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New and Innovative CB Sunny Day Entei and Lilligant with Cool Set Reuniclus Team

Discussion in '7th Gen RMT' started by Psilo, Apr 11, 2018.

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  1. Psilo

    Psilo FanaticalPokecultist

    Innovative Reun Team RMT
    Lilligant (F) @ Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 33 HP / 252 SpA / 223 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Quiver Dance
    - Giga Drain
    - Leech Seed
    - Toxic

    Entei @ Choice Band
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 184 HP / 252 Atk / 72 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Sunny Day
    - Sacred Fire
    - Extreme Speed
    - Iron Head

    Garchomp-Mega @ Garchompite
    Ability: Sand Force
    EVs: 46 HP / 252 Atk / 83 SpD / 127 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Poison Jab
    - Dragon Claw

    Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 242 HP / 232 Def / 17 SpD / 17 Spe
    Relaxed Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Spikes
    - Leech Seed
    - Gyro Ball
    - Seed Bomb

    Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Sand Stream
    EVs: 141 HP / 227 Atk / 127 SpD / 13 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Stone Edge
    - Aqua Tail
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Tail

    Reuniclus @ Life Orb
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 37 HP / 172 Def / 227 SpA / 72 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Calm Mind
    - Psychic
    - Iron Defense
    - Shadow Ball

    So I was playing on the ladder and became very inspired to create sun and a sand force team with offensive synergistic pressure for being defensable and offensive against opposing weather with defensive balance. I came up with an excellent offensive lead build with and composing of Entei and Lilligant. For current meta, Entei deals excellently with lead Tapu Bulu and other grass mons presently used. Lilligant does well for grass and fire synergy and utilizes sun with chlorophyll well. The two act as a good defensive and offensive wall for the common core of Tapu Bulu and M-Swampert. As well as acting well against other offensive sun teams with it's immensely good offensive weather pressure. The energy of the weather build also makes it deal well with offensive rain build leads of rain teams. That's to say it's very good at dealing with other types of weather teams as well, or example hail, with the offensive pressure of Entei and the fact that it outspeeds Aboma an KO's with sacred fire. I sometimes run will-o on Entei over sunny day for t-tar, since Lilligant outspeeds much of the middle tier meta, but the offensive weather energy of the sunny day set combined with the part-first-and-then-foremostly-offensive, and-secondly-defensive-chipping-down Lilli set (with the use of toxic and leech seed), makes an excellent use of this first core build of the team an excellent sun offensive wall breaker and and set up, offensive sun, fast-sweeper and breaker-downer, chipper-downer, and offensive/defensive wall breaker with the use of toxic and leech seed set up Lilligant. I also use iron head and adamant CB with Entei for wearing down fairies and the amazing 2HKO on even, defensive Clefable sets. This does wonders for setting the way for sweeps with the amazingly defensive and wallish and glueful and offensive physical sweeper of assault vest physically offensive Tyranitar which excellently sets sand for Mega Chomp for sweeping with sand and which also carries the use of poison jab for lingering fairies. The use of iron head on CB Entei also forefatherly rids the field of fairies for sweeping with Chomp in sand after Entei and Lilli clear the field, which Chomp leads to of sweeps by with my favorite Reun set, the very innovative CM and Iron Defense Reuniclus set, which makes it an excellent wall, set up sweeper, and excellent late game wall and cleaner. Ferrothorn makes for excellent steel synergy with Reuniclus for defense against fairies and makes as an excellent spikes layer which utilizes the use of dragon tail on av t-tar, for offensive sweeping/wearing down with spikes and rocks. I run aqua tail on t-tar for lando-t, other ground pokemon, as well as other rock pokemon, and fire mons. Ferro is also excellent an excellently good at taking care of the defensive core of Quagsire and Whimsicott with the use of gyro ball for whimsicott and the use of seed bomb for Quagsire. I run shadow ball on Reuniclus for striking other ghosts. I primarily run av on t-tar as well, for the walling of heatran and utilize earthquake as well for the OHKO of tran, this makes great way for the excellent sweeping conditions of Reuniclus that I always play for with excellent set up strategy. Hope you guys enjoy the team, I'll post again later to develop on its more minute mechanics of use as I play more on the ladder with it. It's a team I'm very proud of since it's so formulaic and innovative with defense and offense builds and archetypes and innovative in build on that level, with its use of the rarely used sunny day Entei and Lilligant in combination with sand force mega garchomop with tar for offensive defensive sweeping. This is a very proud and fun team of mine an I truly had fun building it, which is why I posted it. This team is truly a real beauty and very good on the ladder. I use Rocky Helmet Lilligant because it's innovative and for for the theme of chipping things down which was inspired by the use of leech seed and toxic on its move set, as well as the use of rocks on garchomp and spikes on ferro as well in combination with dragon tail on t-tar for wearing teams down. Once again, I'm really proud of this team guys, so please rate because I really do love team building and discussions even on perfect teams. This team is extravagantly good, but like I said, I always love team discussion and good debate. Oh, I also sometimes run dragon tail on mega chomp as well for 2ndary spikes phasing in addition to t-tar. But I also really like dragon claw for sustained offensive walling and sustained sweeping which makes for excellent sustained defense walling and offensive sweeping by maintaining offensive pressure with more base power. It's an excellent relative mathematical equation relation to dragon tail relation which gives it this sustained power, and this goes for dragon tail as well. This is why i run the ev's on Reun I do. It's because it walls and takes a hit from Bisharp, allowing me to set up an iron defense and is even able to take Bisharp down after two phases with rocks and spikes down. This lower strategy of the team doesn't always have to be utilized since I have chomp with eq for Bisharp, but is useful in having for defense walling. I also sometimes run hp poison on lilligant for setting up on and taking down tapu bulu and other grasses which utilize the physical striking method of taking down rather the wearing down method and taking down with set ups which is related to spikes and d-tail strategy, which is also why I combined the lilligant set with spikes laying and d-tail phasing. This is because the Lilligant set and spikes laying strategy combine to form offensive/defensive meta phasing pressure offensively to pressure just about any opposing team and win in any scenario. This is also why I use Reun, because it's move set is a theme relation to spikes laying and wearing things down with toxic leech seed Lilligant. The fact that it's a theme relation makes it combine with the spikes laying strategy as well as the Lilligant move set to be an easy set up defense pokemon for late and even mid game, later to be used in late match, even...especially with spikes an rocks down on the field. And with steels and fairies eliminated by iron head cb Entei and poison jab mega chomp. Some may not know, but Reuniclus is a complex pokemon who truly does have an easier time sweeping when fairies are off the field. If people wanna ask and discuss this, feel free to ask on my page because it's really quite a complex summary of meta layer of the competitive tier. These mathematical equations of the team truly make it an excellent spikes laying team with dragon tail support with compounded built on relations of and with and onto the Lilligant set and set up of sun and onto with CB set up sun Entei. The build Of the team kind of reminds me of the mathematical formula of everything, which is truly a grand simile for spike stacking and dragon tail teams with compound building of team support to compound move set members with compound relations to each other which all support each other with offense and defense and creative innovative move sets and innovative plays which all support one another in unity and fluidity with proper playing and intellectual tachtiques. This is to discuss the mathematics behind team building because it's what's truly at the source of the skill of team building. This is why I posted this team. It's because it's a perfect mathematical replication and built image of that source of skill as truly shown by the mathematics and actual aesthetically image of the team, as I explained. This is truly one of my best teams and am truly proud of it, so please comment. It's based on the mathematical formula of compound dynamics as you can tell, and a very good simile of the technique behind team building which is why I made it and am proud of it. The mathematics of the team are truly beautiful. I am especially proud of my use of rocky helmet lilligant. It's truly an innovative creation that gets you high on the ladder and is also fun to use.
    "I'm a rocky helmet lilligant and I ain't confused on the duncely matter-Ferrothorn to the Lilligant."
    "I'm a rocky (get it? rocky like walky!) talky Asian grass woman with many lovely leech seed toxic song sung steel grass accents for steel rocky helmet lore." "And also a rocky helmet that's innovative and fun to use."
    Lilligant to the Ferrothorn, in rocky helmet flirtatiousness!
    (One of my favorite pokemon parables which this team is part based off of.)
    -Psilo

    Update Summary of Team Mechanics:
    Btw this team is based on offensive building of style play for team making and weather synergy offense play with the use of Entei for set up of sun for synergistic wall breaking with the defense/offensive set of toxic leech seed offense set up Lilligant with the smooth and hard hitting bravado of CB Entei. As well as the smooth setting up and defensive and offensive powerhouse all-out bulky Reuniclus with its optimal spread and very innovative CM iron defense tactical move set. This is part of the smooth make up formula for the synergy of its team members which is to say everything is based on everything. Especially synergy of team building and playing and team unity. Oh, I also meant to mention that I run iron head on Entei for hitting Tyranitar on the switch as well as for chip damage for Lando on the switch since bulldoze doesn't hit as hard and since lando negates it. Av Tyranitar btw supports the set up synergy of the team that Reuniclus and Lilligant make up and that Entei also relatedly weatherly synergistically supports as well with the set up sunny day set. This is also synergistically relate to the ultimate and altimate theory behind spikes setting of synergistically combining with weather to break down walls for alti-ultimate offensive wall breaking. Earthquake on Tyranitar is also for breaking down Ferro and OHKO'king Heatran for Reuniclus to set up and sweep, as well as making way for sun set up for wall breaking and sweeping with Entei and sweeping with Lilligant. Stone edge on Tyranitar is also for sweeping birds, making way for proper sweeping with Lilligant, as well as grounding the opposing team to spikes and limited switches for end game victory. I like viewing this as an ultimate team of ultimate playing and strategy for ultimate winning and victory with all-out offensive play-style.
    -Psilo
     
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  2. MetalSonic

    MetalSonic Orderan' Defendan'

    FEW THINGS;

    ONE; You may want to format these RMT's better! You put one big wall of text down for 6 Pokemon and all these unique strategies, and people just might be put off of readin the whole thing.

    TWO; It generally is not a good thing to put a non-attacking move on choice Pokemon. Some role-compressing Pokemon can get away with it; but for this sort of team; I don't really see the benefit of setting sun up and then being forced to waste a sun turn on switching out instead of taking advantage of it with sun boosted Sacred Fire, your Lillgant only gets three turns if you're lucky to start leech+toxic shenanigans before it loses its speed advantage.

    THREE; You've gone and put odd EV's on some Pokemon. You did go and explain some of em, and others look a bit more normal, but things like 17 spe Ferrothorn are a lil off, that is, unless they all have reasons. In which case; could you explain?

    Unique sets are always cool when they work! Keep at it.
     
  3. Psilo

    Psilo FanaticalPokecultist

    Hmmmm, interesting you say that about CB sun Entei because it's actually a very good set for setting up sun and later hitting hard after switching back in again later setting holes in the opposing team with flare blitz when the gam calls for that. I'm very surprised that you said that because I really expected a better comment, seeing as you've used better sets and seemed to know the game better. But thanks for the rate. I truly just expected a better comment, but thanks. And please respond to keep the discussion going, I would really love if you commented on the mathematical summary I explained of the relations of the theories of team building as symbolized by the Reuniclus set and it's relation the to mathematics behind team building.
    -Psilo

    17 spe is Ferrothorn is for outspeeding lower speed toxapex.
    72 speed Entei is for outspeeding certain types of speed variants on Tyranitar.
    127 speed Garchomp is for outspeeding certain types of speedy Clef for an OHKO with poison jab, which is why I run it.
    (Oh, and to comment on why I run sunny day Entei with cb, it's because QD boosts speed as well, which leaves Lilligant quick enough to outrun things with boosts even after sun, which leaves it capable of toxic leech seed shenanigans for out speeding and wall breaking.
     
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  4. MetalSonic

    MetalSonic Orderan' Defendan'

    Hey hey, sorry for the disappointment, psilo! ^^;

    Oh I dont doubt that CB Entei is good. It's especially better in sun, but to set up sun itself and then have to switch out and in again without hazard control just doesn't sound very effective if you want your Entei to abuse that sun, even if you are tryin to be innovative. You said that the 72 speed EV's on Entei is to outspeed certain variants of T-Tar, but I don't know of any variants that hit the 253 speed benchmark. Unless you mean 88 Spe EV Mega T-Tar in which case; you already outspeed by quite a few points. Have you tried 120 Spe EV's on Entei to outspeed max Spe Mega Tar?

    As for the mathematics I can appreciate a bulkier spread on a CM Reuni, but I feel a set like that would benefit a lot more from Recover over say; Iron Defense? Maybe 44 Spe on that Reuni so you can outspeed Toxapex before the Haze? I dont know why you want to outspeed lower speed Toxapex with Ferrothorn though, since that doesn't actually make sense. Toxapex would still outspeed that spread you have. Why would Toxapex run negative speed? Even a negative speed nature Toxapex would still outspeed your Ferro spread, and I dont know of any variant of pex that would take IV's away from speed. Wouldn't you much rather be 0 IV so your Gyro Ball does more damage?

    You say the EV's on Garchomp are to outspeed speedy Clefable, but your spread already allows mega chomp to outspeed max speed Timid Clefable by 11 points. At that point; wouldn't you put those extra EV's into HP? AV T-Tar looks pretty nice for this team, I think Pursuit would be a good fit on it to to trap Latios especially for Lilligant, Entei, and Garchomp.

    Don't get me wrong, psilo. I appreciate the innovation! Innovatin is what keeps the meta fresh and interesting to the person doin it, but I am rating the team and tryna help it! Don't just assume i'll be aware of the ins and outs of these particular EV spreads; you have to explain them beforehand so that everyone understands before rating.
     
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  5. Psilo

    Psilo FanaticalPokecultist

    Thanks for commenting again. Please also comment on the update battle mechanics summary that I posted just before you as well, I love discussing play mechanics meta as well.
    Kindly, Psilo
     
  6. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Well-Known Member

    I haven't read your entire wall of text. I mean, if you want people to read everything, learn how to be concise. Your description is all over the place and quite confusing. Structure it.

    Secondly, you haven't told us about which format this is for. Singles, doubles, restricted, unrestricted, level 50s, level 100s, w/e. You're just talking about 'the ladder' which is a very vague term. You need to clarify that before mods shut down your thread.

    Thirdly, you're talking about excellent mathematics, but you don't appear to understand how the pokémon stat system works, as evidenced by your EVs. For hitpoints, the stats are calculated like this:

    HP Stat = floor{(2 * species-specific base stat [find this in serebiidex] + HP IV + floor[HP EVs/4])* Level / 100} + Level + 10

    other stats

    stat = floor[(floor{(2 * species-specific base stat [find this in serebiidex] + IV + floor[EVs/4]) * Level /100} + 5) * Nature modifier]

    Because there's a term of floor(EVs/4) in there, any remainder of EVs/4 is discarded, so EVs always have to be divisible by 4 if you don't want to throw away stats. If you are fighting in a level 50 format like the battle spot, VGC, and most PGL competitions, the term IV + floor[EVs/4] is later multiplied by Level / 100, or halved, and then floored. This means that the sum of IV + floor[EV/4] has to be even for level 50 battles, otherwise you're losing stats due to rounding. Essentially, for level 50 battles, you'd therefore want your EVs to be divisible by 4 but not divisible by 8 if your IV is odd (which it is for Best IVs). Since you actually have odd numbers of EVs, not to mention you state that your Ferrothorn outspeeds Toxapex with 17 speed EVs and no IVs which is simply impossible on any level, you don't seem to understand how the pokémon stat system works. That's the fundamental basics of EV training, actually knowing what you're doing.

    Finally. Getting a 0 speed IV on Ferrothorn and going for a speed lowering nature but then also investing EVs into that same stat is counter-productive. You could also gain that extra speed by going for a different nature or getting a higher IV instead of wasting EVs into speed.
     
  7. Psilo

    Psilo FanaticalPokecultist

    Hmmm, well you just claimed to not be able to read the so-called wall of text that you just commented on. So I would like to contemplate on the fact of why you only commented on certain things but clearly read the whole thing, and understood it perfectly. Posting walls of text is an actual true thing of academians, and should always be respected, as I was very well taught by truly educated people. Oh, and I did explain the ev's btw. I mentioned the mathematical reasoning behind their construction on Reun and even the very awesome and cool theory behind the constructional theory of its meta theory composition of constructional play style, which is actually even (and EVEN evenly!) explained by its ev's. I also posted the ev explanations of the other pokemon with custom sets as well. Plain 252 ev sets are not the only way to run mons, people. The meta game would be boring. Please re-read and actually comment on good things if you feel the need to comments. It's always respectful to read everything before you comment on it btw, no matter how big the wall of text. I was always taught this by my teachers, and it really is an academic truth. This is also a truth for an rmt that was beautifully written to inspire fun debate with brilliant scientific ideas. So respectful comments are always appreciated :) That's even directed to you Sceptile Leaf Blade :)So let's all respond with good further debate! :) This is stated cheerfully of course, because I am truly proud of this team.
    -Psilo
     
  8. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Well-Known Member

    To an extent I agree that it is a good thing to read everything, but as an author you want to convey information to your reader. I have scientific experience and being concise and having focus are important, otherwise your writing gets chaotic and it becomes hard to follow for the reader. Having actual structure in your writing is important, it holds the attention of your readers. Writing unnecessarily long walls of text is not encouraged or appreciated in academics at all. It goes both ways. Writing with proper grammar, spelling, structure, and conciseness also shows care from your side and respect towards your audience and their time. From how you respond to me now it feels like you haven't read what I wrote either. I went into detail on why your EV mathematics are flawed, and you did not address that point whatsoever. Nowhere do I state that you should run 252 EV sets, or that that's the only way to run pokémon. I make a point about how you don't specify the format for which this team is, despite the forum rules depicting you have to. You do not address that whatsoever in your reply. I make a point on how EVs should always be divisible by 4 regardless of level because otherwise you throw away stats, and most of your pokémon don't have that. You don't address that point at all. I make a point on how your set for Ferrothorn does not outpace Toxapex after you state it does. It simply does not. You do not acknowledge that at all either.

    If you did explain the actual construction of your EVs, it's buried somewhere deep within your wall of text and very hard to find because your wall of text is all over the place. Forgive me for not meticulously scanning every sentence for it. This is just a lack of structure. And as I said, I already see that you do not understand how stats and EVs actually work, as evidenced by your EV spreads that simply throw away stats due to rounding.

    Another thing is that the rules also state that you have to listen be open and take advice. You do not seem to do that whatsoever. The impression I get is that you primarily want to gloat. You gloat about how strong your team is, how good your writing is, and so on, but you're not actively listening to criticism. Why should I spend time dissecting your post presumably to help you out improve your team if you won't listen to it anyway?
     
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  9. Psilo

    Psilo FanaticalPokecultist

    The grammar of my post is actually impeccable. I am very studied in the arts of language. And am very educated, even antiquatedly, in the arts of formal language. But thank you for your comments on what was already perfect, an mentioned. Btw, it's considered rude rude etiquette to only comment on grammar of posters, especially when it is perfect. I really wrote this post in being inspired by meta game fun, and even made the post fun with impeccable creative writing skill for the sake of discussion fun. But thanks for the rate.
    -Psilo
     
  10. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Well-Known Member

    I did not comment on the grammar of your posts, I commented on their structure.
     
  11. Psilo

    Psilo FanaticalPokecultist

    Well, grammar is truly another name for structure, even language logical and languagological if you actually ever study it. But, thanks for the comment.
    -Psilo
     
  12. MetalSonic

    MetalSonic Orderan' Defendan'

    I do think Sceptile Leaf Blade meant the structure of the post itself, psilo, not the grammar. A big wall of text is very off-putting when trying to explain an entire team. Big walls of text may be accepted wherever you are taught at, but here, when trying to explain the functions of 6 Pokemon in what I assume is OU with such unique sets, it just isn't very practical. In the future you should explain each Pokemon and what they bring to the team right under their posted sets so everyone can read it easier!

    If you dont know what I mean take a look at the rules; https://forums.serebii.net/threads/gen-7-rmt-rules-guidelines.655079/
     
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  13. Sceptile Leaf Blade

    Sceptile Leaf Blade Well-Known Member

    Not necessarily. Grammar talks about the order of words within a sentence to create meaning to said sentence. I am talking about overall structure. Where do you place which sentences, which sentences add something to your point and which ones can be omitted. Where do you include paragraph spaces to break up your text. As an example, take this section of your big wall of text:

    First of all, your language is not perfect. You spelled Garchomp wrong. But more importantly, the last sentence is a repeat of the sentence preceding it, just worded differently. It does not add anything. Also, the way these sentences are framed gives the impression that you're wrapping up your text and writing a conclusion, but this is not even halfway through the wall of text.

    I normally don't comment at all on language use of other people in informal settings like a pokémon forum, but your post is so badly written that it is very difficult to read and you praise yourself on your impeccable linguistic skills. Nobody here has actively tried rating your team yet because nobody understands your way of thinking. I honestly don't know if you're actually seriously trying to get feedback for your team (if so, please take up the advice you've been given and make your post readable) or are just trying to troll here. I'm going to assume the latter and unwatch this thread now, I don't have the confidence that there is potential for actual debate here.
     
  14. Ragnarok

    Ragnarok #BeastMode Staff Member Super Mod

    That massive wall of text won't do at all. Follow the format outlined in the rules before posting another RMT please.
     
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