Badfemalecompanion
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Paul for Iris, Misty for Diantha and we'd have the real best 8. I'm loving your Sakura profile pic btw, I'm a big fan too...
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Now that the Masters have been revealed
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TurboAceK
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I'm probably in the minority where I like the PWC and think it's fine for the most part, not perfect at all but its good
The ranking system is fine, outside of the off screen battles I didn't have a problem with the actual progression Ash had
As KenzeyEevee pointed out the gaps between battles weren't consistent which I don't think it's the PWC problem but more of the episode order and structure (A Journeys problem)
For structure an example is between Bea 2 and Dozer we had the Darkest Day arc then filler episodes (Chloe got Eevee there but yeah) which took many episodes away from PWC and made the gap wider than it should have felt as despite Ash and his Pokemon being involved in the DD there wasn't any PWC for those 12ish episodes whereas at least Goh still had Goh episodes making it feel very Goh heavy
And an example for episode order was the first Bea battle where Ash lost then the next episode was Goh getting Pikachu? Then the Flygon episode was relevant as Ash was down, then we got the Alola episode that focused on Goh? Then the fossil episode with Aerodactyl?
Like imagine if the episodes went 34(loss) 36(depressed Ash) 39(Ash and Bea tie)
Then 35(Goh catches Pikachu) 37 (Alola) 38 (Aerodactyl) 40(Zapdos)
We would of gotten 3 episodes tied to Ash and Riolu vs Bea then 4 focused on Goh building up to the battle with Zapdos
Not perfect but I remember the jarring reaction from episode 35 Ash to 36 Ash was weird and I think episode order would have fixed that
And outside of getting rid of filler as that's the easy answer actual fixes I would make would be:
Having more of the one off battles like vs Dozer that gave Farfetch’d time to shine, more of these would have been good as I think even just having moments like the Pikachu vs Clawitzer battle where the battle was short it helped keep the viewer reminded of the PWC as even that episode had Korinna vs Ash in it so that could of been the formula for some of the Goh or Chloe or filler focused episodes
And Wallace kind of did this but more for jokes but you can take that structure as well or like the Kricketina episode where the episode focused on Goh but Ash got to battle her too
Another fix is to make the 1v1 matches after the normal class at least 2v2
Last fix I had is to have done more of those build up episodes they've been doing since Farfetch’d (arguably Riolu got some)
Like I think the build up episodes they did for Lucario vs Bea, Gengar vs Marnie, Sirfetch’d vs Rinto were great imo and no matter how you feel about the actual episodes that was the smart decision to focus on a Pokemon then that Pokemon has a major match after that development.
And I think maybe having that more throughout the series would have been good like imagine more build up for Dragonite vs Iris, Dracovish vs Drasna, Pikchu vs Volkner (can argue Z moves were foreshadowed) etc... wouldn't increase the actual PWC battle number but would make them have a bigger presence
So all in all early on just fix the episode order in early Journeys as despite what it might actually be it felt more Goh focused than Ash focused in the first half
And later on in Journeys no more 1v1s only 2v2s+ to give the Pokemon more time and screen time and raises the stakes
I do like the other ideas others said like double battles, reserves etc... I just think those are more optional than a “fix”
The ranking system is fine, outside of the off screen battles I didn't have a problem with the actual progression Ash had
As KenzeyEevee pointed out the gaps between battles weren't consistent which I don't think it's the PWC problem but more of the episode order and structure (A Journeys problem)
For structure an example is between Bea 2 and Dozer we had the Darkest Day arc then filler episodes (Chloe got Eevee there but yeah) which took many episodes away from PWC and made the gap wider than it should have felt as despite Ash and his Pokemon being involved in the DD there wasn't any PWC for those 12ish episodes whereas at least Goh still had Goh episodes making it feel very Goh heavy
And an example for episode order was the first Bea battle where Ash lost then the next episode was Goh getting Pikachu? Then the Flygon episode was relevant as Ash was down, then we got the Alola episode that focused on Goh? Then the fossil episode with Aerodactyl?
Like imagine if the episodes went 34(loss) 36(depressed Ash) 39(Ash and Bea tie)
Then 35(Goh catches Pikachu) 37 (Alola) 38 (Aerodactyl) 40(Zapdos)
We would of gotten 3 episodes tied to Ash and Riolu vs Bea then 4 focused on Goh building up to the battle with Zapdos
Not perfect but I remember the jarring reaction from episode 35 Ash to 36 Ash was weird and I think episode order would have fixed that
And outside of getting rid of filler as that's the easy answer actual fixes I would make would be:
Having more of the one off battles like vs Dozer that gave Farfetch’d time to shine, more of these would have been good as I think even just having moments like the Pikachu vs Clawitzer battle where the battle was short it helped keep the viewer reminded of the PWC as even that episode had Korinna vs Ash in it so that could of been the formula for some of the Goh or Chloe or filler focused episodes
And Wallace kind of did this but more for jokes but you can take that structure as well or like the Kricketina episode where the episode focused on Goh but Ash got to battle her too
Another fix is to make the 1v1 matches after the normal class at least 2v2
- Like Dozer could have been the Dracovish debut match as Ash caught it the previous episode
- Rinto could have given anyone like Gengar or Dragonite another battle if it was 2v2
- Marnie could have given us Pikachu vs Morpeko and even another battle since it was Ultra/Hyper class
Last fix I had is to have done more of those build up episodes they've been doing since Farfetch’d (arguably Riolu got some)
Like I think the build up episodes they did for Lucario vs Bea, Gengar vs Marnie, Sirfetch’d vs Rinto were great imo and no matter how you feel about the actual episodes that was the smart decision to focus on a Pokemon then that Pokemon has a major match after that development.
And I think maybe having that more throughout the series would have been good like imagine more build up for Dragonite vs Iris, Dracovish vs Drasna, Pikchu vs Volkner (can argue Z moves were foreshadowed) etc... wouldn't increase the actual PWC battle number but would make them have a bigger presence
So all in all early on just fix the episode order in early Journeys as despite what it might actually be it felt more Goh focused than Ash focused in the first half
And later on in Journeys no more 1v1s only 2v2s+ to give the Pokemon more time and screen time and raises the stakes
I do like the other ideas others said like double battles, reserves etc... I just think those are more optional than a “fix”
Rune Knight
Well-Known Member
Ah yes, the Master Eighters.
Sham
The Guardian of War
Thank you
Dragonsoldier77
Bittersweet Satisfaction
I remember some people saying that those were complaining about ash’s quick rise through normal and super class for the ranking didn’t understand how rankings work and that his progress will massively slow down hyper class. So much for that lol. Hyper class was by far the fastest with him already being at the top of it in 4 fights.
They really should’ve had more battles, with more existing game characters instead of rando cotd that nobody cares about. Especially super class which was atrocious. It should’ve felt like a like a ling grind up, rather than something that was forgotten most of the time and then rushed at the end.
They really should’ve had more battles, with more existing game characters instead of rando cotd that nobody cares about. Especially super class which was atrocious. It should’ve felt like a like a ling grind up, rather than something that was forgotten most of the time and then rushed at the end.
Pokegirl Fan~
Liko>>>>>Ash
They should have brought back characters like AJ and Giselle as well.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
Yeah the super class was badly handled and honestly the weakest link of PWC which really brings it down
I don't really have that much of a problem with Hyper Class writing wise despite Ash having admittedly a fast paced ascension, but Super Class dropped the ball so hard
I also really think Hyper Class could have been less rushed if we got 4 years instead of 3, as hyped as I am for SV, they shouldn't have been this year
tsunamimijumaru
Well-Known Member
Since the Marnie battle Ash has been having a fight every 5 episodes they should have been doing this before. Every fight in the PWC should have been its own episode rather than random 1 v 1 with Pikachu against some unknown trainer. How can they rank this man up 500+ ranks off screen
janejane6178
Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
It will be VERY underwhelming even we will have 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 battles in top 8.
Badfemalecompanion
Well-Known Member
Everyone talks about their disappointment that the likes of Tobias and Harrison didn't appear but where is the love for Jon Dickson, champion of Johto?
Also, is it safe to assume that Iris beat Flint to make the top 8? Since Flint dropped from 6th to out of the top 8 entirely and Iris leapfrogged Raihan.
Also, is it safe to assume that Iris beat Flint to make the top 8? Since Flint dropped from 6th to out of the top 8 entirely and Iris leapfrogged Raihan.
Sham
The Guardian of War
Yes Iris beat FlintEveryone talks about their disappointment that the likes of Tobias and Harrison didn't appear but where is the love for Jon Dickson, champion of Johto?
Also, is it safe to assume that Iris beat Flint to make the top 8? Since Flint dropped from 6th to out of the top 8 entirely and Iris leapfrogged Raihan.