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Then we stop posting in it, act as though it never existed, and let be bumped off the face of the Earth, never to rear it's terrible face again.
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Hey guys. I posted another thread like this one on the shipping section since people say it should be moved but no one will move it. So if you guys want to go there instead or continue it here, go ahead. I also added sasusaku as an option to the poll.
Looks like someone finally got something right.
Now someone just close this sh!tty thread.
And you found yourself replying back.
It showed positive development. ^_^
And I care because?
You implied it.
But when talking ROMANCE [which is the topic here in this thread], Naruto can fall for Hinata for the same reason he originally liked Sakura.
But by your logic, Hinata already has brownie points. She gave Naruto the respect he deserved back when he was a loser. It took Sakura about 100 chapters.
And Naruto does not "want" Sakura. Not a goal. Get your facts straight.
Hinata would not be a consolation prize. If NaruHina happens it will be because he loves her.
But whose to say Naruto would not be a "second best" because Sakura could not get Sasuke? See, it goes both ways so do not even try.
Um, yes they do.
Most of the time. I've already explained this. I'm not going to do so again. Having someone else pound it into their heads is not good for a relationship in general.
Because it's true. I didn't say he was going to copy him completely. There are some differences. But we've seen the parallels.
All you're really doing is attacking NaruHina fans instead of trying to actually counter my arguments. By doing that, you've already lost. How about countering some of my real arguments with this MANGA instead of "Kishi will go the typical shounen way" when I already disproved that with various examples?
I wasn't using it as a real example in shounen. I was using it as a fact that not EVERYTHING [including very very popular book series] are main male/female or whatever.
He's never made undying love to Sakura either. The only confession we've had was Sakura to Sasuke. And that will stay. Nothing has alluded to Sakura letting her feelings go.
However, you want to go deeper?
Naruto makes promises for everyone. It's his character. But what is different about his to Hinata?
Blood. In Naruto, blood signifies a profound connection between people.
Hidan/Asuma is a perfect example. GikuHonishimo pretty much said what I would have, but I'll add this: In this series, blood signifies a connection between people.
When Hidan caught Asuma's blood on his scythe and tasted it, the two of them were connected. It was a blood bond.
Back in chapter one, against Mizuki, Iruka's blood fell on Naruto's face. A blood connection between a student and teacher was made. And we all know how deep Iruka and Naruto's relationship is.
After Naruto gave Hinata that blood promise, her reaction during his fight with Neji was "No... Naruto" - Symbolizing care, as she coughs up blood. It just seems to be Kishi's tactic/literary device.
And no. Naruto wouldn't make a blood oath to anyone. He did it for Hinata and Hinata alone.
Another example? Now, as we all have observed, Kishi's literary device in this series is blood. How blood symbolizes a connection between others. Naruto had made a vow on his own blood back in the wave country arc. He swore on his own blood with his own need to stop running. [Team 7 was the example of being useless at the time] Even if you believe Naruto made a 'blood vow' back then, with the blood oath in chuunin, he swore on Hinata's blood for her sake, not his or anyone elses'. They're different situations.
In a way, yes he is connected to his team with that vow. That only makes the NaruHina blood vow even more important, simply because Team 7 has a very important bond. Well, if a blood vow was made for them, and the same was made for Naruto and Hinata, wouldn't NaruHina be considered important too?
"Hinata... I promise you..." He wouldn't do that for just anyone.
This series is not all about what is "obvious" to the eye. Unlike your pathetic Pokemon series.
Typical Hinata hater, are you?
Development =/= screentime.
Not an exaggeration. Fact.
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4980/naruto98021sa5.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6269/naruto98121mp0.jpg
Only took one arc.
She does care for him. But not romantically. ^_^
Again, development =/= screentime.
Do I really have to explain again as to why and how Naruto could fall for Hinata? Seriously. Re-read my post.
Naruto's goal was NEVER to win Sakura. It is to become Hokage and gain ACKNOWLEDGMNET. [though, Sakura's was actually to win Sasuke's heart. haha]
But if you go by your own logic, I guess Sakura will never get over Sasuke. Because it is her "lifelong wish" for him to return.
Keep telling yourself that.
Again, we do not have to prove Sakura loves Sasuke. You have to prove the opposite. But you can't. ^^
Uh, yes? Those pairings are canon.
No, I knew what you meant. But I twisted it to work in my favor. In which, it does.
And you like to insult people. That is actually very typical of a NaruSaku fan.
Hinata has already proven she can disagree with Naruto. She disagreed with him in Chapter 98, calling him NOT weak. Which is a POSITIVE thing.
I guess you are a guy that would be a doormat.
For the record, Just because NaruSaku has DIFFERENT “development” from pairings such as NaruHina or SasuSaku [ShikaTema, SasuNaru, or whatever] doesn’t mean it has more. It only means NARUSAKU FANS who support their pairing over NaruHina/SasuSaku/SasuNaru, LIKE their “development” type better.
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Boredom. And lulz from delusional shippers. Duh.
Tell me, when one person highly commends another in real life, and they do this only once, and honestly never hold any meaningful conversations, if any, with that person again, are they destined to be together?
Because that's what you are.
******** I implied it.
Yeah, except with over three hundred and fifty or so chapters in, he never once realized this with Hinata, and he already realized this with Sakura. HM, I WONDER IF KISHIMOTO WANTED TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING EARLY ON?
The heck? Stalking them and never letting them know that you give a damn about them, letting them be miserable for the first twelve years of their life is "giving them respect"?
Took far less, unless you want to ignore every single instance when Kishimoto decided to slow the manga down and do the typical "OMG, Naruto is really like this...!"/"I don't want him to lose his dream...!" moments.
Don't tell me to get my facts straight when you can even understand the manga's intent. He doesn't "want" her? Yeah, even though he likes her, and it's been his intention for a good long time to go out with her, it just can't be a goal. No way hur hur.
Lee: Hey, Naruto.
Naruto: What is it, Lee, who should really be the main character?
Lee: Hinata likes you.
Naruto: OH SNAPS, I'm gonna suddenly grow hawt for a girl that I've only spent a few minutes with in my entire life and give up ever going out with the girl that I've liked for years!
Sakura's image of Naruto has changed. It has been a focus of over three hundred chapters. Naruto's image of Hinata has changed over the course of practically a hundredth of that.
Yeah, we never see the typical shounen couple never argue, except in Rave Master, and Kekkaishi, and Alive, and Claymore, and D.Gray-man, and O-Parts Hunter/666 Satan, and Rurouni Kenshin, and Full Metal Panic!
Yeah, all those exceptions are above because "Naruto is gonna be different you'll see that Kishimoto will pull the rug out from under you EVEN THOUGH HIS MANGA IS RIDICULOUSLY PREDICTABLE."
And Kishimoto was also influenced by Domu. Either way, comparisons are arbitrary.
Playing the victim card? Oh please.
Yeah, that statement has a lot of credibility.
You disproved it? Uh-huh, tell yourself that, hon.
And it's not like I've ever cited back to any examples and have been paying attention to the manga and used a, "Well, see, Hinata's had one part in a relatively small arc for development with Naruto while Sakura's opinion of him has changed, and going with the constant theme in the series of others' opinions of the title character changing, it is likely that we shall see them end up together at the end."
Because not everything is a shounen manga where the main male protagonist is interested in the main female protagonist, and since this is aimed at boys, we're likely to see the pairing happen if any romance does go down.
Oh now this is just plain stupid.
The main theme is about the underdog winning out and gaining recognition. This is a concept as old as time itself. The underdog here is Naruto. He was never respected, and even when he was it was by people who never showed it. Yet we see him change. It is those closest to him that make him change. Sasuke, Sakura, and Kakashi are the ones with the most profound impact on him, and we see this when Naruto compares how people have come to care for him when Gaara has been all alone. They, along with Iruka, are the ones who have caused Naruto to change, and Sasuke and Sakura are the ones who have changed the most due to his actions. He has changed the perception of him with so many people ala the "main character *****-slap" method.
Naruto is about the most ridiculed and persecuted underdog gradually earning the respect and love that he deserves. Kishimoto focuses on those who have changed around him because of him.
... Do you realize who you're debating against? "Unlike your pathetic Pokémon series"? I couldn't care less about the Pokémon anime or manga. I'm going to come off as a bit of an elitist when I say this, but what the hey: I have read and watched countless stories that are reach beyond the usual drivel found in types like Naruto. Mah mad nerd skillz has allowed me to become very knowledgeable of different mediums, particularly anime/manga, and I'm all too familiar with the developments that so many generic series follow. It is quite likely that I am far more critical and discerning of a story than you are.
Yeah, forgive me for not liking a stereotypically shy, young female character who's already fulfilled her purpose that all pathetic males with no balls masturbate to.
... You're really grasping at straws, ain'tcha?
Tell me, Hinata has had a rather low amount of screentime, even for a secondary character, and so where do you see the development that is apparently going to be so influential on the title character? Two comments from the main character? Oh, and by the by, Kishimoto could've had some interaction between your beloved pair in this current arc, and has yet to do so. In fact, it is quite unlikely at this point in time.
Yeah, and it only took one arc for Naruto to change his view of Gaara, too.
Burden of proof. You say that she doesn't, yet you have no proof.
By giving the pair some development. And yet Kishimoto continues to neglect. Oh, well, gee now...
Can you read? Where did I say that it is his main goal? A character can only have one goal now in fiction? Oh my, what a world.
Yeah, and this manga's thematic narrative is all about that.
The manga is about changing perceptions. Kishimoto has also taken a dualist route to show that Naruto's path in life is a better one than Sasuke's. You are still not understanding what the hell this series is about.
IRONY.
Also, when did I ever assert that it's impossible that Sakura doesn't care for Sasuke anymore?
Goku/Bulma and Yusuke/Botan are canon? Oh my, how you forget the context and contradict yourself.
No, you still are understanding what I am getting at, evidently.
Naw, I just get some kicks out of seeing shippers get a rise about debating over a romance in a series that isn't about romance.
Which I and numerous others around here who say that the pairing will happen are not. We see the facts. You do not have to be a shipper to do that.
Oh yeah, that's really keeping him in line and showing that she has the self-confidence and attitude that meshes well with him uh huh.
So I'm a doormat because of an inane logical leap from your viewpoint, I hate the submissive girl stereotype, and I see a generic shounen romance developing? Oh lawd.
I hate all of them and I don't like any development better, I simply see it as it is. I take a less subjective stance on the matter, which gives more credibility than the blind assertions from shippers.
I also want to note that I'm probably not replying again, just because it's going to end up as more blind retorts from your side stating that you've won and still not understanding what I'm stating or what the thematic narrative in Naruto is about, with annoying little asides complimented by an obnoxious emoticon.
Boredom. And lulz from delusional shippers. Duh.
Tell me, when one person highly commends another in real life, and they do this only once, and honestly never hold any meaningful conversations, if any, with that person again, are they destined to be together?
Because that's what you are.
******** I implied it.
Yeah, except with over three hundred and fifty or so chapters in, he never once realized this with Hinata, and he already realized this with Sakura. HM, I WONDER IF KISHIMOTO WANTED TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING EARLY ON?
The heck? Stalking them and never letting them know that you give a damn about them, letting them be miserable for the first twelve years of their life is "giving them respect"?
Took far less, unless you want to ignore every single instance when Kishimoto decided to slow the manga down and do the typical "OMG, Naruto is really like this...!"/"I don't want him to lose his dream...!" moments.
Don't tell me to get my facts straight when you can even understand the manga's intent. He doesn't "want" her? Yeah, even though he likes her, and it's been his intention for a good long time to go out with her, it just can't be a goal. No way hur hur.
Lee: Hey, Naruto.
Naruto: What is it, Lee, who should really be the main character?
Lee: Hinata likes you.
Naruto: OH SNAPS, I'm gonna suddenly grow hawt for a girl that I've only spent a few minutes with in my entire life and give up ever going out with the girl that I've liked for years!
Sakura's image of Naruto has changed. It has been a focus of over three hundred chapters. Naruto's image of Hinata has changed over the course of practically a hundredth of that.
Yeah, we never see the typical shounen couple never argue, except in Rave Master, and Kekkaishi, and Alive, and Claymore, and D.Gray-man, and O-Parts Hunter/666 Satan, and Rurouni Kenshin, and Full Metal Panic!
Yeah, all those exceptions are above because "Naruto is gonna be different you'll see that Kishimoto will pull the rug out from under you EVEN THOUGH HIS MANGA IS RIDICULOUSLY PREDICTABLE."
And Kishimoto was also influenced by Domu. Either way, comparisons are arbitrary.
Playing the victim card? Oh please.
Yeah, that statement has a lot of credibility.
You disproved it? Uh-huh, tell yourself that, hon.
And it's not like I've ever cited back to any examples and have been paying attention to the manga and used a, "Well, see, Hinata's had one part in a relatively small arc for development with Naruto while Sakura's opinion of him has changed, and going with the constant theme in the series of others' opinions of the title character changing, it is likely that we shall see them end up together at the end."
Because not everything is a shounen manga where the main male protagonist is interested in the main female protagonist, and since this is aimed at boys, we're likely to see the pairing happen if any romance does go down.
Oh now this is just plain stupid.
The main theme is about the underdog winning out and gaining recognition. This is a concept as old as time itself. The underdog here is Naruto. He was never respected, and even when he was it was by people who never showed it. Yet we see him change. It is those closest to him that make him change. Sasuke, Sakura, and Kakashi are the ones with the most profound impact on him, and we see this when Naruto compares how people have come to care for him when Gaara has been all alone. They, along with Iruka, are the ones who have caused Naruto to change, and Sasuke and Sakura are the ones who have changed the most due to his actions. He has changed the perception of him with so many people ala the "main character *****-slap" method.
Naruto is about the most ridiculed and persecuted underdog gradually earning the respect and love that he deserves. Kishimoto focuses on those who have changed around him because of him.
... Do you realize who you're debating against? "Unlike your pathetic Pokémon series"? I couldn't care less about the Pokémon anime or manga. I'm going to come off as a bit of an elitist when I say this, but what the hey: I have read and watched countless stories that are reach beyond the usual drivel found in types like Naruto. Mah mad nerd skillz has allowed me to become very knowledgeable of different mediums, particularly anime/manga, and I'm all too familiar with the developments that so many generic series follow. It is quite likely that I am far more critical and discerning of a story than you are.
Yeah, forgive me for not liking a stereotypically shy, young female character who's already fulfilled her purpose that all pathetic males with no balls masturbate to.
... You're really grasping at straws, ain'tcha?
Tell me, Hinata has had a rather low amount of screentime, even for a secondary character, and so where do you see the development that is apparently going to be so influential on the title character? Two comments from the main character? Oh, and by the by, Kishimoto could've had some interaction between your beloved pair in this current arc, and has yet to do so. In fact, it is quite unlikely at this point in time.
Yeah, and it only took one arc for Naruto to change his view of Gaara, too.
Burden of proof. You say that she doesn't, yet you have no proof.
By giving the pair some development. And yet Kishimoto continues to neglect. Oh, well, gee now...
Can you read? Where did I say that it is his main goal? A character can only have one goal now in fiction? Oh my, what a world.
Yeah, and this manga's thematic narrative is all about that.
The manga is about changing perceptions. Kishimoto has also taken a dualist route to show that Naruto's path in life is a better one than Sasuke's. You are still not understanding what the hell this series is about.
IRONY.
Also, when did I ever assert that it's impossible that Sakura doesn't care for Sasuke anymore?
Goku/Bulma and Yusuke/Botan are canon? Oh my, how you forget the context and contradict yourself.
No, you still are understanding what I am getting at, evidently.
Naw, I just get some kicks out of seeing shippers get a rise about debating over a romance in a series that isn't about romance.
Which I and numerous others around here who say that the pairing will happen are not. We see the facts. You do not have to be a shipper to do that.
Oh yeah, that's really keeping him in line and showing that she has the self-confidence and attitude that meshes well with him uh huh.
I guess you are a guy that would be a doormat.
So I'm a doormat because of an inane logical leap from your viewpoint, I hate the submissive girl stereotype, and I see a generic shounen romance developing? Oh lawd.
I hate all of them and I don't like any development better, I simply see it as it is. I take a less subjective stance on the matter, which gives more credibility than the blind assertions from shippers.
I also want to note that I'm probably not replying again, just because it's going to end up as more blind retorts from your side stating that you've won and still not understanding what I'm stating or what the thematic narrative in Naruto is about, with annoying little asides complimented by an obnoxious emoticon.
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And when one person thinks another is annoying, constantly rejects their date offers, and is in love with someone else, are they destined to be together?
This will be your response: Oh, so people's feelings can't change? Sakura's view on Naruto has changed in the last 300+ chapters positively. She doesn't think he's annoying anymore, and she doesn't like Sasuke anymore.
My Response: So Naruto's feelings about Hinata can change too right?
So because Naruto's feelings for Sakura were revealed in the first chapter, it's canon? And When Sakura's feelings for Sasuke were revealed too? Wait, that's not possible.
She was Shy. It was a part of her charater and personallity. I doesn't mean she didn't care.
Naruhina will happen in the future, not the next chapter. After more development.
So counter our arguements then.
Yeah, Darkhope said "literary device" not main theme. Blood is a part of the series, not the whole. Try reading it rightt he next time.
Yeah, and Sakura is a noisy ***** who only likes guys who hate her (Sasuke) and doesn't do anything useful until chapter 270-something. See, I can blow things out of proportion too.
What about Asuma and Kurenai? They had a baby with almost 0 screentime.
Do you have proof that she does?
No, it's just a part of it.
There can be romance in a series that isn't all about romance, like this one for example.
Your overall response to this: OMG, you aren't getting it, this is a shonen manga, so Narusaku is canon. This is a blind retort, you don't see what's obvious, just look at the facts, they're there. I can't believe how desperate you are and how stupid you are to get worked up about a shipping that is never going to happen, blah, blah, blah.
It seems to me that your reasoning is that thiss is a shonn manga, and Naruhina has had little screentime. Well, since Sakura has been in every chapter naruto has been in, why isn't there a confession?
Satoshi
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(Note that I'm INDIFFERENT to Naruto pairings, and am only supporting the opinion I find more valid at the moment)
Which he hasn't since 300+ chapters, yet develops Sakura's view of Naruto? He has the chance to do it now, but hasn't. Which shows us that he's not interested in doing that.
I like how people use the "it will happen in the future" route just to escape the point. Let's say development was given on NaruHina's side while Sakura still hates Naruto and Naruto still has some feelings for her. Would the "it will happen in the future. After more development" statement be enough to hold?
You just can't seem to grasp that.
NOT countering your argument would be "Hahahaha, right. You're wrong. So shut the f*ck up."
... What?
And how is HellKorn saying that he doesn't like the type of character Hinata is "blowing things out of proportion"? Because she IS the stereotypical shy character, "stalks" her crush, doesn't do anything about it (and I'm not f*cking talking about the "future" here - I'm talking about the present), and served her purpose.
(Also note that males with no balls DO masturbate to Hinata. Have you SEEN how much fanart there is of her in the Naruto fandom? Disgusting.)
There's a difference between being an item off-screen, and rushing into an relationship which has had less development than Sasuke, which we could see with our EYES.
That's like saying they could've had the timeskip in the span of the first three chapters.
He could care less if NaruSaku is canon. He just thinks that NaruHina isn't possible at this point.
You're forgetting that it's up to Kishimoto to change Naruto's feelings towards Hinata.
Which he hasn't since 300+ chapters, yet develops Sakura's view of Naruto? He has the chance to do it now, but hasn't. Which shows us that he's not interested in doing that.
Please elaborate a little on that, because I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Even if she does HAVE respect and cared for Naruto, she didn't freakin' SHOW and GIVE him it most of the time.
And how would we know that for sure?
I like how people use the "it will happen in the future" route just to escape the point. Let's say development was given on NaruHina's side while Sakura still hates Naruto and Naruto still has some feelings for her. Would the "it will happen in the future. After more development" statement be enough to hold?
HE HAS COUNTERED YOUR ARGUMENTS SINCE THE THREAD STARTED.
You just can't seem to grasp that.
NOT countering your argument would be "Hahahaha, right. You're wrong. So shut the f*ck up."
Literary devices refers to specific aspects of literature, in the sense of its universal function as an art form which expresses ideas through language, or with regard to a particular work, which we can recognize, identify, interpret and/or analyze. Both literary elements and literary techniques can rightly be called literary devices.
... What?
And Hinata hasn't done anything special either ever since she was first introduced.
And how is HellKorn saying that he doesn't like the type of character Hinata is "blowing things out of proportion"? Because she IS the stereotypical shy character, "stalks" her crush, doesn't do anything about it (and I'm not f*cking talking about the "future" here - I'm talking about the present), and served her purpose.
(Also note that males with no balls DO masturbate to Hinata. Have you SEEN how much fanart there is of her in the Naruto fandom? Disgusting.)
Doesn't apply to a relationship with THE main character, who has had ALOT of screentime mostly WITHOUT Hinata.
There's a difference between being an item off-screen, and rushing into an relationship which has had less development than Sasuke, which we could see with our EYES.That's like saying they could've had the timeskip in the span of the first three chapters.
Even if he doesn't, there's still the fact that there's NO proof that Sakura doesn't care about Naruto romantically. That's an opinion and shouldn't be stated as if it was a fact.
SARCASM.
He never said it didn't...
DOES HE NEED TO SAY IT AGAIN?
He could care less if NaruSaku is canon. He just thinks that NaruHina isn't possible at this point.
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Alright, I must have sounded like an *** in the last post, so from now on I'll try to stick to the facts. But what I don't get about Narusaku fans is that they disregard the fact that Sakura loves Sasuke. So their arguement to that is that Sakura has gotten over Sasuke in part two, but there is no evidence that suggests Sakura doesn't love Sasuke. In fact, when Sai insulted Sasuke, she got very angry with him. Which would suggest that she still cares very deeply for him.
And I know Sakura cares more about Naruto in part two, but it isn't love. Because if it was love, why does Sakura still reject Naruto when he asks her on a date?
And when they make the arguement that since Naruhina has had so little screen time, it's not likely to happen. But since Narusaku has had so much screen time, wouldn't Narusaku have been confirmed by now? It has been 365 chapters now, wouldn't Kishimoto have done it by now?
You see, the arguement you use to disprove Naruhina, can be used to disprove Narusaku.
When Hellkorn said that Kishimoto was trying to establish something early on, I said that because both Narusaku and Sasusaku were established in the first chapter, that meant they would both have to be "canon" (or whatever you two want to call it) by Hellkorn's logic; which is impossible.
And I know Sakura cares more about Naruto in part two, but it isn't love. Because if it was love, why does Sakura still reject Naruto when he asks her on a date?
And when they make the arguement that since Naruhina has had so little screen time, it's not likely to happen. But since Narusaku has had so much screen time, wouldn't Narusaku have been confirmed by now? It has been 365 chapters now, wouldn't Kishimoto have done it by now?
You see, the arguement you use to disprove Naruhina, can be used to disprove Narusaku.
When Hellkorn said that Kishimoto was trying to establish something early on, I said that because both Narusaku and Sasusaku were established in the first chapter, that meant they would both have to be "canon" (or whatever you two want to call it) by Hellkorn's logic; which is impossible.
Satoshi
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I think it's because Kishimoto really isn't focusing on romance during this part of the manga - it feels like he's trying to focus on the action more. Besides, Naruto doesn't seem like the type of manga to really go into romance just yet - And I doubt any pairing that involves the main characters, mainly Naruto, will come true during the story like most manga published in Weekly Jump! comics.
I believe he didn't mean establishing something early on in the first few chapters. Read it again, and you'll see that he's talking about "Yeah, except with over three hundred and fifty or so chapters in, he never once realized this with Hinata, and he already realized this with Sakura." (read what he was replying to and you'll get it) If Naruto could fall for Hinata for the same reason he fell for Sakura, wouldn't he have realized it by now?
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I know that Kishimoto wouldn't put in romance in the middle of all the action right now. I'm talking about the manga as a whole, not the past couple of chapters. I agree, I don't think we will see a whole lot of romance for a little while, from both Narusaku and Naruhina.
But since Naruto had realized this with Sakura already, and since you say that Sakura's increased feelings about Naruto is love, wouldn't Narusaku have been confirmed by now? And all Naruhina fans know Naruto doesn't love Hinata, but we know that he can fall for her. Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he won't, because as you said, Kishimoto isn't focusing on romance in this part of the manga yet. So we will have to wait and see where Kishimoto will go with this. And because in the current mission, both Hinata and Sakura are on the mission with Naruto, (along with the others), I think there should be some development, from either Naruhina or Narusaku. It doesn't have to be a confession or anything, just some sort of development. But which one it is, I don't know.
Hi'ya, Satoshi! Didn't think that you lumber into this thread.
Now you're starting to get the idea of shounen romance.
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Oh yeah, it's entirely possible, but Kishimoto really ain't doin' it.
Haha, no.
Kishimoto introduced the element of who the heck Naruto likes early on. It's been a notable focus every now and then. He could do this with Hinata, and yet he doesn't, even though he's had three-hundred and fifty-some chapters to do so. Wouldn't you think there would be any progress by this point, even for a shounen manga?
Duh. And I said that Hinata cared about Naruto, long before most did. Yet she didn't do a thing to help him out or let him know, "Hey you aren't alone."
Do you have proof of this? A written statement in Kishimoto, in both Japanese and English? That there is absolutely no doubt that the pair will be given development?
Guess what, you don't. Why? Because you are not Kishimoto.
Pay attention. You take and analyze what has happened, not what might happen. Naruto could get in a steamy situation with Tsunade. Oh yah that's really gonna happen because I say it's gonna happen and repeat it like an annoying mantra.
Stop being a blind shipper and effin realize what the hell I've been telling you jokers all this time.
... You're new to this, ain't'cha?
Is blood integral to discovering what Naruto is really about? Hell no. It's fanwanking. It's seeing something that's not there. It is not a device to serves to support any part of the thematic narrative. Don't lecture me on something that you yourself don't apparently even understand.
Naw, that's about right. And I don't see how I blew things out of proportion when describing Hinata. She's a shitty, throwaway characters that is nothing original or properly developed, and countless fanboys gush over as if she were the new Rei.
OH YAH ASUMA AND KURENAI ARE MAIN CHARACTERS AND ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE THEMATIC NARRATIVE UH-HUH YOU GOT ME THERE BUDDY.
Do you even know what burden of proof means?! That was a rhetorical question. Evidently you don't.
Darkhope is making the assertion that Sakura doesn't like Naruto romantically, as if it were a fact. We cannot state this for certian because it is not made explicitly clear nor has this been said. It's pure speculation.
OI, SARCASM.
... No duh. Did I ever say there couldn't? I'm just amazed that people are so gung-ho about viciously supporting and looking for romance in a series that has practically nothing to do with romance. Read and watching ****ing romance anime and manga if you want to worship it to death.
Well done!
This. Is. A. Shounen. Romance.
You don't seem to get that, or what it implies.
Shounen draw things out for as long as possible, and the romance is never honestly in the spotlight, unless it is a shounen romance -- which Naruto is not. To start off with a "OMG DO I LURV HIM/HER" in the beginning of him or her with building it upon contrived events is something that you'd find in a mature romance like Honey and Clover, not something ridiculously trite like Naruto.
Yet that absolutely signals love who cares that it's someone that you've been close to and you have someone insulting someone that they don't even know personally and Naruto got ****** off too so oh hell he must want to drill Sasuke in the butt.
Prove to me by pointing where it is clearly stated that she has no romantic inclinations towards him, budding or otherwise. You can't, because again, it's pure speculation.
Huh? Didn't she say that, "Ok, but you're paying," back when he asked upon his arrival back?
Again, romance in shounen, regardless of if it is the focus or not, generally does not work that way.
Uh, no.
See my above response for your misinterpretation.
Again, shounen romance doesn't typically pan out that way.
THAT IS PURE SPECULATION MAH LAWD WHY DON'T YOU GET THAT.
I do not get a crap about the what if's or maybes. I consider what has happened, not what might happen. It's sheer conjecture that you're spewing, it's utterly baseless, and rejecting all common sense when it comes to observing storytelling.
Word.
Now you're starting to get the idea of shounen romance.
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Oh yeah, it's entirely possible, but Kishimoto really ain't doin' it.
Haha, no.
Kishimoto introduced the element of who the heck Naruto likes early on. It's been a notable focus every now and then. He could do this with Hinata, and yet he doesn't, even though he's had three-hundred and fifty-some chapters to do so. Wouldn't you think there would be any progress by this point, even for a shounen manga?
Duh. And I said that Hinata cared about Naruto, long before most did. Yet she didn't do a thing to help him out or let him know, "Hey you aren't alone."
Do you have proof of this? A written statement in Kishimoto, in both Japanese and English? That there is absolutely no doubt that the pair will be given development?
Guess what, you don't. Why? Because you are not Kishimoto.
Pay attention. You take and analyze what has happened, not what might happen. Naruto could get in a steamy situation with Tsunade. Oh yah that's really gonna happen because I say it's gonna happen and repeat it like an annoying mantra.
Stop being a blind shipper and effin realize what the hell I've been telling you jokers all this time.
... You're new to this, ain't'cha?
Is blood integral to discovering what Naruto is really about? Hell no. It's fanwanking. It's seeing something that's not there. It is not a device to serves to support any part of the thematic narrative. Don't lecture me on something that you yourself don't apparently even understand.
Naw, that's about right. And I don't see how I blew things out of proportion when describing Hinata. She's a shitty, throwaway characters that is nothing original or properly developed, and countless fanboys gush over as if she were the new Rei.
OH YAH ASUMA AND KURENAI ARE MAIN CHARACTERS AND ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE THEMATIC NARRATIVE UH-HUH YOU GOT ME THERE BUDDY.
Do you even know what burden of proof means?! That was a rhetorical question. Evidently you don't.
Darkhope is making the assertion that Sakura doesn't like Naruto romantically, as if it were a fact. We cannot state this for certian because it is not made explicitly clear nor has this been said. It's pure speculation.
OI, SARCASM.
... No duh. Did I ever say there couldn't? I'm just amazed that people are so gung-ho about viciously supporting and looking for romance in a series that has practically nothing to do with romance. Read and watching ****ing romance anime and manga if you want to worship it to death.
Well done!
This. Is. A. Shounen. Romance.
You don't seem to get that, or what it implies.
Shounen draw things out for as long as possible, and the romance is never honestly in the spotlight, unless it is a shounen romance -- which Naruto is not. To start off with a "OMG DO I LURV HIM/HER" in the beginning of him or her with building it upon contrived events is something that you'd find in a mature romance like Honey and Clover, not something ridiculously trite like Naruto.
Yet that absolutely signals love who cares that it's someone that you've been close to and you have someone insulting someone that they don't even know personally and Naruto got ****** off too so oh hell he must want to drill Sasuke in the butt.
Prove to me by pointing where it is clearly stated that she has no romantic inclinations towards him, budding or otherwise. You can't, because again, it's pure speculation.
Huh? Didn't she say that, "Ok, but you're paying," back when he asked upon his arrival back?
Again, romance in shounen, regardless of if it is the focus or not, generally does not work that way.
Uh, no.
See my above response for your misinterpretation.
Again, shounen romance doesn't typically pan out that way.
THAT IS PURE SPECULATION MAH LAWD WHY DON'T YOU GET THAT.
I do not get a crap about the what if's or maybes. I consider what has happened, not what might happen. It's sheer conjecture that you're spewing, it's utterly baseless, and rejecting all common sense when it comes to observing storytelling.
Word.
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Yeah, that would be true, if it hadn't been for the factthat the last time Sakura's feelings about sasuke were talked about, she confessed to him. And since then, there hasn't been any proof that says she doesn't love him anymore; this scene continues those feelings for Sasuke.She doesn't say "I love Sasuke,don't insult him!" But the intensity of her reaction, compared to Naruto's shows she was hurt more by Sai's insult than Naruto.
When Naruhina fans say that Narusaku isn't going to happen because there is no proof that says she loves him, you all say that she does love him because there is no proof that says she doesn't love him. And the same thing goes for Sasuke and Sakura's relationship. That's a bit complicated for me.
Then she ended up not going with him anyway. And again when she woke him up, she screamed "NO DUMBASS!".
Apparently, almost all of the evidence towards disproving Narusaku is all pure speculation, but at the same time parts of Narusaku can be called speculation too. So the only real concrete piece of evidence you guys have is that this is a shonen manga. So why would Sakura fall for Sasuke for the whole series if Narusaku will happen? She doesn't have to love someone else first, to make it a shonen manga does she? She could have gone through the series without loving anyone right? And it would still be called shonen, wouldn't it? Or maybe I still don't fully understand what shonen is all about.
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Why is this FUCKING thread not...........CLOSED!?
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fixed it .
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Well, I put another thread like this in the shipping section, but everyone keeps coming here still, not that much repsonse in the shipping section I guess.
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