Obama Vs. Romney: 2012 US Election

[Old Soul]

i don't think the absence of george w. bush from the political scene is so much about his noble intentions to stay out of the political arena, but rather he knows that anything he says or does will be more detrimental to the republican party than it is beneficial. could you honestly see george w bush speaking at the rnc being a big hit? i mean come on people. he knows that a whole lot of people still hate his ever living guts (though its a debate as to whether he was that bad of a president. im liberal and i dont even think he was as terrible as many make him out to be) and he isn't going to risk backlash against his party.

I would think contributing to helping our country, or other countries is one thing ( George W Bush and Clinton teamed up for a relief fund I believe ). But engaging in partisan politics is something Presidents in the past have tended to avoid.

idk man jimmy carter was and is still pretty vocal about his views on u.s. policy.

 

[randomspot555]

i don't think the absence of george w. bush from the political scene is so much about his noble intentions to stay out of the political arena,

It probably is. Even the degree Clinton does politicking is different than other Obama surrogates. Look at Clinton's DNC speech. No mention of Romney. Just general criticisms of Republicans, and a lot of praise for Obama and his own administration.

Ex-presidents tend to stay out of the spotlight and when they do, they try not to be a thron in the incumbent's side. Unless you're Jimmy Carter.

but rather he knows that anything he says or does will be more detrimental to the republican party than it is beneficial.

Anyone who would be outraged with GWB speaking at the RNC wasn't going to vote Republican anyway. This election has been all about energizing the base rather than attracting the 1-3% of low info swing voters. Why do you think the DNC practically paraded abortion-on-demand? They're trying to turn out their base!

 

[Soperman]

Honestly, I believe Romney would be better if he wasn't such a blatant liar. He had a pretty successful term as governor of Massachusetts, but his policies were the exact opposite then than what they are now. Even if he does revert to his old ways, he lied through this entire campaign to try to get the Republican vote.
Obama is an intelligent person, but because of the fact that Republicans control the Congress (or something) he can't get anything done. He didn't do amazing, but frankly, it could have been worse. He gets my vote.

 

[randomspot555]

Obama is an intelligent person, but because of the fact that Republicans control the Congress (or something) he can't get anything done.

Clinton passed welfare reform and 4 balanced budgets with a Republican majority in both houses of Congress. Obama only has a GOP majority in the House.

Having the opposition be in power is not an excuse for inaction.

 

[Soperman]

Clinton passed welfare reform and 4 balanced budgets with a Republican majority in both houses of Congress. Obama only has a GOP majority in the House.
Having the opposition be in power is not an excuse for inaction.

Well, it would have certainly helped, especially with the amount of extreme Republicans about in this country.
Of course, I don't actually know much about Clinton and his term (I was a toddler when he became president), but I'm assuming it was a bit easier for him.
Also, I should probably rephrase me last statement: One of the reasons Obama didn't get anything done was because of the Republican majority. He isn't really pushing anything to get done besides his Medicare bill, and even that was a surprise.

 

[BigLutz]

Well, it would have certainly helped, especially with the amount of extreme Republicans about in this country.

When EVER Republicans are in power it is portrayed as extremism, hell it was famously called "The Nation's Temper Tantrum" by Peter Jennings when they won in 94.

Of course, I don't actually know much about Clinton and his term (I was a toddler when he became president), but I'm assuming it was a bit easier for him.

You do realize the Republicans had to literally force reforms down Clinton's throat ( Reforms that he now takes credit for ) and Clinton was such a hard head starting off, that there was a actual Government shutdown.

 

[Silver Soul]

Just thought I like to share this, Obama gets a Convention Bounce in the latest tracking pools. His biggest lead against Romney since March.

Gallup: Obama 49% to Romney 44% Obama +5

Rasmussen: Obama 49% to Romney 45% Obama +4

Reuters/Ipso: Obama 47% to Romney 43% Obama +4

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/10/obama-convention-bounce_n_1870087.html

CNN/ORC: Obama 52% to Romney 46%

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/10/cnn-poll-obama-up-six-points-over-romney/

 

[randomspot555]

Well, it would have certainly helped, especially with the amount of extreme Republicans about in this country.

What would have helped?

Of course, I don't actually know much about Clinton and his term (I was a toddler when he became president), but I'm assuming it was a bit easier for him.

You being a toddler is completely irrelevant. I'm bringing it up to make a point. I'm assuming you have the ability to read. I'm sure your school has/had some type of history class where you learn about stuff that happened before you were even alive.

Also, I should probably rephrase me last statement: One of the reasons Obama didn't get anything done was because of the Republican majority.

Clinton had a GOP majority in both houses of Congress from 95 until the end of his presidency. Reagan had a Democratic majority in the House of Reps led by tip O'Neil. George HW Bush at times dealt with a Democratic majority and, at one time, a 50-50 Senate.

None of this prevented any of their administrations from getting things done.

Having to work with the opposition isn't an excuse for inaction.

Just thought I like to share this, Obama gets a Convention Bounce in the latest tracking pools. His biggest lead against Romney since March.

Gallup: Obama 49% to Romney 44% Obama +5

Rasmussen: Obama 49% to Romney 45% Obama +4

Reuters/Ipso: Obama 47% to Romney 43% Obama +4

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/10/obama-convention-bounce_n_1870087.html

CNN/ORC: Obama 52% to Romney 46%

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/10/cnn-poll-obama-up-six-points-over-romney/

Tracking polls are essentially meaningless because they're national polls, and POTUS isn't decided on a national vote.

 

[Silver Soul]

Tracking polls are essentially meaningless because they're national polls, and POTUS isn't decided on a national vote.

I'm pointing out the enthusiasm in comparison between Obama and Romney. I know the needed states to win the election is Ohio, Virginia, and Florida.

 

[BigLutz]

I'm pointing out the enthusiasm in comparison between Obama and Romney. I know the needed states to win the election is Ohio, Virginia, and Florida.

You do realize that a convention bounce is just that, a bounce, if we are to believe that a convention bounce produces a election win. Carter would have won in 1980, or Mondale would not have lost to Reagan, or Mrs. Palin would be Vice President right now.

 

[Silver Soul]

You do realize that a convention bounce is just that, a bounce, if we are to believe that a convention bounce produces a election win. Carter would have won in 1980, or Mondale would not have lost to Reagan, or Mrs. Palin would be Vice President right now.

Has their ever been a convention with a moment where Clint Eastwood upstaged Romney by talking to invisible Obama? It's because that's what the people are talking about more from the RNC.

 

[BigLutz]

Has their ever been a convention with a moment where Clint Eastwood upstaged Romney by talking to invisible Obama? It's because that's what the people are talking about more from the RNC.

You mean kind of like how Obama gave such a poor speech that Bill Clinton upstaged him?

 

[Silver Soul]

You mean kind of like how Obama gave such a poor speech that Bill Clinton upstaged him?

At least Bill Clinton was a former President.

 

[BigLutz]

At least Bill Clinton was a former President.

Yeah except the convention was supposed to be about Obama, not electing Bill Clinton to a third term. It is a pretty sad sight when the "Greatest Speaker EVAR!" is upstaged by a former President. Then again it is also kind of sad that the day after the convention another jobs report comes out showing the failure of this administration.

 

[Silver Soul]

Yeah except the convention was supposed to be about Obama, not electing Bill Clinton to a third term. It is a pretty sad sight when the "Greatest Speaker EVAR!" is upstaged by a former President. Then again it is also kind of sad that the day after the convention another jobs report comes out showing the failure of this administration.

Wow, you are trying too hard here. Clinton was there to nominate Obama and to point out the flaws in the plans by Romney-Ryan with facts and numbers. And Clinton wasn't just a former President with charisma, we went from a deficit to a surplus under him. And it's not just about Obama, but also the rest of the Democrats who are fired up. Julian Castro had shades of 2004 Obama because they were Key-note speakers and he may run for Governor of Texas. Despite the report, Obama is still ahead of Romney.

 

[BigLutz]

Wow, you are trying too hard here. Clinton was there to nominate Obama and to point out the flaws in the plans by Romney-Ryan with facts and numbers. And Clinton wasn't just a former President with charisma, we went from a deficit to a surplus under him.

Yes we did, we also had a housing bubble because of him and we also had the 9/11 attacks because of him. Thing is we are not electing Clinton, we are electing Obama, and as such you would expect Obama to be the better speaker.

And it's not just about Obama, but also the rest of the Democrats who are fired up.

And lets see if that translates to actual turnout.

Julian Castro had shades of 2004 Obama because they were Key-note speakers and he may run for Governor of Texas.

Yeah and he will get his clock cleaned if he did. Texas is not Illinois, Democrats have a nearly impossible time winning state wide here. I mean it is kind of sad, the Democrats minority bench is so empty that they had to get a mayor from a red state, with no hopes of making it state wide to be a keynote speaker. That is pretty pathetic.

Despite the report, Obama is still ahead of Romney.

The report came out Friday, weekend polling is typically unreliable because people are away, the first real polls from the report will come out today or tomorrow.

 

[Silver Soul]

Yes we did, we also had a housing bubble because of him and we also had the 9/11 attacks because of him. Thing is we are not electing Clinton, we are electing Obama, and as such you would expect Obama to be the better speaker.

And yet, you can't say that Obama's speech wasn't just as moving because it was better received than Romney's speech. Clint Eastwood talking to a chair won't be forgotten because it has become a new meme, Eastwooding.

And lets see if that translates to actual turnout.

Yes. We will see that.

Yeah and he will get his clock cleaned if he did. Texas is not Illinois, Democrats have a nearly impossible time winning state wide here. I mean it is kind of sad, the Democrats minority bench is so empty that they had to get a mayor from a red state, with no hopes of making it state wide to be a keynote speaker. That is pretty pathetic.

You do got a point because this is the state that elected Rick Perry 3 times and I'm saying this judging from his 2012 campaign performance. However, the redistricting proposed by Perry and the voter ID laws in the state didn't go through. I say Castro has a chance.

The report came out Friday, weekend polling is typically unreliable because people are away, the first real polls from the report will come out today or tomorrow.

According to RealClearPolitics, Obama is up 49.0 to Romney 45.7 currently.

 

[BigLutz]

And yet, you can't say that Obama's speech wasn't just as moving because it was better received than Romney's speech. Clint Eastwood talking to a chair won't be forgotten because it has become a new meme, Eastwooding.

Better received =/= just as good. Even the White House in their desperate spin have suggested they went for a more "low key" speech. By the way, nice way to dodge Clinton's failures.

You do got a point because this is the state that elected Rick Perry 3 times and I'm saying this judging from his 2012 campaign performance. However, the redistricting proposed by Perry and the voter ID laws in the state didn't go through. I say Castro has a chance.

A: Perry was on pain killers so do not judge his ability to win by his 2012 performance.
B: Redistricting has nothing to do with winning the governorship
C: Democrats have not been able to win the governorship since the early 90s in Texas, and even at that they ran as a Right Wing Conservative. After that it has been a constant onslaught of George W Bush, and then Rick Perry, the idea that they will be able to take it back anytime soon is ludicrous.

According to RealClearPolitics, Obama is up 49.0 to Romney 45.7 currently.

Real Clear Politics is a average of polls over the past weeks, if not months, as such the leveling out of the bounce, and the pain felt by the unemployment report is not accurately reflected into it.

 

[randomspot555]

RCP is averages, but it is honestly a pretty good average as long as they don't factor in some of the more wacky polls done by unknown pollsters, which sometimes happened during the GOP primary.

It wasn't all that long ago that Texas had a fairly moderate Governor. Of course, back in that day, California was a swing state. Demographics and so much more have changed since then, and from what I gather, the Texas state Democratic party is in shambles as far as an organization goes. Castro's future might be brightest if he's able to land a notable position in a second Obama term. Or carpet bag over to more moderate territory like New Mexico.

 

[Silver Soul]

Better received =/= just as good. Even the White House in their desperate spin have suggested they went for a more "low key" speech. By the way, nice way to dodge Clinton's failures.

Don't be mad because Romney couldn't rally up the base like Obama and other Democrats who gave better speeches did this week. Also, I want to point out the irony of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act former CEO of Citigroup Sandy Weill who lobbied Congress for months to get it repealed but now he regrets it.

A: Perry was on pain killers so do not judge his ability to win by his 2012 performance.
B: Redistricting has nothing to do with winning the governorship
C: Democrats have not been able to win the governorship since the early 90s in Texas, and even at that they ran as a Right Wing Conservative. After that it has been a constant onslaught of George W Bush, and then Rick Perry, the idea that they will be able to take it back anytime soon is ludicrous.

A: That is surprising since he is currently running the sate, I'm just saying since he did call Obama a socialist months ago. But still, he will never live down that moment.
B: However, it was ruled by a federal judge that it discriminates against minorities and that it didn't comply with the Voting Rights Act.
C: But still, it does have a chance to go blue in the future. Why do you think there were plans to redistrict the state around blue counties?

Real Clear Politics is a average of polls over the past weeks, if not months, as such the leveling out of the bounce, and the pain felt by the unemployment report is not accurately reflected into it.

And yet, people want to know what are Romney and Ryan's plans to help the economy. But, we may find out AFTER they get elected and that is the problem. They are not offering specifics with their plans for reasons this election.