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New 11 episode series, "Pocket Monsters: Mezase Pokemon Master", starts January 13th 2023

Ragnarok4

Ragnarok4

2024
Morax said:
>Pokemon anime stans criticizing comic books for being inconsistent and poorly written
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I mean, there are comics that ignore powerscaling even more than Dragon Ball Super
 
Tabasco Boshi

Tabasco Boshi

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I feel bad because probably the majority of people in these forums (myself included) grew up with the dub and unless they did their research on the Japanese music, won't understand some of the symbolysm of the last episode, attached to the Japanese songs.

Back in the day, some idiots in suits decided that Japanese music was "dangerous" for Western kids and started butchering the show and in 25 years never even attempted to fix it. Some people always have defended it didn't matter, it wasn't important, but the truth is that they've been ruining the show until the very last day.

And all of this with the approval of the Japanese side, it's their fault too.
 
Veedramon

Veedramon

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Tabasco Boshi said:
I feel bad because probably the majority of people in these forums (myself included) grew up with the dub and unless they did their research on the Japanese music, won't understand some of the symbolysm of the last episode, attached to the Japanese songs.

Back in the day, some idiots in suits decided that Japanese music was "dangerous" for Western kids and started butchering the show and in 25 years never even attempted to fix it. Some people always have defended it didn't matter, it wasn't important, but the truth is that they've been ruining the show until the very last day.

And all of this with the approval of the Japanese side, it's their fault too.
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But Tabasco, if it weren't for those suits, we would've never gotten the massively iconic "Gotta catch 'em all" theme.

Heck, the dub might just use that track in the last episode as a replacement for the japanese theme, to invoke it's own nostalgia
 
Tabasco Boshi

Tabasco Boshi

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Veedramon said:
But Tabasco, if it weren't for those suits, we would've never gotten the massively iconic "Gotta catch 'em all" theme.

Heck, the dub might just use that track in the last episode as a replacement for the japanese theme
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You don't understand what I'm saying. Some of the imagery in the last episode like the blooming flowers or the whole shoes situation is related to Japanese songs. It's not about the usage of the songs per se.

This is not about "oh, but they'll use our theme instead". A theme that, btw, as iconic as it is, barely matches Ash's character.
 
Veedramon

Veedramon

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Tabasco Boshi said:
You don't understand what I'm saying. Some of the imagery in the last episode like the blooming flowers or the whole shoes situation is related to Japanese songs. It's not about the usage of the songs per se.

This is not about "oh, but they'll use our theme instead". A theme that, btw, as iconic as it is, barely matches Ash's character.
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Hmm, true. The dub music may not be relevant to that scene.

Nevertheless I think the suits made the right choice. That song's existence alone makes up for the missing symbolism
 
SunGodNika1997

SunGodNika1997

You can call me Tanner.
Tabasco Boshi said:
You don't understand what I'm saying. Some of the imagery in the last episode like the blooming flowers or the whole shoes situation is related to Japanese songs. It's not about the usage of the songs per se.

This is not about "oh, but they'll use our theme instead". A theme that, btw, as iconic as it is, barely matches Ash's character.
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Definitely gonna always be nostalgic for that old dub (heck, I was jamming to my 2BA Master album on the eve before MPM11), but it's a totally valid point. At least back when the anime first came to America, it was just common practice in the industry as a whole to "Americanize" the show a bit. It's just the fact that TPCI is still changing the anime so drastically. It's now pretty frowned upon in the industry to change anything in the dub except for the voice acting, yet Pokemon still hasn't caught up. Definitely not the first time I've brought this up, but still really frustrating.
 
Tabasco Boshi

Tabasco Boshi

★★★★★
Veedramon said:
Hmm, true. The dub music may not be relevant to that scene.

Nevertheless I think the suits made the right choice. That song's existence alone makes up for the missing symbolism
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You'd be surprised but it's entirely possible to respect the source material and add your own things. Stuff can coexist, especially in the 90s when Pokémon was everywhere. They chose to erase the original creator's vision and impose their own instead.
 
TheNewGuy

TheNewGuy

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The dub's music choices absolutely confound me sometimes. How they're listening to that generic **** and thinking it's better than the remixes of the game themes, I've got no idea.

I totally get not using ones that have Japanese lyrics, fine. But the stuff without lyrics, which is most of it, what the actual ****? And then you have episodes like...just off the top of my head, Ash vs. Tobias, where the dub kept all the music as it was, so they are capable of using it. Weird.
 
solrocknroll

solrocknroll

S-Class Indigo League Fan
The symbolism of Mezase Pokemon Master and Type: Wild honestly made me almost cry, especially once it was clear that Ash's shoes were a reference. Those songs being from Ash's perspective compared to most of Rica's Pokemon songs also gives them so much depth that really just comes through, and it's a shame that people who don't follow the sub won't get that. I imagine Type: Wild will be replaced in MPM11 with the Pokemon Theme from S1, which will still be emotional but won't have the exact same effect.
 
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