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Naruto and Boruto Discussion Thread

Lorde

Banned
I'm personally not a Sakura fan; I merely thought that her battle against Sasori was interesting and was one of the few well-written fights of early Part 2 in my opinion. At least she was active for once and did something that showcased her talents. :x
 

deathseer

Oh, u mad bro?
And yet that's everyone's go to moment, or really the only moment that people bring up when trying to defend her, while also simultaneously trying to bring down Sasuke's character by saying that because Sasaori was deemed stronger than Deidara and Sasuke struggled in beating him, it somehow makes Sakura the stronger character. Nothing recent, just a fight that happened 100+ chapters ago in the very beginning of Shippuden. What has she done lately of note? Not talking about healing someone really good, what has she done fightwise? Who has she beaten or at least posed a threat to? Because right now, the two people she supposedly was supposed to be on equal ground with and who she vowed she wouldn't let them constantly stay ahead of her are now fighting toe-to-toe with essentially a god of this series while she is once again watching from the bleachers.

Unless Kishimoto has her fight Obito-Zetsu, which even won't register as a blip on the radar since Naruto beat him at his strongest so whatever Sakura does won't be nearly as impressive. Also, since he will probably will be fighting with the intention to die, it will cheapen her win because Kishimoto is writing a fight in which the reader can clearly see she is meant to win, so it takes all of the stakes away, while Naruto fought him with the possiblity of the world as he knows it ending should he lose. It's the same reason I don't put any stock into Sasuke's win over Itachi. Not only was Itachi already dying, but it was also a fight he was never meant to win in the first place. Itachi's entire character eventually became his desire to see himself die at the hands of little brother. So how could I realistically say at the time that Sasuke was stronger, when the entire time Itachi was written with a handicap?
 
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Lorde

Banned
And yet that's everyone's go to moment, or really the only moment that people bring up when trying to defend her, while also simultaneously trying to bring down Sasuke's character by saying that because Sasaori was deemed stronger than Deidara and Sasuke struggled in beating him, it somehow makes Sakura the stronger character.

If this is a passive aggressive dig at my post from yesterday, I'll clarify: I never said that Sakura was stronger than Sasuke nor did I mean to imply that. But God forbid should someone have one good thing to say about Sakura or female characters in general in this series.
 

deathseer

Oh, u mad bro?
Not saying you. Its just a common occurrence when this topic comes up.

And until we get a famale charter that can match the likes of the Sasuke's and Naruto's of the world, or the Jiraya's and the Orochimaru's or even Kakashi, there isn't much you can say about any of them other than "Yes, they were in fact drawn on this page"
 
And yet that's everyone's go to moment, or really the only moment that people bring up when trying to defend her, while also simultaneously trying to bring down Sasuke's character by saying that because Sasaori was deemed stronger than Deidara and Sasuke struggled in beating him, it somehow makes Sakura the stronger character. Nothing recent, just a fight that happened 100+ chapters ago in the very beginning of Shippuden. What has she done lately of note? Not talking about healing someone really good, what has she done fightwise? Who has she beaten or at least posed a threat to? Because right now, the two people she supposedly was supposed to be on equal ground with and who she vowed she wouldn't let them constantly stay ahead of her are now fighting toe-to-toe with essentially a god of this series while she is once again watching from the bleachers.
That's not even bringing down Sasuke's character, the difference is Sakura was prepared to fight Sasori with antidotes she had made, Sasuke knew nothing about Deidara. No one's bringing him down, if anything, you're trying to make it seem as if people and when they're really not.
Unless Kishimoto has her fight Obito-Zetsu, which even won't register as a blip on the radar since Naruto beat him at his strongest so whatever Sakura does won't be nearly as impressive. Also, since he will probably will be fighting with the intention to die, it will cheapen her win because Kishimoto is writing a fight in which the reader can clearly see she is meant to win, so it takes all of the stakes away, while Naruto fought him with the possiblity of the world as he knows it ending should he lose. It's the same reason I don't put any stock into Sasuke's win over Itachi. Not only was Itachi already dying, but it was also a fight he was never meant to win in the first place. Itachi's entire character eventually became his desire to see himself die at the hands of little brother. So how could I realistically say at the time that Sasuke was stronger, when the entire time Itachi was written with a handicap?

Please explain why would Sakura and Obito fight after he just saved Naruto? It would be pointless for that to happen, and I doubt Kishi would allow Sakura to fight Obito at this point after his resolve.
 

Nodame

Aru
Wow. It amazes me how much people grasp at straws when trying to defend Sakura's character in this series. The fact that her claim to fame is something that happened 100+ chapters ago should really give you a hint as to how badly this character is written.

Well, to be fair, nearly every female charter in this series is written horribly besides Otohime who's basically god. But even then, that's not a character, it's basically a job description. I don't think Kishimoto hates women, but he does seem to have some sort of problem with them as almost all of his female characters either hug the sidelines wimpering about one of the males in the series, or they get a "Crowning Moment of Awesome" that is immediately invalidated by their male character counterparts.

Sakura gets this supposed super powerful upgrade that put supposedly puts her on the same level as Tsunade and allow her to stand on equal footing with Naruto and Sasuke, and what happens? The inventor of ninjutsu comes from out of nowhere and basically hands Naruto and Sasuke the ability to use every conceivable technique in the whole series? So Sakura is immediately back to where Kishimoto likes, sitting on the sidelines wimpering and thinking about Naruto or Sasuke, gawking at them displaying the ability of gods.

The thing is, in a series about a series that's mostly about fighting, healers will never take center stage nor will they be impressive in the slightest. If all a character has going for them is "healing super well and punching really ****ing hard" they will inevitably be pushed to the wayside for characters that can literally bend the elements to their will like a kid in a sandbox. So not only is Sakura screwed from a gender standpoint, she also is limited by the role she's supposed to play in her series, one that demands that you basically wait on the sidelines for all the big guns to get injured and heal them so they can go back out there to save the day. And no matter how much you try to hype it, that's just not exciting. Any exploits done by healer's are just not impressive at all.
Fans also must consider that a shounen manga will always place its male characters at the forefront and girls will still remain the damsels. Sakura is a very strong willed, and powerful Kunoichi. She may not be the best but she works hard and does outstanding for a girl with no bloodline, or any special attachment that helps her do better, or obtain jutsu. She had to work very hard to get where she was today. I don't think inhuman strength, medical jutsu, killer analytical skills that can predict the moves of an s-class criminal and elite Akatsuki member, and high intelligence counts as useless.

Granted, it's been a long time since she's had a huge battle, but what did you expect? This is a shounen manga and all female characters take the backseat or act as supporting roles while the male characters get most of the screentime. This even includes the heroine, as sad as that seems.

She’s a loveable, realistic and a funny character throughout the whole entire series IMO. There’s so much more to her character then you know. She's not perfect, but those annoying imperfections are what's supposed to make her endearing.

"We come to love not by finding the perfect person, but by seeing an imperfect person perfectly."
 

Lorde

Banned
This chapter bored me to be honest. The fight scenes were hard to follow, although the new jutsu were cool. Madara's limbo technique seemed too hax and him taking Kakashi's eye seemed rather sudden. At least we know what Obito wanted Sakura to do.
 

Dew Watatsumi

Water Type E-3
Only thing I have to say is that Sakura is screwed please kill her Madara. Unless Sasuke can instantally learn Kamui or Naruto does some Jesus healing jutsu to restore Kakashi's eye, there is no other way for Sasuke or Naruto to come after Madara.
 

Nodame

Aru
~That was pretty cool, but it was also pretty confusing. The whole shadow Madara was hard to follow, at least I thought it was. By the way, are we to assume that Indra's spirit split between Madara and Sasuke? :x
~ Madara ripping out Kakashi's eye and on the verge of killing Sakura was a great cliffhanger, but its safe to assume that Obito will take the strike for queen Sakura.
 
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Dew Watatsumi

Water Type E-3
There is one thing that bothered me...Is Madara a medical ninja or some sorts? Because the guy literally ripped out Kakashi's eye and just popped it in like a contact.

Forgot to add that earlier
 

nuzamaki90

Well-Known Member
There is one thing that bothered me...Is Madara a medical ninja or some sorts? Because the guy literally ripped out Kakashi's eye and just popped it in like a contact.

Forgot to add that earlier

He's got Hashirama's cells so I'm guessing that's why he did so. Recovery + Instaheal = Madara can now use Kamui
 

Kazuki Mirai

Well-Known Member
...Yes, Madara. Throw that Distortion Blade at Sakura. You pretty much gave Obito the means to destroy that Rinnegan now by doing so. Good job. XP
 

Platinum fan.

RetiredPokemonMaster
This chapter was actually very enjoyable for me. Sasuke's Rinnegan was nice. I ranted about Rinnegan being a Uchiha tool long enough and I knew this was coming so let's just dive right in. I did enjoy Sasuke's Rinnegan power. It didn't make him as broken as I thought it would, but this is just the first chapter with him using it. Naruto and Sasuke together again. Just like in part 1 with Sasuke barking out the orders, making up the plans, and using Naruto as a tool to achieve Team 7 victory. Hmm, maybe Sasuke should run for Hokage. Even Trolldara's drooling over Sasuke wanting him as a pawn over Failbito. Well Trolldara you'll have to fight Orochimaru over who owns Sasuke. The snake loved him first. The chapter's ending was very unexpected. Kakashi getting his Sharingan stolen in seconds. That sucks for ole Kakashi. He did such a good job holding and protecting that eye all these years and loses it in the blink of an eye. Pardon the pun, fellow Serebi friends.

I did like how Sasuke and Naruto tried to stop him but were too late and now Trolldara trolls everyone and goes to Kamui land to kill Sakura and probably try and take Obito's Rinnegan. Well I see many outcomes of this happening. Naruto and Sasuke probably can defy reality and warp their to stop Trolldara. Sakura manages to hold off Trolldara. Or Obito gives his final act of redemption and saves Sakura. If Sakura is a Tsunade junior then she can't die easily so I don't know why we should even be worried. This to me looks like Obito's last chance to be a hero. Go out in a blaze Obito! Go out in a blaze a save a girl who is not Rin. So overall nice chapter. Looking forward to next weeks.

RIN IS ALWAYS WATCHING YOU!
 

Profesco

gone gently
It's daydream time.

...Yes, Madara. Throw that Distortion Blade at Sakura. You pretty much gave Obito the means to destroy that Rinnegan now by doing so. Good job. XP

It would be super fun if Obito just turned his head and leaned forward a little so that the blade went through his Rinnegan. I want this one to happen so much.

Sakura manages to hold off Trolldara.

I'd also really enjoy seeing this happen. I'm not exactly a Sakura fan, but I am still holding out hope that she, in her own Tsunade 2.0 way, is a shinobi comparable to Naruto and Sasuke. It would be awesome if Sakura could at least handle (kinda-sorta) the top half of Madara's body (until Sasuke and Naruto inevitably show up to save the day).

Go out in a blaze Obito! Go out in a blaze a save a girl who is not Rin.

And given the parallels that have been laboriously drawn between Team Minato and Team Kakashi, I think this would also be a nicely tied bow.



Hm. Eight months early for a Christmas wishlist, but there it is. Three longshots, please.
 

Lorde

Banned
I'm sure that Obito will keep Sakura out of harm's way by teleporting her away to stop Madara from killing her if it comes to that. Obito is doomed though in my opinion.
 

-Raiga-

Well-Known Member
My god what a terribly written chapter. The action itself was really hard to follow in my opinion, and even if he could have drew it better, kishimoto has done "parallel world" gimmicks for just about every god dang enemy so far. It really is the same thing as the kamui world that we JUST got done with.

But all that's minor compared to the complete cop-out that was Madara stealing Kakashi's eye. The idea that Kakashi has survived 600+ chapters now with his eye, just to be caught off guard sitting down is ridiculous.

I mean, at least stuff happened in the chapter, but none of it was good.
 

insanejames

Unorthodox Trainer
Jesus Christ Madara took Kakashi's MS right out of his socket in seconds.

Madara can now use Kamui holy crap :O

i agree I was supired he took Kakashi's eye so easyly what i guess for the sake of the plot moving along we sould except it. This ether show Madara speed or Kakashi is just losing it tried nearly losing his best friend
 
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