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Interesting chapter, nice to see how Konoha got it's name.
If I got the chapter right... Madara turned "evil" because things didn't go his way. Wasn't gonna be head leader, was hated by his best friends brother, and felt his own clan didn't respect him... why is it that villains never get a good reason
Hard to believe Obito and Sasuke have better reasons yet aren't nearly as haxed up powerful like Madarai agree it was a stupid reason to be evil :/ atleast give him a good reason... like his best friends brother goes out and slaughters more of his clan and his best friend does nothing about it.. sure it makes the hokages look like the bad ones but it be better then this
Well I'm not saying it's a bad reason, just not a truly good one. He couldn't possibly change his ways at all to make people like him? Seriously though, you think having your entire clan killed by your only brother is a lame reason, but not being liked is a perfectly legit reason...Why is that a bad reason? He's selfish, but he's also hated by everyone but his best friend. That can really screw a person up. And with what we've seen of Madara, he's pretty screwed up after all.
It's way better than Sasuke's reason. It's almost as if Hashirama is telling Sasuke that Madara has an actual reason to be what he's turned into, and Sasuke's turn to power is childish in retrospect. But in the end, neither Hashirama or Naruto could save their friend from the darkness...
The only thing that I don't like about this chapter was Madara sounding whiny whenever he made Hashi choose between him or Tobirama. Kind of sounds like a bitter ex-girlfriend or something. I really like how Konoha was named and the reactions between the two during that part.
Hard to believe Obito and Sasuke have better reasons yet aren't nearly as haxed up powerful like Madara
Well I'm not saying it's a bad reason, just not a truly good one. He couldn't possibly change his ways at all to make people like him? Seriously though, you think having your entire clan killed by your only brother is a lame reason, but not being liked is a perfectly legit reason...
I think the point was that Hashirama kept taking advice from Tobirama, and Madara didn't truly believe that Hashirama would favor him over Tobirama.The only thing that I don't like about this chapter was Madara sounding whiny whenever he made Hashi choose between him or Tobirama. Kind of sounds like a bitter ex-girlfriend or something. I really like how Konoha was named and the reactions between the two during that part.
A better chapter then the last, though still badly paced and rushed.
If I got the chapter right... Madara turned "evil" because things didn't go his way. Wasn't gonna be head leader, was hated by his best friends brother, and felt his own clan didn't respect him... why is it that villains never get a good reason
All this chapter proved was Tobirama was essentially the turning point for almost every single incident and plot arch focused on in this series.
It's not amazing, but it fits Madara's persona. He's selfish and stubborn and he wouldn't go out of the way to make people like him. He expects them to like them for who he is.
Sasuke suffered, but his lust for power was primarily to use against Itachi. He went too far and lost it by joining the Akatsuki and going after other Leaf higher-ups. I don't think he really cares for his clan's sake, but more for personal retribution.
A better chapter then the last, though still badly paced and rushed. Don't think it's hard to say that Tobirama caused most of the problem. Seem pretty obvious that Hashirama was attempting to give Madara a reason to be protective of more then just his clan in hopes of keeping the peace. Anyway, so far the way we were told things went down have turnt out false, so can't predict what will come next apart from their inevitable final showdown.
I think the point was that Hashirama kept taking advice from Tobirama, and Madara didn't truly believe that Hashirama would favor him over Tobirama.
I really thought that tobirama would commit suicide then and there
I let out a sigh of relief when he didn't
Madara becomes evil... dam dam dam.....
In this chapter Tobirama is being such a jerk. What's wrong with him?
Wondering though, who is the stronger of the two? Tobirama seems more likely
He is justified he has lived a life of war and hatred so of course he would still hold prejudice towards the Uchiha. Actually it was well stated that Madara and Hashirama were the greatest of their time. So I don't think Tobirama has a chance against Madara.
I really thought that tobirama would commit suicide then and there
I let out a sigh of relief when he didn't
Interesting to see how Hashirama and Madara are as adults. Even when their friendship almost rekindled and they were playfully naming the village and its leader, Hashirama had more power but could still act immature (in a funny way), but Madara still felt more stoic than he was as a kid. He definitely changed a lot.
Every team in Naruto's line has someone go to the darkness: Hashirama (Madara), Hiruzen (Danzo), Jiraiya (Orochimaru), I dunno about Minato, Kakashi (Obito), and of course Naruto (Sasuke). I suppose the Uchiha among those are the ones who've become the biggest problems, but in any case I wonder if Naruto is supposed to end this pattern.
Edit: Well I guess not all of them were team members the way they have three-man teams now, but still.
I didn't think of that. That would be pretty crazy though, Sasuke killing Kakashi. Not sure if he can be redeemed from that this late into the story though haha.An even bigger pattern is that Hiruzen trained Jiraiya's team and was killed by Orochimaru while Minato trained Kakashi's team and was technically killed by Obito (Obito brought the fox in and Minato had to sacrifice himself to stop it, so I'm counting that). All that's left is for Sasuke to kill Kakashi and the pattern will be complete.
Interesting to see how Hashirama and Madara are as adults. Even when their friendship almost rekindled and they were playfully naming the village and its leader, Hashirama had more power but could still act immature (in a funny way), but Madara still felt more stoic than he was as a kid. He definitely changed a lot.
Every team in Naruto's line has someone go to the darkness: Hashirama (Madara), Hiruzen (Danzo), Jiraiya (Orochimaru), I dunno about Minato, Kakashi (Obito), and of course Naruto (Sasuke). I suppose the Uchiha among those are the ones who've become the biggest problems, but in any case I wonder if Naruto is supposed to end this pattern.
Edit: Well I guess not all of them were team members the way they have three-man teams now, but still.