have just given it a move that actually paralyzes. Why use Mean Look of all things?This is the same show where a floating shrimp is able to use Heal Pulse on itself. Maybe it doesn’t excuse the whole Mean Look thing but they have never fully cared about following game logic.
I was just specifically talking about what you mentioned in your post, that being DEM evolutions.Well the earlier gyms were filled with all sorts of other cop outs like 'Thunder Armour' or TR interruptions.
An insert song is when an anime inserts a song with vocals inside an actual episode (as in, not the opening or ending). These songs can be the opening or ending songs, remixes of those, or even completely custom songs written specifically for that moment. Anime usually use it to convey extra hype (with the opening songs usually) or to make a moment extra special. Litten's capture episode for instance had a custom insert song in Japanese about how Litten slowly cheers back up due to the smiles it receives from others around it (implied to be Ash and his pokémon). Dubs often don't adopt insert songs, I don't think pokémon ever does.What's an insert song? (I only watch the dub)
Wow it frankly seems to me that it would be a bit annoying to have vocals playing. Do they ever do it when there are other actual vocals being said in-universe so that words from the song and spoken words are overlapping?I don't mind them using Mean Look like this. It traps, makes sense that it hinders motion. Absol's Mean Look in the Aether arc also hindered Umbreon and Lycanroc if I recall correctly. They also changed how Stealth Rock works for Olivia's Grand Trial.
An insert song is when an anime inserts a song with vocals inside an actual episode (as in, not the opening or ending). These songs can be the opening or ending songs, remixes of those, or even completely custom songs written specifically for that moment. Anime usually use it to convey extra hype (with the opening songs usually) or to make a moment extra special. Litten's capture episode for instance had a custom insert song in Japanese about how Litten slowly cheers back up due to the smiles it receives from others around it (implied to be Ash and his pokémon). Dubs often don't adopt insert songs, I don't think pokémon ever does.