New Mega Evolutions Discussion Thread

[Shine]

I find it funny that some people didn't notice normal Camerupt already has an "M" on its head since the beginning

The Mega just makes it even more obvious.

 

[Erron Black]

I find it funny that some people didn't notice normal Camerupt already has an "M" on its head since the beginning

The Mega just makes it even more obvious.

I know XD

M-Sharpedo also apparently has an "A'' on it's nose.

 

[MechaBulba]

Not sure if I should update my current Sharpedo's movepool for the Mega.

It currently has
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Protect (because it has speed boost)
- Destiny Bond

Conflicted on whether I should swap out a move out for Poison Fang? It will get a damage boost plus hurt Fairies and most grass types (but no common ones like Venusaur). Waterfall is a great STAB even without the boost from Big Jaws and can dent Fairies, Crunch is also STAB plus gets an attack boost, Protect is a must for speed boost and finally there's Destiny Bond a move that thanks to speed boost can be really useful at removing some high powered threats to help the rest of my team e.g. a Mega Rayquaza can do all the boosts it wants, but it will still get removed from the game if it dose not expect a speedy Destiny Bond (unless its uses Extreme Speed :/ so maybe bad example). hhhhhmmmmm? Thoughts?

*Oh I should note that I almost exclusivity tend to battle in Doubles.

 

[Aetius]

Not sure if I should update my current Sharpedo's movepool for the Mega.

It currently has
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Protect (because it has speed boost)
- Destiny Bond

Conflicted on whether I should swap out a move out for Poison Fang? It will get a damage boost plus hurt Fairies and most grass types (but no common ones like Venusaur). Waterfall is a great STAB even without the boost from Big Jaws and can dent Fairies, Crunch is also STAB plus gets an attack boost, Protect is a must for speed boost and finally there's Destiny Bond a move that thanks to speed boost can be really useful at removing some high powered threats to help the rest of my team e.g. a Mega Rayquaza can do all the boosts it wants, but it will still get removed from the game if it dose not expect a speedy Destiny Bond (unless its uses Extreme Speed :/ so maybe bad example). hhhhhmmmmm? Thoughts?

*Oh I should note that I almost exclusivity tend to battle in Doubles.

Maybe Ice Fang?
I will give it to my Sharpedo, so that it can hurt flying, grass and dragon types.
Or you could keep it the way it is, which still works.

 

[Hidden Power]

The anime seems to show that the wings can change shape. Probably different shape for walking/flapping/take off and gliding.
So while I never had a problem with the wings in the first place this just made it better.

Quite the contrary, seeing the video reinforced my dislike for Mega Salamence, more so than its normal version.

Salamence is Pokemon's deformed version of the typical European dragon/wyvern, but unfortunately with much less detail, like its flattened wings and fin-like structure(?) on the side of its head. Mega Salamence takes that one step further with an even more simplified wing design. Not sure why it tucked its forelegs but not its hind legs, or why it has this pointlessly wide wingspan, but as far as aerodynamics go it looks more like a flimsy kite to me rather than a sound barrier-breaking fearsome dragon.

 

[Axelsaurus]

Maybe Ice Fang?
I will give it to my Sharpedo, so that it can hurt flying, grass and dragon types.
Or you could keep it the way it is, which still works.

Yeah, waterfall/crunch/ice fang/protect will be the most common set probably. Poison fang is still too weak, even after Strong Jaws' boost. Potentially some set could use EQ for extra coverage or aqua jet for priority... maybe even zen headbutt or poison jab; destiny bond is still a choice, but it works better with standard Speed Boost Sharpedo rather than its mega. It's a shame that Mega Sharpedo waisted some boost on sp.attack: that +15 in physical attack or speed would've been much better (counting that Sharpedo doesn't have anything to raise its attack). With strong jaws now there's no need to run ice beam, being ice fang superior, so it is for crunch over dark pulse; spreading EVs on sp.attack would be a waist now that Sharpedo's defenses are somewhat "usable", therefore even hydropump will always be and inferior choice over waterfall.

 

[Aetius]

Yeah, waterfall/crunch/ice fang/protect will be the most common set probably. Poison fang is still too weak, even after Strong Jaws' boost. Potentially some set could use EQ for extra coverage or aqua jet for priority... maybe even zen headbutt or poison jab; destiny bond is still a choice, but it works better with standard Speed Boost Sharpedo rather than its mega. It's a shame that Mega Sharpedo waisted some boost on sp.attack: that +15 in physical attack or speed would've been much better (counting that Sharpedo doesn't have anything to raise its attack). With strong jaws now there's no need to run ice beam, being ice fang superior, so it is for crunch over dark pulse; spreading EVs on sp.attack would be a waist now that Sharpedo's defenses are somewhat "usable", therefore even hydropump will always be and inferior choice over waterfall.

Yeah, I too didn't understand that boost in Sp.Atk.
I'm aware that some people use Sharpedo as a Sp.Attacker, but considering that they gave him an ability that rises the power of its physical attacks, I think that it's kind of a big waste....
In any case, am I the only one who is disappointed in Glalie not gaining Dark as its secondary typing?
I mean, he looks incredibly threatening and.....creepy. LOL

 

[oarfish]

Yeah, I too didn't understand that boost in Sp.Atk.
I'm aware that some people use Sharpedo as a Sp.Attacker, but considering that they gave him an ability that rises the power of its physical attacks, I think that it's kind of a big waste....
In any case, am I the only one who is disappointed in Glalie not gaining Dark as its secondary typing?
I mean, he looks incredibly threatening and.....creepy. LOL

I also do not get the boosts that some MegaEvolutions got in their lower attacking stats (discounting the mixed attackers). I have become used to it I suppose, but it still seems odd.
As for Glalie, a lot of people (including me) were hoping that it would get a secondary typing for its MegaEvolution. Dark I can see, but I suppose that would give it more weaknesses (with a x4 Fighting one) for a limited second STAB.

 

[Hidden Power]

I also do not get the boosts that some MegaEvolutions got in their lower attacking stats (discounting the mixed attackers). I have become used to it I suppose, but it still seems odd.

Logically and practically speaking, the 100 BST should have gone only into stats that mattered. In fact, barring the psuedos/legendaries and pokes with highly uneven stats spread (like Lucario) the majority of the Pokemon can't utilize a mixed set-up even if they happen to have roughly equal Attack and Special Attack, since they don't have enough BSTs to invest in two attacking stats at the same time, end up being mediocre in either set. If the Pokemon is fairly bulky and fairly fast, investing in any stats except the lower attacking stats isn't too bad. But glass cannon probably won't even need any defense boosts, while slowpokes won't benefit from a couple of speed points either.

I think Game Freak has done a fairly good job assigning points, especially for pokes like Beedrill (if pokebeach's information are reliable enough). But they might've still believed that mixed set works for certain mid-range Pokemon.

 

[Navarch]

I read somewhere that Flygon, Jirachi, Solrock, and Lunatone are to receive Mega Evolutions, but they just aren't in the game's data yet. Is this old news?

 

[oarfish]

Logically and practically speaking, the 100 BST should have gone only into stats that mattered. In fact, barring the psuedos/legendaries and pokes with highly uneven stats spread (like Lucario) the majority of the Pokemon can't utilize a mixed set-up even if they happen to have roughly equal Attack and Special Attack, since they don't have enough BSTs to invest in two attacking stats at the same time, end up being mediocre in either set. If the Pokemon is fairly bulky and fairly fast, investing in any stats except the lower attacking stats isn't too bad. But glass cannon probably won't even need any defense boosts, while slowpokes won't benefit from a couple of speed points either.

I think Game Freak has done a fairly good job assigning points, especially for pokes like Beedrill (if pokebeach's information are reliable enough). But they might've still believed that mixed set works for certain mid-range Pokemon.

You make some good points here. Giving Pokémon minor stat boosts in stats that would not matter that much.
Your examples of Lucario and Beedriill make sense. Their stat boosts seem quite well done.

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

Why is everyone saying that Primal Kyogre flat out sucks and is underwhelming compared to Primal Groudon and Mega Rayquaza? You do know that Kyogre is still the best of the 3, right? Nobody in their right mind would stay on Primal Groudon if it put the sun up last. Primal Kyogre and Mega Swampert is also a thing now. You do know that Precipipe blades does not get a boost in the sun unlike Origin Pulse, (rain) right?

 

[Disaster_Lord]

I read somewhere that Flygon, Jirachi, Solrock, and Lunatone are to receive Mega Evolutions, but they just aren't in the game's data yet. Is this old news?

Old hopes shattered by the crude demo datamine reality. However as several post where pretty much biased arguments about why some wanted more MEvos in the final release we are not allowed to discuss about that being or not being a possibility in absolute terms.

Several FakeMegas are on the net, most of them are on the pokemons you mentioned so be careful.

 

[WhiteBlair]

I'm wondering about which set should I prefer for my M-Salamence. Physical or Special? I don't want to waste 145 base Attack along with having the chance to run Facade in any case of WoW. Though, Hyper Voice M-Salamence might hit hard as well.

Planning on:

Salamence - @Salamencite.
Adamant Nature: (+Atk , -SpAtk.)
252 Atk, 252 Spd, +4 either HP or SpDef.

- Return/Facade.
- Dragon Claw/Outrage.
- Earthquake.
- Protect or any other move I can think of as replacement.

 

[shadowF]

I wonder if I can mega evolve rayquaza and still have one more pokemon to mega evolve In my team?

 

[Axelsaurus]

Why is everyone saying that Primal Kyogre flat out sucks and is underwhelming compared to Primal Groudon and Mega Rayquaza? You do know that Kyogre is still the best of the 3, right? Nobody in their right mind would stay on Primal Groudon if it put the sun up last. Primal Kyogre and Mega Swampert is also a thing now. You do know that Precipipe blades does not get a boost in the sun unlike Origin Pulse, (rain) right?

Well, I'm not one of those people, however they've some points. Substantially, is true to assert that Kyogre is the one of the trio that gained the minor boost. Primal Groudon received a fantastic addition in fire typing, and thanks to its new improved ability it doesn't have to worry about x4 weakness to water (except for slower P-Kyogres and Mega Quaza), but not only that: it has now a great 150 base special attack, meaning that it can abuse its special movepool for devastating mixed sets, just think about the plethora of fire typing special moves boosted by its new STAB and ability, or other significant coverage moves such as solar beam. Also, when you're talking about the best of the 3, in my mind that one is definitely Mega Rayquaza! Delta stream is just amazing for it, the perfect ability for that typing; also the stat boosts are nearly as perfect (180 offenses, 100 defenses and 115 base speed, that's some SCARY flying dragon), and of course one of its greatest additions is its new signature move Dragon Ascent, a flying type STAB close combat, even better than brave bird and more spammable than outrage by far. Primal Kyogre isn't bad by any means, of course it'll still be one of the best uber pokémon out there, but it's quite undeniable that it gained much less than the others: the boost in physical attack is practically useless (maybe some mixed sets with EQ? Even giving that point, it isn't very exciting) and its signature move Origin Pulse is almost an hydropump with +5 PP and accuracy... A signature recovery move would've been much more useful IMO (and greatly OP as well, I'll give you that). The ability has improved a lot of course, but neutralizing resisted fire type moves for Kyogre isn't as useful as neutralizing x4 s.effective water moves for Groudon. So, my conclusion is that Kyogre was already an extremely good pokémon and GF decided to not boost it too much, while Groudon and Rayquaza where suffering much more competition in their environment, so they gave them great uniqueness to compensate.

And about Primal Kyogre + Mega Swampert... that would only works in multiple battles, of course not in singles as Primordial Sea will cease after switching out.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

I wonder if I can mega evolve rayquaza and still have one more pokemon to mega evolve In my team?

I don't think Rayquaza is a primal so the standard 1 mega per team probably still applies.

 

[Axelsaurus]

We now know that we can use one mega and one primal or two primals in the same team... however, I was wondering, can we use both primals and one mega? That would sounds incredibly broken and awesome at the same time.

 

[PearlDex]

I wonder if I can mega evolve rayquaza and still have one more pokemon to mega evolve In my team?

Rayquaza has been said to mega evolve in a different way, but it is still a mega evolution. I have 3 pokemon who CAN mega evolve in my team (in my signature). I only gave Venusaur a mega stone, but let's say I gave one to Gardevoir and Houndoom, too. After 1 pokemon Mega Evolves, the other ones cannot. I can only imagine the same thing is true for Mega Rayquaza. If you initiate whatever its mega evolutionary technique is, the mega stones in your party will stop working.

 

[DanteKoriyu]

Primals have nothing to do with the Mega Evolution limit. You can have both Primals and a Mega Evolution on your team and use all three in the same battle.

Despite the fact that the official reveal video said the dragon's Mega Stone would be in ORAS, there is no data for it in the demo. The video also shows that Rayquaza Mega Evolves without the trainer using their Key Stone. So, depending on what ends up triggering Rayquaza's Mega Evolution, you may be able to use it in battle along with the other three as well. Will have to wait and see.