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New Pokémon/Formes Discussion & Speculation

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Bus

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Anybody else catch the fact that it looks like Manetric is Ultra Moon Exclusive and Houndoom is Ultra Sun exclusive? It's funny how those two end up being exclusives again. They, as well as their mega stones, were each exclusive in X & Y, too.
 

shadowF

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It's hard for me to think we will get new Alolan forms after today, I really feel if they were to announce them they would have done it today to coincide with the GSVC release and help promote sells. There is always a possibility that they may reveal them in October but I am not keeping my hopes up, as I feel there is now a 20% chance of there being new Alolan forms in USUM.

I would be happy if someone could convince me that there is still a strong possibility of new Alolan forms though!
 

Tropios

':o Me is stinky??'
It's hard for me to think we will get new Alolan forms after today, I really feel if they were to announce them they would have done it today to coincide with the GSVC release and help promote sells. There is always a possibility that they may reveal them in October but I am not keeping my hopes up, as I feel there is now a 20% chance of there being new Alolan forms in USUM.

I would be happy if someone could convince me that there is still a strong possibility of new Alolan forms though!

Well I think Game Freak going out of their way to add entirely new pokemon/UBs mid generation makes me very hopeful, since Alolans are basically less effort. I don't think GSVC is really a strong enough correlation to new alolans, since I never really believed in the theory that only Johto pokemon would get new forms in USUM. It sort of made sense that it we only got them for Kanto mons last year since it was the 20th anniversary, it would make less sense to do that for a mere rerelease of GS.
 

Trainer Yusuf

VolcaniNO
As a s,de note, because of the Pokédex listings, we now know that UB-Assembly and Burst are the only new Pokémon, besides a possible mythical.
 

Erron Black

The Outlaw
I would be happy if someone could convince me that there is still a strong possibility of new Alolan forms though!

Considering the only real new thing they revealed was Mantine Surf, I'd say it's still a real possibility we're getting new Alola forms. If they went through the effort of creating new Pokemon, I totally see them doing the same with new Alola forms.

Why is everyone so pessimistic about new Alolans? They revealed about 10 of the 100 extra pokemon the Alola dex will have this time around. Plenty of space left for new Alolans. On top of that, the biggest news usually drops around the time Corocoro arrives, so it was a bit unlikely they would drop anything like now Alolans with this trailer.

Not only that we don't even know if all the Pokemon from SUMO are returning as well. So there's plenty of dex room for new Alola forms.
 
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Trainer Yusuf

VolcaniNO
What makes you say that?

Lunala is 390*, Necrozma is 400, so there is only 9 species in between.

If there are no new common species and mythicals, these are the only new Ultra Beasts.

*The number is confirmed in merch.
 
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Taodragon

Training Anaylst
I don't know if you already see it, but was confirmed Necrozma's forms new types :D (even if they are quite obvius)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKUziKnVwAEL4jv.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKUznejVoAULJxT.jpg

A NEW GHOST!!! I'm SO happy :D (I'm Ghost specialist :p)

I'm not surprised, but I am a bit disappointed since I was hoping they'd do something to mix it up between the two forms. I also am worried that it may mean Solgaleo and Lunala will be made completely obsolete if their stats and abilities are upgrades to both them and Necrozma since it already has their signature moves.

Lunala is 390*, Necrozma is 400, so there is only 9 species in between.

If there are no new common species and mythicals, these are the only new Ultra Beasts.

*The number is confirmed in merch.

Well, two's fine, it's still the first time they've added something completely new to the generation so it's a starting point. It would've been nice for them to have more, but at least the UBs are nice.
 

future.newyorker

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I still am fairly certain that the light form creature that is on the box arts is a new form of something (most likely Necrozma). It's being displayed too prominently in everything to not be in the game at all.
 

Aielyn

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While I'm still hoping we'll get new Alolan forms, it doesn't seem that likely now since they're adding so many pokémon to Alola's pokédex

That strikes me as *more* reason to think there might be new Alolan forms. The larger the increase in the dex, the more room to add some Alolan forms without making it feel like they're remixing all of the pokemon they're adding.

An interesting observation - all of the "added to the dex" pokemon in the newest trailer were in their first form... and Pikachu, Exeggcute and Cubone all evolve into Alolan forms despite not having Alolan forms themselves. Could we see Alolan Zoroark? Alolan Tyranitar (complete with Alolan Mega)?

Lunala is 390*, Necrozma is 400, so there is only 9 species in between.

If there are no new common species and mythicals, these are the only new Ultra Beasts.

*The number is confirmed in merch.

But you seem to be assuming that new pokemon would be inserted after Lunala in the Aloladex - the Aloladex is ordered by "appearance", other new pokemon would have lower numbers. Or they could end up having a new area post-UB/Legendary, resulting in the true Aloladex actually having greater than 400.

New pokemon will have National Dex numbers beyond Magearna/Marshadow, of course.

You also seem to be assuming that Ultra Beasts can't be inserted after Necrozma, as well - or, for that matter, that all of the UBs from SM will be returning in the Aloladex (rather than being SM-exclusive and needing to be transferred over).
 

.Aerodactyl.

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Lunala is 390*, Necrozma is 400, so there is only 9 species in between.

If there are no new common species and mythicals, these are the only new Ultra Beasts.

*The number is confirmed in merch.

That doesn't confirm anything at all? That's just the Alolan Dex number. It might confirm no new UB's beyond burst and assembly, but they could also be swapping out. Maybe Kartana and Celesteela aren't catchable in Usum (or any other UB really, take your pick). There could still be new Pokémon before that, they're rearranging the Dex. They wouldn't just be at the end of the Alola Dex, they'd be wherever they were catchable.

Also another note...what's the chance of them removing some lines to insert more? I know we all did the math and it seems to be adding 100ish new lines, but they also typically try and make almost everything catchable in a generation between games. I'm sure they won't get rid of any main lines, but they could very well be doing some swap outs of side lines...taking out a Pokémon like the Magnemite line or starting line and putting in something else. It would give people motivation to have both sumo and Usum, which can only profit them.

As for new Alolan forms... I'm still hopefully. Thinking about it this way, we are very close to release but we're also running out of things to reveal in that time. What could they possibly have left to show us? The mysterious suited four Characters, and what else? We've seen the photo club, the mantine surf, new UB's, Necrozma's forms, Mina's new trial, dusk form Lycanroc, some new z-moves...they could still have some z-moves to show us, and maybe the Pikachu park, but they'll also still need some other bigger reveals to share too. So there's likely a few bigger features left to highlight, hopefully it's some new Alolan forms!
 
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janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
That doesn't confirm anything at all? That's just the Alolan Dex number. It might confirm no new UB's beyond burst and assembly, but they could also be swapping out. Maybe Kartana and Celesteela aren't catchable in Usum (or any other UB really, take your pick). There could still be new Pokémon before that, they're rearranging the Dex. They wouldn't just be at the end of the Alola Dex, they'd be wherever they were catchable.

Also another note...what's the chance of them removing some lines to insert more? I know we all did the math and it seems to be adding 100ish new lines, but they also typically try and make almost everything catchable in a generation between games. I'm sure they won't get rid of any main lines, but they could very well be doing some swap outs of side lines...taking out a Pokémon like the Magnemite line or starting line and putting in something else. It would give people motivation to have both sumo and Usum, which can only profit them.

As for new Alolan forms... I'm still hopefully. Thinking about it this way, we are very close to release but we're also running out of things to reveal in that time. What could they possibly have left to show us? The mysterious suited four Characters, and what else? We've seen the photo club, the mantine surf, new UB's, Necrozma's forms, Mina's new trial, dusk form Lycanroc, some new z-moves...they could still have some z-moves to show us, and maybe the Pikachu park, but they'll also still need some other bigger reveals to share too. So there's likely a few bigger features left to highlight, hopefully it's some new Alolan forms!

But unfortunatelly I dont think there will be any new significiant news to share, otherwise they would have done so..
Hope I'm wrong
 

Taodragon

Training Anaylst
That doesn't confirm anything at all? That's just the Alolan Dex number. It might confirm no new UB's beyond burst and assembly, but they could also be swapping out. Maybe Kartana and Celesteela aren't catchable in Usum (or any other UB really, take your pick). There could still be new Pokémon before that, they're rearranging the Dex. They wouldn't just be at the end of the Alola Dex, they'd be wherever they were catchable.

It's possible, but remember that every other time that they have updated regional Pokedexes like with Platinum and B2W2, Pokémon weren't removed from them outright (especially Legendaries, which may be moved around, but not removed). Plus, even if the UBs are switched out and made unavailable (which wouldn't be Kartana as we briefly see it in a trailer), they'd likely still would be present in the dex for trading and completion purposes, so it's definitely within reason to believe that those two may be it in terms of new UBs.

Also, I don't think Yusef is saying we won't get any other new Pokémon, just that we may not get any other new UBs.
 

.Aerodactyl.

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But unfortunatelly I dont think there will be any new significiant news to share, otherwise they would have done so..
Hope I'm wrong

How do you figure that though? You think there won't be any new trailers or reveals until release then? I don't mean to make it sound like there definitely will be new Alolan forms or new Pokémon or anything. I just mean that each trailer they drop always tries and highlights one decently sized new feature, so there's likely a few more new features up their sleeves.
 

Aielyn

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Also another note...what's the chance of them removing some lines to insert more? I know we all did the math and it seems to be adding 100ish new lines, but they also typically try and make almost everything catchable in a generation between games. I'm sure they won't get rid of any main lines, but they could very well be doing some swap outs of side lines...taking out a Pokémon like the Magnemite line and putting in something else. It would give people motivation to have both sumo and Usum, which can only profit them.

Actually, history seems to indicate that they only make sure everything is catchable in the first generation on a new system. Gen V didn't even come close to making everything catchable, unless you count the Dream World, and even then it misses a heap of legendaries and starters... and the Pikachu family, weirdly (there were distribution events to get Pikachu, but otherwise, nope, not available in Gen V "natively" in any way). If you restrict it to the games themselves (no Dream World), many more are missing, such as Ekans, Tentacool, Scyther, Unown, Slugma, Nincada, Torkoal, and Snover.

Similarly, GSC didn't give access to the original starters, the fossils (other than Aerodactyl), or the Kanto legendaries.

Also, Gen IV lacked most of the Gen III legendaries... And it kind of makes sense - it's not reasonable to expect people who bought new hardware as their first system and first experience with Pokemon to go and find older hardware in order to play a previous generation game to complete their pokedex (not counting the mythicals). Gen IV was on a system that could play Gen III games, despite it being for an older system, so it's kind of a special case...

Gen VI and Gen VII are both 3DS generations, and anyone who can play Gen VII can also play Gen VI with the same hardware - as a result, don't be surprised if you can't catch-em-all in Gen VII alone, especially now that Pokemon Bank is a thing.

That said, there will probably be significantly more non-Aloladex pokemon catchable - expanded Island Scan, or a post-game location, or something more akin to Friend Safari... anything is possible.
 

Bus

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There's essentially just one more CoroCoro left now since the game comes out in November. The October should be the last. While a Corocoro will come out a few days before the game releases in November, it should just be a recap of everything learned thus far; it won't hold anything new. With only one reveal left, I doubt its anything major. We got lucky with 2 new UBs being added and predictably, the regional dex has been expanded to include a lot more previous pokemon (Just like the Black2/White 2 sequel shenanigans), so just about everything is learned. Next issue will probably hint at past Legendaries that can be obtained post game.
 
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janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
How do you figure that though? You think there won't be any new trailers or reveals until release then? I don't mean to make it sound like there definitely will be new Alolan forms or new Pokémon or anything. I just mean that each trailer they drop always tries and highlights one decently sized new feature, so there's likely a few more new features up their sleeves.

Well cuz the game is less than 2 months away and if they wanted to hype us up with they would reveal it so far. But again- I hope I'm wrong:)
 

Tropios

':o Me is stinky??'
There's essentially just one more CoroCoro left now since the game comes out in November. The October should be the last. While a Corocoro will come out a few days before the game releases in November, it should just be a recap of everything learned thus far; it won't hold anything new. With only one reveal left, I doubt its anything major. We got lucky with 2 new UBs being added and predictably, the regional dex has been expanded to include a lot more previous pokemon (Just like the Black2/White 2 sequel shenanigans), so just about everything is learned. Next issue will probably hint at past Legendaries that can be obtained post game.

We got this trailer at the end of the month as well didn’t we? Fairly certain we’ll get 2 more updates, Corocoro + extra trailer. They also started revealing stuff pretty late, so I would do anything but bet on there not being anything big when Corocoro drops
 

.Aerodactyl.

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We got this trailer at the end of the month as well didn’t we? Fairly certain we’ll get 2 more updates, Corocoro + extra trailer. They also started revealing stuff pretty late, so I would do anything but bet on there not being anything big when Corocoro drops

I actually don't think Corocoro is gonna give us much of anything to be honest, but I expect two more trailers before the game drops at least. Can't say why exactly, just a feeling. I'm hoping following Pokémon will be a thing revealed and it's just an optional feature, but I'm not holding my breath or anything. I feel like there's still a chance that even if we don't get new Pokémon, we still might get some new forms of Pokémon like Mimikyu, maybe a male salazzle and another Oriocorio. I wouldn't swear up and down that we will get more new forms, or new Pokémon, or bet all my money on it or anything, but after the new UB reveal, I just feel like anythings possible.
 
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