cricketlaxwolvesbandy
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Ash’s inconsistently in battle throughout every series (except in DP) bothers me. Often when he loses he deserves it because he made dumb mistakes (cough Cameron and Alain)
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November 5th: PM2019 086 - Mega Evolution VS Kyodaimax
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DankOverlord
Komodo Dragons Rule!
If the mistake was not using reserves then 100% agreed there. If that's not it, then you can't blame Ash for losing to a guy whose Ace had way more experience than any of his Kalosmons. Maybe the mistake I could say he had was using the inexperienced Noivern and Goodra who failed to pull their weight
Power Up
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I have literally no idea what " dumb mistakes " you're talking about with the Alain battle. Ash made use of multiple strategies in that battle. It really seems like you've taken the outcome of the battle and retrofitted it for some really whacky claims.
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
For a ninja, Greninja sure was pretty visible.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
I honestly think Pikachu would take down the octopus and not Lucario
It seems for the writer it isnt really a loose end since Riolu did still tie with it so technically it defeated it
I can see everyone getting one win each tbh
It seems for the writer it isnt really a loose end since Riolu did still tie with it so technically it defeated it
I can see everyone getting one win each tbh
Martinat388
He did the thing!
Tbh, this is one of the few cases where I'd accept a fall guy. While that's one way to put it, Lucario not being able to win without tieing would make the rivalry pointless. If they had another battle before that I'd be fine with that, but they didn't. Sorry Pikachu, you've gotta lose here.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
Honestly I think people are overhyping Lucario and Grappoloct's rivalry in general. Their battle was about overcoming Octolock, which Riolu DID in their last battle before passing out itself due to its lack of endurance since it was a basic stage mon. They even shared sweets and made peace in that episode! Lucario's 'rivalry' is tied with Ash's rivalry with Bea in general, it wants to prove itself strong and capable and considering riolu has bonded most with Ash in this series it signifies its strength and bond as it overcomes Bea
There arent any loose threads to tie with Grappoloct honestly I feel like
Martinat388
He did the thing!
I agree with that it's overhyped, but it makes me feel like the rivalry between Ash and Bea would be pointless.
Also, doesn't Grapploct have limber?
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
Why is Ash and Bea's rivalry pointless? It was never tied to the Octopus alone and ME clashing with Gigantamax would be a great way to end it off
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
The depression that Ash hogged all for himself while his Riolu was still happy even after getting beaten too many times by tentacles.
It makes more sense in context, I swear.
It makes more sense in context, I swear.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
As you said, Riolu and Octolock was the major focus here and Ash overcame it in the next episode
Pikachu and Kamon are both getting their revenge in this battle, so I dont see the issue?
Dragonsoldier77
Bittersweet Satisfaction
Like @AuraChannelerChris said that whole depression gag was really all on ash. Rioulu didn’t look like it cared about it in the slightest in that ep. So i don’t see anything personal between them.
Martinat388
He did the thing!
It started because Riolu was defeated by Grapploct, and wanted revenge. Even if it was a tie the 2nd time around, it just doesn't have the same feel as a win. It wouldn't be pointless, but it'd honestly hurt it for me.
Definitely agree about Mega Evolution vs Gigantamax being a great way to end it, though.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
It started coz they are both having the same goal and Ash was smashed by her, not to mention the Octolock strategy messed with him and his PWC rankings in general. Ash overcame the Octolock strategy pertaining to Riolu and now is set to win against Bea finally with Riolu at its full potential while avenging Korrina, I don't really think if Grappoloct isn't taken out by Lucario that it becomes pointless tbh
Martinat388
He did the thing!
But the thing is, Pikachu didn't care about being defeated by Grapploct. It shouldn't have even been in the fight to begin with, here it's fine, but it should've been Farfetch'd and Riolu in the rematch tbh, Farfetch'd really needed a win.
That said however, I think we should drop this argument before it gets too heated.
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Allegedly. All we got for now are two shots of a giant which is really just getting a close-up shot of tossing a punch (on a foe that already is smaller to it) and a big void Aura Sphere that only looks big without more effects for it.
Evstike
Take me back to peak pokemon
Giant orange water shuriken flashbacks
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
At least back then it was orange for some reason!
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