New Mega Evolutions Discussion Thread

[phanpycross]

I wonder if the ORAS mega's will all have special animations for Mevolving during contsts, like altaria.

I never thought that GF could top the effort put in HGSS, but with new features and flying mechanics, it could be it.

 

[Disaster_Lord]

Niice hehe. Iam mostly going to use this pokemon just for Diamond Storm. Ive always wandered why GF didnt make a good Physical rock type move until now. I like your set, but I will probably put hidden power fire in place of Rock polish.

I hope one day we get a 100% accurcy, with at least 75-80PB physical rock type move.V0_0V

A small reminder hp fire requires 30 ivs in speed, Making you lose the speed tie on gengar, latios, Mmetagross and everyone who speed creeps for plus nature 110 base speed. HP fire for me isnt worthy if i have teamates.

 

[cryuel]

And this is the first time i jear the words Msceptile and moved to Ubers in the same sentence...
He is decent ill give you that. But his standard base speed isnt a godseend one, if you add the speed creeping into factor he does get sniped a lot. And to be honest he is just another late game cleaner who uses your megastone, wich happens to dislike birdspam to boot.

He has a great mixed movepool tough.

Are you kidding me - his base speed is, while not "godsend", not with common rivals. xD
Time will tell, and I agree with comments made by others that M-Salamence is far more Uber (kind of a no-brainer, really) but these things don't have to be mutually exclusive. It has a great mixed move pool, and if patterns of good mixed set users in the Smogon community are any indications (M-Lucario, Aegislash), it may face a suspect test at the very least. All speculative, but mark my words.

 

[Psynergy]

it may face a suspect test at the very least. All speculative, but mark my words.

I don't see how Mega Sceptile has much chance at a suspect test. Mega Sceptile has solid stats for an offensive Grass type, though there's nothing inherently broken about it. It's got a slightly lacking special movepool, weaknesses to common priority and weak defenses, and it's one of two dragon types that lack the ability to learn Draco Meteor, which is a move Mega Sceptile would love to have. Mega Sceptile has a lot to bring back to being viable, but base 145 Special Attack and Speed can only get you so far.

Even if it somehow did get banned though, Mega Sceptile's future in competitive would almost completely die. While it's not a factor in deciding to ban something, it's incredibly hard to justify using it (and numerous other Megas) over Mega Salamence/Rayquaza as is. And it's only niche would be outspeeding the aforementioned Dragons if they haven't boosted their speed already.

Mega Sceptile is far from a bad Mega, at worst it'll probably have a niche use in OU. But of all the new Megas I'd consider broken, Sceptile is definitely not one of them.

 

[malcolm_n]

A small reminder hp fire requires 30 ivs in speed, Making you lose the speed tie on gengar, latios, Mmetagross and everyone who speed creeps for plus nature 110 base speed. HP fire for me isnt worthy if i have teamates.

I don't understand this. Did the mechanics of Hidden Power change? I'm pretty sure you still need a spread of IVs to get HP Fire, not just a guaranteed 30 Speed.

In any case, Do we know for sure now if Japan is the only country with Mega Steelix in the demo or are there still some waiting for its release?

 

[Disaster_Lord]

I don't understand this. Did the mechanics of Hidden Power change? I'm pretty sure you still need a spread of IVs to get HP Fire, not just a guaranteed 30 Speed.

In any case, Do we know for sure now if Japan is the only country with Mega Steelix in the demo or are there still some waiting for its release?

Thats my point to run hp fire you must forego 1 iv in speed. Making you soower than those with 31 speed ivs. Almost every other base 110 user bar the ocasional hp fire latios run a set of 31 ivs making naive hp fire diancie go last against them. If i run a naive or a non rp set i just go with 31 ivs in speed thus ignoring hp fire.

 

[Rio!]

I don't see how Mega Sceptile has much chance at a suspect test. Mega Sceptile has solid stats for an offensive Grass type, though there's nothing inherently broken about it. It's got a slightly lacking special movepool, weaknesses to common priority and weak defenses, and it's one of two dragon types that lack the ability to learn Draco Meteor, which is a move Mega Sceptile would love to have. Mega Sceptile has a lot to bring back to being viable, but base 145 Special Attack and Speed can only get you so far.

Even if it somehow did get banned though, Mega Sceptile's future in competitive would almost completely die. While it's not a factor in deciding to ban something, it's incredibly hard to justify using it (and numerous other Megas) over Mega Salamence/Rayquaza as is. And it's only niche would be outspeeding the aforementioned Dragons if they haven't boosted their speed already.

Mega Sceptile is far from a bad Mega, at worst it'll probably have a niche use in OU. But of all the new Megas I'd consider broken, Sceptile is definitely not one of them.

I have to agree. It'll admittedly does it's job well up against Electric users, and absorb/discourage T-Wave *with doubles in mind* but your opponent is likely to not attempt that since they know what it means when Sceptile comes out.
I think if it weren't for Sceptile's barren special move-pool, and it's painful typing bringing in an additional x2 plus a quad weakness it could likely have a better chance offensively. Quick Guard is at least cool since it'll have the fastest one to date, I believe against most prankster/Gale Wind/Priority Attackers.

 

[Genousity]

So I just got my Diancie from gamestop and I was wondering what a good nature for it would be?
I wanna set it up for mega evolving.

it has perfect Ivs in speed. Spl-attack, and attack but has a relaxed nature.

should I reset my game?

 

[XXD17]

GF loves Fighting and Elemental types (water, fire, electrik, grass) and hates eveyrything else. Reliable moves with 100+ power should exist for every type. Steel are forced to use gyro ball or iron miss, rock are forced to use stone miss or head smash with stupid recoil, dark are forced to use crunch, ghost are forced to use Shadow ball (even if WoW/Toxik + Hex is really powerful), most poison types don't have access to gunk miss and belch is just stupid, ground have literally two playable moves, EQ and earthpower, etc etc.. Seriously sometimes i just don't get what they think.


But iron tail is really the one that needs help. Either 85 accuracy, 120 BP or 50% secondary effect chance, it needs something. Power gem needs 90 BP too, especially since it has no effect and almost no pokemon get it.

I definitely agree with you on some (like rock who's best physical moves (SE and RS) are not 100% while just having power gem on the special side) but I do disagree on some others...poison has sludge bomb, which is 90 base power and 100% accurate as well as sludge wave, which is even more powerful...steel has iron head, which is 100% accuracy and pretty strong with flash cannon on the special side...for ghosts, shadow ball is pretty good, but they do lack a good physical move though having to resort to shadow claw...As for loving elemental types, that's not necessarily true either...fire has only fire punch which is 75 base power or flare blitz, which causes recoil as its physical moves and the same case is for electric only with thunder punch and wild charge...my main want still is a special fighting attack that is widely distributed and 100% accurate since focus miss is too real a thing...make it 80 BP or something...

So I just got my Diancie from gamestop and I was wondering what a good nature for it would be?
I wanna set it up for mega evolving.

it has perfect Ivs in speed. Spl-attack, and attack but has a relaxed nature.

should I reset my game?

Depends on what you want...more speed initially or more power..most people either run naive (like myself) or rash...

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

So I just got my Diancie from gamestop and I was wondering what a good nature for it would be?
I wanna set it up for mega evolving.

it has perfect Ivs in speed. Spl-attack, and attack but has a relaxed nature.

should I reset my game?

Go for Naive, the mega is meant to be a speedy mixed mon.

 

[Rio!]

I definitely agree with you on some (like rock who's best physical moves (SE and RS) are not 100% while just having power gem on the special side) but I do disagree on some others...poison has sludge bomb, which is 90 base power and 100% accurate as well as sludge wave, which is even more powerful...steel has iron head, which is 100% accuracy and pretty strong with flash cannon on the special side...for ghosts, shadow ball is pretty good, but they do lack a good physical move though having to resort to shadow claw...As for loving elemental types, that's not necessarily true either...fire has only fire punch which is 75 base power or flare blitz, which causes recoil as its physical moves and the same case is for electric only with thunder punch and wild charge...my main want still is a special fighting attack that is widely distributed and 100% accurate since focus miss is too real a thing...make it 80 BP or something...

There is Shadow Punch for some Ghosts, though it has a weak BP of 60, it gets a boost if Golurk has Iron Fist *only alternative*.
I am surprised more Fighters don't get Aura Sphere, it's the only reliable special attack in existence *exception to Keldeo's Secret Sword*. Focus Blast is just plain obnoxious. :B
Nearly all other 90+ BP physical moves have some sort of recoil which is a little odd in comparison to a lot of others.

When you take into consideration Poison's position, it's actually in dire need of Sludge Bomb/Gunk Shot since the only other alternative it has is the weaker Poison Jab. They tend to be the ones walled more easily and are constantly over-shadowed by others, even with Fairies being a thing now *except Gengar and Toxicroak to an extent*.

 

[Genousity]

ok but how should the Ev spread be?

 

[XXD17]

ok but how should the Ev spread be?

If you're going mixed, 252 speed, 252 special attack and rest in attack I guess since the only physical attack you'll be using is diamond storm...but I think you can allocate more EV's to attack if yo want...max speed is a necessity though....


A little off topic but I just realized how good of a volc counter diancie is...

 

[Genousity]

aw ok so that would make normal Diancie well rounded then stat wise I guess.

ugh soft resetting for diancie takes for ever...

So does anybody wonder how where gonna get Diancies mega stone.

 

[Khaelis]

So does anybody wonder how where gonna get Diancies mega stone.

Probably a triggered event in ORAS. Trade it over, bring it to a certain NPC looking for Diancie, poof Mega Stone.

 

[NorthernAurora]

Probably a triggered event in ORAS. Trade it over, bring it to a certain NPC looking for Diancie, poof Mega Stone.

Oh God I hope not, the scene where we get Diancie in x and y is rather underwhelming, want something better to obtain the mega stone rather than "oh you've got the mythical pokemon Diancie? Oh have this!"

I hope it's something that goes just a little into her back story, maybe one of these islands we can only reach via latwins?

 

[Sailor Saturn]

Got my code for Diancie and am going to download it tonight. Just wish we could change/give them nicknames though. I want to call mine Toinette after Marie Antoinette. I hope (maybe in vain) we get the mega stone pre-E4 because I want to use Diancie for the entire play through and would like the option to use it's Mega in the E4.

 

[Mr.Munchlax]

Are you kidding me - his base speed is, while not "godsend", not with common rivals. xD
Time will tell, and I agree with comments made by others that M-Salamence is far more Uber (kind of a no-brainer, really) but these things don't have to be mutually exclusive. It has a great mixed move pool, and if patterns of good mixed set users in the Smogon community are any indications (M-Lucario, Aegislash), it may face a suspect test at the very least. All speculative, but mark my words.

At the very least, I'm just hoping that its mega evolution will knock Sceptile out of the NU tier

 

[cryuel]

At the very least, I'm just hoping that its mega evolution will knock Sceptile out of the NU tier

That shouldn't be too hard to do. I mean, it's definitely a very viable Pokemon, but due to tiers being defined by the populace, it simply hasn't seen much play. I personally find physical SD sets fairly powerful for a NU member.

 

[Endless]

Oh God I hope not, the scene where we get Diancie in x and y is rather underwhelming, want something better to obtain the mega stone rather than "oh you've got the mythical pokemon Diancie? Oh have this!"

I hope it's something that goes just a little into her back story, maybe one of these islands we can only reach via latwins?

I don't see a major in-game event happening. I think it will just be a NPC telling you a little about it and then handing the stone to you. Then again I might be wrong, but that will only result in a pleasant surprise for me.

However if we just get an NPC talking I hope that the talking will actually reveal something. The event in XY is only talking about how pretty Diancie is. Besides this we don't know much about it except that it can create diamonds and that Carbink admire it. Compare this to the guy telling you about Hoopa, which gives a lot of backstory and help flesh out the pokémon. Not to mention that Hoopa will presumable get even more backstory with the new forme.
So while Diancie isn't the only legendary with little story to it that doesn't mean it should stay that way. I would for example be quite happy if an NPC would tell us more about how a Carbink suddenly became Diancie.