If Kakashi can't defend the village on his own, then he doesn't deserve to be Hokage in my honest opinion; if he would need Naruto's help for that, he may as well just give Naruto the job. Also, Hiruzen was around Naruto's age when he became Hokage, so Naruto isn't too young.
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Naruto and Boruto Discussion Thread
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If Kakashi can't defend the village on his own, then he doesn't deserve to be Hokage in my honest opinion; if he would need Naruto's help for that, he may as well just give Naruto the job. Also, Hiruzen was around Naruto's age when he became Hokage, so Naruto isn't too young.
LightningMaster95
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didnt tsunade need naruto's help in order to defend the village from pain and at the end of the day naruto is still a ninja of the leaf so he is going to help defend the village no matter what whether its under kakashi or tsunade orders.
different circumstances between hiruzen and naruto...hiruzen inherited the title from tobirama because tobirama knew he was going to die so he had to pick someone while with naruto there are other characters who can be hokage while naruto still matures and grows
Void Ventus
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But did Hiruzen become Hokage immediately? For all we know on the confusing timeline, Hashirama was still alive at this time. He passed the Hokage role to Tobirama while he was still alive. And basing on the flashbacks of Hiruzen training the Sannin and official age bios, Hiru was probably over a decade older due to his appearance (meaning he was or close to 30 years old), and the Sannin were probably 13-14. We know Hashirama lived long enough to not only meet Tsunade, but also teach her how to gamble at ?? years old (most likely 2-3 years old). Hashirama could have filled the Hokage role again for a little while after Tobirama's death. The Wiki says Hashi died shortly after forming the Leaf, but when exactly was it formed? When he became the first Hokage? Or after Tsunade was born? The Leaf hasn't even been around for a whole century yet, so even if they are comparing it to how long the Leaf has been around, 5-10 years isn't really "short".
Now I've gotten myself confused. This timeline really needs to be cleared up and filled out some more.
He didn't receive direct orders from Tsunade; he protected the village on his own accord. I'm saying that Naruto being relied on for Konoha's defense all the time in the future since Kakashi's apparently too weak is an odd concept because then it'll be as if Naruto's only purpose is to be village protector, in which case he may as well have the Hokage title. :x
Akashin
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To be fair, this is largely a distinction without a difference. Naruto chose to protect the village on his own (though Tsunade did go out of her way to try to get him back, too), but the fact remains that had he not done so Konoha would be toast.
It's not like every threat Konoha will ever face in the future will be some Akatsuki-level threat; Kakashi is still relatively powerful in his own right (theoretically anyway) without the Sharingan and more than capable of handling threats. You're making it sound like every threat regardless of severity will be something Kakashi would have to call on Naruto to handle.
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RetiredPokemonMaster
Tsunade did kinda order Naruto back to the village, against the elders wishes, even Danzo tried to halt it. So it's not like Kakashi would be the first. Besides Naruto surpassed Tsunade a long time ago and she's still Hokage. I'm not saying I agree with Kakashi being Hokage over Naruto, but it's not a impossible or ridiculous situation. It only looks that way to us because the series is like ending. That and the time to make Kakashi Hokage has passed.
My point is that Naruto literally didn't receive those orders; Kosuke was killed before sending the message, so Naruto protected Konoha without being told to by the Hokage.
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RetiredPokemonMaster
Well yeah. Konoha's his home. Can't have random villains messing it up. Any Konoha ninja would defend it unless they got orders not to for some weird reason.
TsukiMirage
Rikudou Master
... Sasuke hasn't done anything differently then Itachi did, and Itachi was proclaim as fitting Hokage material by the Hokages themselves. Time and again, we have been shown that some things are necessary for the greater good. There hasn't been any reason other then "he's not a nice person" as justification for Sasuke not being a fitting Hokage, which is moot against his actual leadership ability, drive, and intelligence. I'm not sure why I wouldn't want a leader who would work to prevent his own people from getting massacred by the government and is against giant monsters who mentally tortured and attempted to kill children? I also find it funny how Naruto is against eliminating the Bijuus despite the fact that he showed no care for them when he himself was attempting to kill the Juubi with Kirabi.
You do realize that the reason such was believed was because since Part Two, Naruto was suppose to be working towards bring peace to the world and multiple characters close to him (Jiraiya, Minato, and Nagato) went into how the ninja system is flawed and had to be changed. We were then introduced to the Rikudou Sennin and his concept of bring everyone together, with multiple parallels connected to Naruto. This has literally been the theme since the Rain arc. For all that to be dropped and Naruto to simply become Hokage would be him failing those who put their hope in him.
Also, how did Sasuke treat Sakura like crap? He has always considered her annoying, unless you mean the genjutsu, in which case that was him protecting her. Remember the last time the two fought, Sakura ran inbetween them and nearly got herself killed? Genjutsu was the most benign way to keep her from interfering. Well, I suppose he could have knocked her on the back of the head again...
So, you saying trying to change the world, which as mentioned have been stated flawed by multiple characters in the series and is suppose to be Naruto's whole current motivation, is wrong... even if that agenda is preventing another event like the one that happen to his own clan from happening again?
Wait, Sasuke actually showing remorse and apologizes for a wrong action without being made to do so, without wanting or expecting something in return, is still bad and unfitting. It's like nothing he does will be acceptable.
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RetiredPokemonMaster
Sasuke would make a horrible leader. He doesn't care about Konoha. You really think Sasuke cares about anything but his own vision of Hokage? Let me ask you this, why kill Tsunade? Tsunade is a respectable Konoha shinobi and has devoted her life to Konoha since becoming Hokage. You really think Konoha will accept Sasuke for killing Tsunade. Why kill Gaara? Gaara is allies with Konoha and by killing him, Sasuke simple sets Konoha back and makes them look like backstabbers. Sasuke only cares about his own goals and nobody else who's not a Uchiha. Naruto cares for the village and everyone in it and would do anything to protect it. That's the difference between Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke can be the best leader in the world but if he doesn't have the trust of Konoha he'll never be Hokage. And Sasuke doesn't know anything about being Hokage. There's doing what needs to be done and then there's stupid choices, and Sasuke's doing the latter. Nothing can defend his appalling actions now.
And you ask how he treated Sakura like crap? Well let's see, he badmouthed her on how useless she is in the Kaguya fight, told her how annoying she was and placed her in a Genjutsu and told Naruto he cares nothing about her. Now if Sasuke is going to treat Sakura, a character who has been loyal to Sasuke through the best of time and the worst of times, like this, why on earth would anyone think he would treat the rest of Konoha any better? Why would you want that as your Hokage? A person who's going to tear you down instead of encouraging you?
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Nodame
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I don't care who is the hokage as long as Tsunade and the others are not killed by Sauce-kay.
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TsukiMirage
Rikudou Master
But he does care about Konoha. He cares about Konoha because Itachi cared about Konoha and Sasuke has taken it upon himself to take over Itachi's duties and protect Konoha like he wanted. He states this during the meeting with the Edo Hokages. It's the whole reason he got involved in the war, and literally risked his life multiple times trying to save everyone. And given that Sasuke was shown to basically idolize Itachi, there's really no reason to believe that he's not as dedicated as he appears to Itachi's dream.
We don't know why exactly he is going after the Kages, though it's probably because they are responsible for keeping the flawed system the way it is and would oppose any change in said system. As for Konoha accepting him and setting the villages back, huh? How would anyone else know what he did? Everyone except Team Seven is currently in the dream world, meaning that they won't have any idea what he did before he awakes them. The only complication would be Kakashi and Sakura, and a genjutsu solves that problem.
Again, Sasuke has literally gotten involved in a major conflict and risked his own life to protect not just the village, but the entire world. Those are not the actions of someone who doesn't care. And really, Naruto would do anything to protect the village? He refused to stay in the village where it was safe and instead ran around where he could have been grabbed, he disobey Jiraiya's orders and nearly killed Sakura, he lied to Karui and continued to reinforce the claim that Sasuke was a Konoha ninja despite the fact that it could have led to war and then threw it all on Ee to prevent said war, refused to obey the Alliance's protection, and continually allows dangerous ninjas to go free. Just because the narrative goes in his favor doesn't change that Naruto only does things that benefits what he wants, and rejects any other way. The current situation is partly due to the fact that Naruto refuses to put the safety of others over his own desire. At least Sasuke has shown the habit of actually listening to other people and accepting their opinions.
Sasuke knows exactly what it means to be Hokage and protect the village. Have you forgotten that the whole reason he had the Edo Hokages revived were to asked about those very things. It was the talk with them that caused him to abandon his desire for revenge and work to protect the village. I would say his actions are extreme, but as mentioned before, at least he has an idea of how to fix the world and changed the flawed system.
And yet he went out of his way to save her life at least three times: against the Juubi-spawn, from being caught in the dream world, and from being caught in the Chibaku Tensei. His comments about her being less important compared to him and Naruto in the Kaguya fight was harsh but completely true. They couldn't worry about her safety at the expense of their own, cause if one of them died, then it was game over, the whole world was doomed. Even Kakashi agreed with him. He has always considered her annoying, since the very beginning. I'm not sure why he's a bad guy for getting annoyed at a person who keeps going on about her feeling for him despite him making it clear again and again he doesn't love her. Heck, us readers have complained about her constant talk of love of him despite there being no basis for it. It makes prefect sense he would be annoyed with such a person, just like how Sakura got annoyed at Naruto and Lee for doing the exact same thing to her. Are you saying he's under some obligation to return feeling he doesn't hold? Despite considering her annoying since the beginning of the series, he has still saved her multiple times, including during the recent situation. And I already explained the genjutsu, which was done to keep her from getting involved, which considering the last time she got involved she nearly got killed, seems more like a plus then a minus.
Exactly what about the current situation granted him any reason to "encourage"? More importantly, you do realize that's how cadets in the military are trained, right? I don't recall any other Hokage being "encouraging" , nor Naruto ever being that way. I do recall Naruto calling Konohamaru out on his crap attitude, but I suppose that's something else. And I also recall how the children under the previous Hokages were trained not to give in to emotions, and ninjas who did were criticized and even pushed to suicide. Seems like you're faulting Sasuke for lacking something that wasn't there in the first place.
True about the Gokages at this point, but the Bijuus have been shown too dangerous to be left around. Even if they themselves don't go evil again (and given how easily they went that way before...) that doesn't prevent them from once again being used, since all the villages have the knowledge to capture them. As long as they exist, they can once again be used as weapons. Naruto's a target because he has the Bijuu's chakra inside him and we have been shown that even a little bit is capable of being just as dangerous.
Well, considering that the Kages are basically military dictatorships since they have complete control over the military and really don't have to answer to anyone else, I guess you can say that Sasuke wants to be a dictator. But then that's true for everyone who wants that position.
Platinum fan.
RetiredPokemonMaster
First off all let me just say that Sasuke putting Kakashi and Sakura in Genjutsu to cover himself just makes him Danzo. I've been saying all along Sasuke would be a Danzo style Hokage or worse and I guess you agree with me on that now.
The Naruto stuff. How is Naruto selfish? Everything he's done in part 2 was for the sake of someone else. How did he disobey Jiraiya? Give me a example. He took a beating from Karui to protect Sasuke, but he also took it be responsible for their hatred. He never lied to her he just said he couldn't sell him out. Naruto almost killed Sakura? When? Do you mean when he raged out and smacked her with his tail during the Orochimaru fight? Sakura's life was not in danger there. It's not like he tried to Chidori her right in the face in cold blood. Naruto's not perfect. I'm not saying he is, but he's twice the man Sasuke Uchiha will ever be. Naruto swallowed his pride and didn't kill Nagato, a man who killed a father figure to him. Compare that to Sasuke killing Danzo in cold blood and sacrificing Karin to do it. Just to exact his revenge and make himself feel better.
And lastly The Gokages have been supporting their troops and encouraging them all throughout the war. Gaara's speech to the troops to get them to work together started us off. And all through out the series we've had squad leaders encouraging their teams. Kakashi and Shikamaru are the first to come to mind, and it's probably why Konoha hold Kakashi in such high regards besides his skills. Sasuke just talks down to anyone he doesn't find useful and sacrifices anyone. He would have killed Karin is Sakura hadn't come. And no Sasuke doesn't have to return Sakura's feelings but he doesn't have to treat her like trash either.
And Sasuke doesn't love the village. If Itachi told him to kill Konoha he'd do it without a second thought. You're right he loves Itachi and Uchiha. He is not loyal to Konoha itself though.
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Platinum fan.
RetiredPokemonMaster
Wasn't Naruto appointed to be their new meeting place or whatever? Anyway Naruto won't let them die. He's friends with them now and it would negate the chapters of Naruto learning about them and befriending them. Especially Kurama. Sasuke's the only threat I see now. If they killed Sasuke off, the Uchiha hatred legacy dies with him. But we already know he lives through this fight. That's fine, I just want to see Naruto punch Sasuke's face in in their fight. Sasuke's had this beating coming for years.
Also, the Tailed Beast will be roaming Pokemon when it's all over. A shinobi steps into the tall grass and a wild Eight-Tails will pop out.
Akashin
Well-Known Member
Poor example seeing as the Eight-Tails claimed that it wants to stay with Killer Bee, but essentially this.
Platinum fan.
RetiredPokemonMaster
Alright then. Let me try this again. A shinobi goes out to the tall grass on a mission and a wild Four-Tails comes out. I just randomly picked a tailed beast in my head. But they should be the Entei/Raikou/roaming monsters of the Naruto world. It'll drive everyone nuts going into tall grass and then hearing that random battle music and a Tailed Beast just appears.
On another random note, I wonder if Samui will ever be freed from that gourd? I still haven't forgotten about her.
Are she and Atsui even in the gourd anymore? I thought the Gedo Mazo absorbed the gourd's contents a while back.
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