Obama Vs. Romney: 2012 US Election

[randomspot555]

Wait, Romney is THAT OUT OF TOUCH with voters. **** this, I'm going to vote for Obama, because at least I could see myself getting a beer with him.

Obama isn't the most personable person either. He's really bad at retail politicking, as is Romney. Both of them have no shortage of disasturous things happen in small settings in Iowa and New Hampshire. If you haven't already, you need to read Game Change.

Yes, Obama is out of touch too. Let's try judging them by their policies and whatnot instead of if they'd be our BFFs.

And Obama drinks crappy beer anyway. I wouldn't hang out with anyone whose favorite beer is Bud Light.

 

[iFi Salamander]

But according to Romney's belief, he thinks his policies will help those households.

If someone's politics makes them an "awful person", well, I don't think you were ever gonna like him in the first place.

Assuming he can actually create better jobs and form an economic situation where people aren't depending on much government aid just to not live on the streets. It sounds to me again like they man is just reassuring the masses that lower and mid class citizens aren't a target as a way to get into office.

You say this as if Obama is planning on cutting the military in some way.

Yes, and no. He never proposed this but it is pretty well known that the military has been quietly downsizing for the past few years. I also don't see how when we are already in a financial crisis why it makes sense to invest more into military when it is already 85% of our spending. That is unless we are readying ourselves for a hostile seize of resources, or a new threat.

But really, I'm fairly poor myself (well, at any rate I'm sure as hell not rich), but that doesn't mean I want my country to be. Sometimes you vote for things that go against your own personal beliefs for the greater good. Well, actually, everybody does that every time, unless you ever find a candidate you agree with 100% on everything.

I am not going to vote for a person who ensures I'll never go to college and therefore be making crappy wages and miserable my whole life just for the overall greater good that I make little impact on, I wouldn't expect anyone to think I am that altruistic either.

I'm getting the weirdest vibe here that, while you're clamoring for women's rights, you're simultaneously ignorantly shutting one down who has done nothing more than express that her train of thought doesn't line up with what you expect out of women. Woo, chills!

I am all for Women's Rights. I just can't stand people who ignorantly act offended at everything like they are being a target.

 

[Old Soul]

It is very relevant. Keep providing the funding for the medical procedures to be done else where.

What's wrong with that?

ease of access. planned parenthood clinics tend to be relatively close by or placed in areas that are more impoverished. it makes it easier for people to get access to preventative care, as opposed to driving miles and miles to the nearest fancy hospital or the like.

It is "cute". It is also my belief that taxpayer money shouldn't be used to fund abortions, directly or otherwise.

that's perfectly cool. do your reasons begin with "i believe its morally wrong..." or "my religion says..." though? i am curious.

Your point?

my point is moral convictions without sound logical reasoning are not a good reason to cut off government funding for anything.

Please do not address me as "conservatives" and don't imply that I said something I didn't. Social issues are important. The Democrats just spent 4 days celebrating abortion-on-demand.

i intended to be speaking in only generalities, but if you thought i was singling you out in anyway i apologize.

 

[randomspot555]

Assuming he can actually create better jobs and form an economic situation where people aren't depending on much government aid just to not live on the streets. It sounds to me again like they man is just reassuring the masses that lower and mid class citizens aren't a target as a way to get into office.

Politician sucks up to rich people, news at 11.

Let's not pretend that Romney is going to be killing poor people in the streets, because that's unlikely.

And to be fair, let's also not pretend we know what Romney will do. Because we don't. Saying his unknown policies will favor the rich is stating something in which no one has read.

Yes, and no. He never proposed this but it is pretty well known that the military has been quietly downsizing for the past few years.

He has? Source?

I also don't see how when we are already in a financial crisis why it makes sense to invest more into military when it is already 85% of our spending. That is unless we are readying ourselves for a hostile seize of resources, or a new threat.

Because defense contracting and R&D are parts of those jobs that pay a nice middle class salary and, due to security concerns, aren't likely to be outsourced.

I'm all for running down some of the active military operations, but gutting R&D is a dumb move that would hurt the economies in some of the coastal states and Virginia.

 

[Sadib]

Bur Romney is going to ban gay marriage! This will lead him to ban interracial marriage as well.

 

[Pesky Persian]

ease of access. planned parenthood clinics tend to be relatively close by or placed in areas that are more impoverished. it makes it easier for people to get access to preventative care, as opposed to driving miles and miles to the nearest fancy hospital or the like.

This. And really, what other places are going to be funded for free testings/screenings? Certainly not hospitals since they are businesses and not government-run. Take away Planned Parenthood, and you're needlessly flooding the EDs of all the hospitals... Y'know, where people with actual emergencies should be.

 

[Cometstarlight]

Bur Romney is going to ban gay marriage! This will lead him to ban interracial marriage as well.

Seriously? If you believe that then you are more ignorant than you appear. Interracial marriage is nothing to be ashamed of...but gay marriage.....uh, sorry, don't want to start a flame war and I really don't want to start that on this thread. Long story short: I don't support gay marriage, but that's off topic.

 

[iFi Salamander]

He has? Source?

He hasn't. It has.

I tried joining the Navy a couple months ago and my recruiter gave me the inside scoop that most of the branches are slightly downsizing because the war isn't as heated as it was years ago. (Albeit there is still plenty of combat.)

Needless to say because I needed a waiver for Aspergers/ADHD I wasn't never getting in anyways.

I'm all for running down some of the active military operations, but gutting R&D is a dumb move that would hurt the economies in some of the coastal states and Virginia.

The military as it is now seems to be working well. I wouldn't want to invest or pull out any more money to it.

Seriously? If you believe that then you are more ignorant than you appear. Interracial marriage is nothing to be ashamed of...but gay marriage.....uh, sorry, don't want to start a flame war and I really don't want to start that on this thread. Long story short: I don't support gay marriage, but that's off topic.

Either troll or idiot.

This. And really, what other places are going to be funded for free testings/screenings? Certainly not hospitals since they are businesses and not government-run. Take away Planned Parenthood, and you're needlessly flooding the EDs of all the hospitals... Y'know, where people with actual emergencies should be.

Businesses actually do have the government at the top of the strings these days. A lot of people delude themselves into thinking this isn't already a socialist country. We give them enough freedom to run their business how they want, but we put all these regulations on them. I truly believe the reason Health Care is so expensive is because it is a trade that has a lot more freedom due to the expertise required.

 

[randomspot555]

This.

There are other places that do cancer screenings, ultrasounds, and all kinds of stuff.

And really, what other places are going to be funded for free testings/screenings?

"Free" is a misnomer. Most of these people are on Medicaid or some other type of government plan. They can go anywhere that accepts Medicaid, which includes most hospitals and a lot of private practice clinics.

Certainly not hospitals since they are businesses and not government-run.

Planned Parenthood isn't government run either... It is a non-profit org, just like many hospitals and clinics.

Take away Planned Parenthood, and you're needlessly flooding the EDs of all the hospitals... Y'know, where people with actual emergencies should be.

Ugh, so many misconceptions. Hospitals are hospitals and have a variety of departments and labs. And not all of them have emergency departments.

 

[はるひ]

Even if you hate the presidential candidates and don't want to vote for either of them, you should still register and vote for all of your more local politicians; after all, they're almost guaranteed to affect you, personally, more than any president.

Plus if you don't vote then you have no right to complain about what X is doing.

 

[Old Soul]

Interracial marriage is nothing to be ashamed of...but gay marriage.....uh, sorry, don't want to start a flame war and I really don't want to start that on this thread. Long story short: I don't support gay marriage, but that's off topic.

what, why not? because your argument sucks and consists of "BUT MAH RELIGION" and you'll inevitably be drowned out by anyone that has a shred of common sense?

if i were you i wouldn't bring it up either.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

If you can vote, who are you voting for? If not, who would you vote for?

I'm not sure I'm going to bother, but probably Obama.

1) Why are you voting for that candidate?

It's more of a lesser of two evils thing. Obama hasn't really done much, but people are exaggerating when they say he ruined the country. The recession and a lot of other issues happened under Bush's presidency, not Obama's. Obama hasn't really done much to fix it, but we could be a hell of a lot worse at this point.

2) Are you voting across party lines?

Nope, I'm a registered Democrat. I probably won't ever vote Republican unless a candidate comes along that can prove to have really good ideas and is trustworthy. I don't trust the Republican party in general, anyone that favors corporations getting whatever they want is either supremely idiotic or selling themselves out. Although to be fair, I don't trust the Democrats that much more either, they're still susceptible to the same corruption as Republicans.

3) Will this be your first time voting?

In a presidential election, yes, but I did vote in my state's gubernatorial election 2 years ago.

4) How do you feel about the economic and social policies of each candidate?

Well, IDK what they are exactly (I'll have to do more research on it), but knowing Romney, he's probably not going to care much about anyone who's not rich. I know I sound extremely uneducated because IDK why, but reading through the thread, it seems I'm not alone. Anyway, yeah, like I said, they're both pretty bad candidates, I just consider Obama to be marginally less bad.

 

[GrizzlyB]

I am not going to vote for a person who ensures I'll never go to college and therefore be making crappy wages and miserable my whole life just for the overall greater good that I make little impact on, I wouldn't expect anyone to think I am that altruistic either.

In many ways, that's more than a fair point, too. Still, that particular reason doesn't hold any water with me because my financial aid has gone down every year that Obama has been in office (Pell and other grants, specifically). Now, being that I'm only one person whose situation varies mildly year-by-year, me saying this may not mean much, but I sure enjoyed federal aid under Bush much more than I do Obama. And with education funding being one of the big things you actually would expect Democrats to do a lot more of than Republicans, I can't see Romney really being any worse in this regard.

I am all for Women's Rights. I just can't stand people who ignorantly act offended at everything like they are being a target.

Wait, were you replying to the hypothetical "omg romney offended me b/c i am a woman" part of Cometstarlight's post? Because if so, I misconstrued what you were saying and apologize. Though it really did look as if you were replying to her personal opinion, and that's how I responded.

This. And really, what other places are going to be funded for free testings/screenings? Certainly not hospitals since they are businesses and not government-run. Take away Planned Parenthood, and you're needlessly flooding the EDs of all the hospitals... Y'know, where people with actual emergencies should be.

I think the idea is that the government stops directed money towards abortions in particular, as a generally-voluntary medical procedure that isn't preventative, while keeping their other facilities operational. I don't know whether or not I agree with it, because both that part and the part where women are given more reproductive freedom and there are fewer unwanted children in the country sound pretty good, but that's how I interpreted it

 

[Pesky Persian]

There are other places that do cancer screenings, ultrasounds, and all kinds of stuff.

So why make Planned Parenthood the named target? What exactly, other than abortion services which are parts of many other clinics as well, makes it any different? It's a good resource for a lot of people. The more places for preventative care, the better in the long run.

"Free" is a misnomer. Most of these people are on Medicaid or some other type of government plan. They can go anywhere that accepts Medicaid, which includes most hospitals and a lot of private practice clinics.

Exactly. Most of them are on Medicaid, meaning the taxpayers are paying for it either way. Do you have any idea how many people come into hospital EDs for things like STD/STI testing because they're on Medicaid? A whole hell of a lot, I can tell you that.

Planned Parenthood isn't government run either... It is a non-profit org, just like many hospitals and clinics.

I know it's not government-run. Many hospitals are for-profit. At least, some of the ones around here are. Not many, but some. They have to act like businesses in order to keep running. Even the ones that are nonprofit have to make money in order to keep running. I highly doubt Planned Parenthood would be able to make enough money, considering the kinds of people they target for healthcare, to keep running.

Ugh, so many misconceptions. Hospitals are hospitals and have a variety of departments and labs. And not all of them have emergency departments.

I don't have any misconceptions about hospitals, thanks. I'm well aware they have a variety of departments and not all of them have EDs. The ones that do have EDs see a lot of people of lower socioeconomic status come through their doors for routine testing because they can't afford it. More places for preventative care saves us (the hospital staff) time and resources that could have been better spent on people with real emergencies.

I think the idea is that the government stops directed money towards abortions in particular, as a generally-voluntary medical procedure that isn't preventative, while keeping their other facilities operational. I don't know whether or not I agree with it, because both that part and the part where women are given more reproductive freedom and there are fewer unwanted children in the country sound pretty good, but that's how I interpreted it

I can understand people not wanting to fund Planned Parenthood because of the abortion factor. But really, that's one potential (because it depends on how you look at the situation) negative to the multitudes of positive things a facility like Planned Parenthood brings to the community.

 

[iFi Salamander]

In many ways, that's more than a fair point, too. Still, that particular reason doesn't hold any water with me because my financial aid has gone down every year that Obama has been in office (Pell and other grants, specifically). Now, being that I'm only one person whose situation varies mildly year-by-year, me saying this may not mean much, but I sure enjoyed federal aid under Bush much more than I do Obama. And with education funding being one of the big things you actually would expect Democrats to do a lot more of than Republicans, I can't see Romney really being any worse in this regard.

Well I am striving to study Pathology and Radiology to become a specialized physician and diagnostician. However I come from a pretty poor upbringing and I really can't find jobs around here that will make me much more than minimum wage. So I like all the help I can get through college. If my FA starts getting cut I'm trapped in a cage. I am not even in Med school yet and that kind of retraction could become quite a problem. I am not trying to act entitled to education, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life doing nothing because of policies. That is why that is quite a big concern for me.

Wait, were you replying to the hypothetical "omg romney offended me b/c i am a woman" part of Cometstarlight's post? Because if so, I misconstrued what you were saying and apologize. Though it really did look as if you were replying to her personal opinion, and that's how I responded.

Yeah I was agreeing with him/her by saying that was a pretty ridiculous thing to say. Probably should have just quoted the first part, my bad.

 

[Heldigunner1]

GOP sure didn't like Clinton either. He still got things done. Having opposition not liking you isn't an excuse for inaction.

They didn't like him after he had the office affair, people need to look past that.


And that is....?
For one, how he plans on bringing jobs back to americans. Romeny has yet to state how he will. Obama's primary plan for job growth more exports, more U.S.-produced energy including natural gas, more support for education and reducing the deficit by raising taxes on the wealthy. Remember this all over time.



And what does this mean, in terms of policy?
In what aspect do you mean? I'd like to answer this, but I'm not 100% what your asking.


Medicare Part D covers prescription drugs.

Medicine doesn't have to refer to prescription drugs. Romney's idea of repealing the affordable health care act and replacing it with vouchers so you can buy private insurance is stupid. Medicare part A, which handles health care(hospital care,senior,etc) will go broke if the affordable health care act is repealed many finical advisors have stated this. When the funds of part A are gone, they will either tax more or take the money from another source, which may be from part D.

 

[Sadib]

Seriously? If you believe that then you are more ignorant than you appear. Interracial marriage is nothing to be ashamed of...but gay marriage.....uh, sorry, don't want to start a flame war and I really don't want to start that on this thread. Long story short: I don't support gay marriage, but that's off topic.

I would love to hear what you wanted to say. You can say your opinion here. Your post clearly implied that gay marriage is something to be ashamed of.

Romney also wants to ban open gays from the military. The only rationale I can think of is that the homophobic troops will feel at ease that none of their troops are gay, well openly anyway. Paranoid homophobic troops will go crazy though.

 

[Old Soul]

i am glad the democrats put marriage equality in their platform, but biglutz did have a point about candidates not doing what's in their platform. obama promised to end the bush tax cuts but still caved to the republicans in the house and ended up extending them. therein lies my problem with obama, he doesn't really take full advantage of the bully pulpit. i mean, if you don't even have the backbone to stand up for what you believe in, what's the point in having you in office? at least the republicans in congress are major bulldogs about accomplishing what they want.

 

[Heldigunner1]

i am glad the democrats put marriage equality in their platform, but biglutz did have a point about candidates not doing what's in their platform. obama promised to end the bush tax cuts but still caved to the republicans in the house and ended up extending them. therein lies my problem with obama, he doesn't really take full advantage of the bully pulpit. i mean, if you don't even have the backbone to stand up for what you believe in, what's the point in having you in office? at least the republicans in congress are major bulldogs about accomplishing what they want.

romney wants increase the tax cuts even more than bush did.

 

[Old Soul]

ofcourse he does. stroke the balls of the rich and powerful, and in turn they become powerful assets to your campaign.

"hey this guy wants to rape the middle class and give their money to us. let's donate to his campaign"

reality only reflects this. romneys biggest campaign donors are from large companies like goldman sachs.