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Oct 13th: XY&Z045 - One Last Battle with Ash! Serena's Choice!!

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Xuxuba

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Some users here are clearly trying to start a shipping war...

It's so sad that even on Serena's goodbye episode people who're genuinely intrigued by what's going to happen to her character in this episode have their discussions overshadowed by silly bickering over how much someone hates amourshipping...
 
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satopi

Life doesn’t end, …it changes.
Definitely agreed with Satoharu, she just didn't do relevant stuff on-screen. Ash was all battles, Serena was all performances. They never really tied into eachother.

Speaking of which, they weren't really compliment each other considering that Serena doesn't like battling, Ash is always on the move and mostly focused on himself, Serena never really had to improve or change her original techniques (unlike Ash) since everything was handed down to her, never seem to have many similarities, much less arguments/fights, and barely talked outside of their goals and the average Ash risking his life for his Pokémon concern. Sometimes I wonder what are Serena's reasons for having a crush on him. Of course she likes him as a person because he's brave (actually reckless) and doesn't give up but their relationship seem so... average. Like to Ash, it would be the same as if he was hanging with anyone since Serena just nods and agrees while with Serena, she herself wonders if they're just hanging out as friends or on a date. I'm sorry but I'll take his and Tracey's relationship as better and closer than his and Serena's. At least he misses his main man Tracey!
 

KungFuMaster

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Speaking of which, they weren't really compliment each other considering that Serena doesn't like battling, Ash is always on the move and mostly focused on himself, Serena never really had to improve or change her original techniques (unlike Ash) since everything was handed down to her, never seem to have many similarities, much less arguments/fights, and barely talked outside of their goals and the average Ash risking his life for his Pokémon concern. Sometimes I wonder what are Serena's reasons for having a crush on him. Of course she likes him as a person because he's brave (actually reckless) and doesn't give up but their relationship seem so... average. Like to Ash, it would be the same as if he was hanging with anyone since Serena just nods and agrees while with Serena, she herself wonders if they're just hanging out as friends or on a date. I'm sorry but I'll take his and Tracey's relationship as better and closer than his and Serena's. At least he misses his main man Tracey!

Wow guys you're rude to her :/

Why nobody remembers her childhood WAS RUINED. She had like no friends, no dreams and a bad mom. She was pushed to do Ryhorn Racing. I mean common, that's just thuglife.
Then she went to camp and she was unhappy, again. Till a boy out of nowhere helps her. In the first time of her life she got someone who helped her. She saw him as her life saver.
You guys wonder why she had no dreams? Because her childhood din't allow her to have one, she only knew what Ryhorn Racing was. Her mom was way to harsh, it's just too pity 50% of the persons don't realize this...
 

satopi

Life doesn’t end, …it changes.
Wow guys you're rude to her :/

Why nobody remembers her childhood WAS RUINED. She had like no friends, no dreams and a bad mom. She was pushed to do Ryhorn Racing. I mean common, that's just thuglife.
Then she went to camp and she was unhappy, again. Till a boy out of nowhere helps her. In the first time of her life she got someone who helped her. She saw him as her life saver.
You guys wonder why she had no dreams? Because her childhood din't allow her to have one, she only knew what Ryhorn Racing was. Her mom was way to harsh, it's just too pity 50% of the persons don't realize this...

How was her mom a bad mom? Also, the only snippet of her childhood that we got to see was when Ash helped her when she was lost in the forest (where she cried for her mother. She couldn't have been a bad mother if she was crying for her) while he was searching for Poliwag. I can understand that she wanted her daughter to get into Rhyhorn Riding like she did but it doesn't make her a bad mother. Serena proved her mother wrong by finding a goal that she was interested in (and she didn't have a goal while she staying at home. Finding Ash was just an excuse for her to become a Pokémon trainer) and her mother now respects her and see her as her equal. She may not have been on board all the way with her goal at first but she wasn't going to force her back home nor try to doubt her decision. Had she was a bad mother, she wouldn't be proud of her newfound interest in a goal and would constantly tell her to give up on it and do Rhyhorn Riding. She wouldn't of watched her Performances and she would have never seen Serena as anymore than her rebellious, disrespectful daughter and always below her. It would be nothing but constant berating and lowering her self esteem while making Serena believe that she needs her mother. Mother Gothel. :p
 
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Little Hero

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Wow guys you're rude to her :/

Why nobody remembers her childhood WAS RUINED. She had like no friends, no dreams and a bad mom. She was pushed to do Ryhorn Racing. I mean common, that's just thuglife.
Then she went to camp and she was unhappy, again. Till a boy out of nowhere helps her. In the first time of her life she got someone who helped her. She saw him as her life saver.
You guys wonder why she had no dreams? Because her childhood din't allow her to have one, she only knew what Ryhorn Racing was. Her mom was way to harsh, it's just too pity 50% of the persons don't realize this...

Hmm...I really don't think so, friend.

It was more a lack of motivation that forced Serena to go along with her Mother's training than anything else (Grace is best mom by the way). Sure, Serena complained about the training but that's just it. When you don't like something, you complain about it. And no, Grace wasn't harsh, she was just a little strict at least when it came to Rhyhorn racing training. (And about her friends...well, she was probably just shy and the friends she may have had probably went on their own or moved on...but she didn't have that bad of childhood...she's not Emma.)

Then she became motivated enough to leave when she saw Ash again and we all know how that got from there...

Here's hoping the episode is good (my bet is in probably) enough to resolve Serena's crush and what she'll do from here and out, whether to train to be a Kalos Queen or just be Performer who brings smiles to the world without the need of a title.
 
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Navin

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Inb4 they shoehorn another Korrasami with Serena/Shauna so it's not a big deal if Ash leaves.
 

KungFuMaster

KungFu Zen Mode
How was her mom a bad mom? Also, the only snippet of her childhood that we got to see was when Ash helped her when she was lost in the forest (where she cried for her mother. She couldn't have been a bad mother if she was crying for her) while he was searching for Poliwag. I can understand that she wanted her daughter to get into Rhyhorn Riding like she did but it doesn't make her a bad mother. Serena proved her mother wrong by finding a goal that she was interested in (and she didn't have a goal while she staying at home. Finding Ash was just an excuse for her to become a Pokémon trainer) and her mother now respects her and see her as her equal. She may not have been on board all the way with her goal at first but she wasn't going to force her back home nor try to doubt her decision. Had she was a bad mother, she wouldn't be proud of her newfound interest in a goal and would constantly tell her to give up on it and do Rhyhorn Riding. She wouldn't of watched her Performances and she would have never seen Serena as anymore than her rebellious, disrespectful daughter and always below her. It would be nothing but constant berating and lowering her self esteem while making Serena believe that she needs her mother. Mother Gothel. :p

Can you explain her being so silent for the first 40 episodes? 'Bad writing' is Obvious, but don't blame her, blame the writers! about her mom: her mom finally understands her, but I'm sure she was a hardcore pusher and pushed Serena to become a Ryhorn Racer. Just watch episode 1, how sad Serena is about her life. And she cried for her because there's no one else she knew...

All the Pokegirls seems to be a lot more closer to Ash than Serena

Uh what? Sorry but Iris was more like a kid than everyone. Why would every girl be closer to Ash? It's just because Serena is shy she hasn't a close bond with Ash. I mean, common, The fist bump, don't forget.
displayed to us before like Dawn and Ash's strong friendship bond, Ash and Iris' bickering yet supportive bond, Ash and Misty's love/hate friendship, and Ash and May's mentor relationship?

Ash and Serena have friendly friendship bond. They never had an argument (except once but that turned out to something better). They were friendly to eachother + did Ash ever pushed a gym battle away for a performance??? I can't remember that with the other girls. Ash is himself against the girls but he's way more kind against Serena than all other.
 

greninjamaster

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Here's a tissuebox, I think you might need them.

I'm already getting emotional before watching the episode.

Why, writers, why are you doing this to us. They really had to break 2 billion hearts to make it a proper ending...

2 billion hearts?! LMAO you live in your own little world don't you.
 

EeveelutionTrainer

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I actually think it's likely that Braixen will evolve. It's Serena's ace Pokemon, there have been a couple Hoenn-Kalos parallels so this could be another (like May evolved her Combusken near the end of Advanced), Braixen has been in many battles (including the aerial fight in the TF finale), and the line "Pikachu and Braixen both give it their all" makes much more sense if Braixen evolves. After all, Braixen isn't exactly a difficult opponent for Pikachu, so if Braixen gives it her all and evolves, then Pikachu will also have to put in more effort (and give his all) against a newly evolved Delphox (especially since newly-evolved Pokemon in the anime seem to get a temporary power boost upon evolution).

The only real thing stopping Braixen from evolving is the fact that it's more popular than Delphox in the real world. But this is very close to the end of XYZ so they might let it happen anyway.

I highly doubt the battle will go fully though. There's almost no way Pikachu can lose (imagine the uproar lol) even against a Delphox (though it may certainly have to put in a lot of effort to defeat a fully-evolved starter, especially if Braixen/Delphox replaces scratch with Mystic Fire or Psychic upon evolution), and a loss for Serena wouldn't really drive home the message that the writers nor Ash want to give her. I'd imagine it'd be a tough fight, then Team Rocket interrupts, then Serena and Ash tag team against Team Rocket (like they did in XYZ010), which would be a better representation of their relationship then a fight in which Serena loses.

Another possibility is Braixen evolving while fighting Team Rocket, but that IMHO would be more anti-climactic then having it evolve against Pikachu.

Ultimately though, this battle is a brilliant thing to have in Serena's departure episode. One of the best aspects of her character was seeing her grow from a shy, nervous girl who barely knew what to do in battles without Ash or someone telling her to someone who's confident, is independent, manages her Pokemon on her own without anyone else's help, proactively goes to help others (like Mairin), etc. So a Serena who's confident enough to fight Ash and give everything she's got in the battle is a huge improvement (and shows she has had huge character development) from the shy, nervous girl at the beginning who wouldn't have dared to challenge Ash. In other words, this battle will show how far she's come, and it will be a touching send-off for her character (not to mention for Braixen/Delphox as well, as Fennekin was pretty shy and inexperienced at the beginning of XY as well).
 

noakai

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Wow guys you're rude to her :/

Why nobody remembers her childhood WAS RUINED. She had like no friends, no dreams and a bad mom. She was pushed to do Ryhorn Racing. I mean common, that's just thuglife.
Then she went to camp and she was unhappy, again. Till a boy out of nowhere helps her. In the first time of her life she got someone who helped her. She saw him as her life saver.
You guys wonder why she had no dreams? Because her childhood din't allow her to have one, she only knew what Ryhorn Racing was. Her mom was way to harsh, it's just too pity 50% of the persons don't realize this...

Do people not realize their headcanons aren't actual canon or what? It's as bad as the people saying she'd never go with Palermo because she hates getting up early when that's entirely their headcanon, yeesh. If Serena's mother was a bad mom, she wouldn't have reacted the way she did to Serena's own dream and would have forced her to go home and do Rhyhorn Riding. And all that stuff about how sad her her life was is headcanon too. She wasn't super happy but she wasn't living in hell.
 
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Sonic Boom

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I also agree with the idea of Braixen evolving here.

Much like Combusken evolving to Blaziken as a sign that May has completely grown as a character and is ready to take charge on her own, Braixen evolving into Delphox would be the parallel that Serena, who started out as a timid little thing getting worked up over minor inconveniences (Fennekin), and underwent a major change in perspective and physical appearance though not without self-doubt (Braixen (Stick episode)), has now come about as her own person and ready to lead and perform to the best of her ability (Delphox). It just makes a lot of sense to me.



p.s. Boutiqueshipping wins out. Go figure.
 

satopi

Life doesn’t end, …it changes.
Can you explain her being so silent for the first 40 episodes? 'Bad writing' is Obvious, but don't blame her, blame the writers!
During the 40 episodes, she was trying out a few things like Pokevision and baking. I don't think she was that silent, a better word to describe her would be passive. Wouldn't she confide in Ash or Bonnie if she was being abused by her mother? In the first 40 episodes, she seemed like a person who didn't know what she wanted to do in life, finally stepped out of her comfort zone (very scary) for the first time, and she seemed content in watch the others battle and such.

about her mom: her mom finally understands her, but I'm sure she was a hardcore pusher and pushed Serena to become a Ryhorn Racer. Just watch episode 1, how sad Serena is about her life.
Yes she pushed her to try Rhyhorn Riding but all she did was complain. At least she could complain. Abusive parents would've physically assaulted her if she dare said a word against them. She seemed more unmotivated than sad I mean, she seemed like a girl who didn't like her mother pushing her to practice Rhyhorn Riding but did it anyway to stop her mother's nagging. If she was sad about her life, she could've just ran away from home and became a Pokémon Trainer out of spite and cut contact with her mother.

And she cried for her because there's no one else she knew...
More like she loved her mother and knew she would comfort her.

Uh what? Sorry but Iris was more like a kid than everyone. Why would every girl be closer to Ash? It's just because Serena is shy she hasn't a close bond with Ash. I mean, common, The fist bump, don't forget.
That contrasting statement tho.
Every girl was closer to Ash because of the fact that they didn't need a crush on him to have a close bond Ash shown all sides of himself to them. They supported him but they didn't agree with everything that he did and was outspoken about it and weren't afraid of telling him off. They spent more personal time with him and their character didn't revolve around him. Ash had conversations with them that didn't involve their goals and supportive dialogue. Though all of them had different bonds and this is all opinion based.

Also Iris is such a kid.

Ash and Serena have friendly friendship bond. They never had an argument (except once but that turned out to something better). They were friendly to eachother + did Ash ever pushed a gym battle away for a performance??? I can't remember that with the other girls. Ash is himself against the girls but he's way more kind against Serena than all other.
Yes he is. But the nicest guy isn't always the most honest. Ash is friendly and kind to all of the girls. I'd like him to be himself with Serena (which he is) but the XY group in general just seemed like a bunch of cheerleaders for him. In my opinion of course.
 

FrozenCap

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Serena being a pokemon performer was a very nice addition to the anime. It focus on other parts of pokemon, pokemon isn't just about battling, there are a lot more to Pokemon. She did have a nice character development, she found her interest, making people smile.
 

DatsRight

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While the relationship was sadly a bit one sided, Serena seems a lot more emotionally attached to Ash than the previous Poke girls. Even now she seems a bit nervous being away from him. Serena loves Ash meaning part of her dream is that she wants to be with him, which unlike the others' can't really happen if she leaves.
 

DatsRight

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And then they both lose to Ash anyway.

No no, Braixen gets curb stomped at first, but evolving automatically gives her a DEM super boost like it did first time and with Sylveon (and pretty much any Pokemon this series except Gourgeist, Jessie shouldn't have lampshaded it).

Remember when you have another evolution, hard work and perseverance doesn't prevail, cosmic forces transforming you do. :p
 

WaterShuriken

"I..I..Iron Tail, Pikachu."
Something I liked about Ash and Serena's relationship is that she was the one that opened his eyes on various situations he was in, such as,

* Training for the Santalune rematch
* Failed rhythmic battle style
* Pledging Tree gift getting.
* Winding Woods scene.

At the same time he offered her words of encouragement in regards to her goal finding and helped her realize she was looking at Rhyhorn Racing the wrong way. She also remember his words when she was in sticky situations.

I appreciate that from their relationship. There was a nice amount of emotional support and inspiration.
 

DatsRight

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So? Ash and Greninja got beaten even after they mastered the form and went against Alain. The XY universe is a cruel mistress for the main characters.

Ah, but Greninja didn't evolve in that match. It's a plot mandated one time thing. Noivern certainly learned that. :p
 
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DatsRight

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Look on the bright side, at least Serena had a character arc. That's more than you can say for other characters, (like Misty/Brock, who basically became directionless in the Johto saga)

For all people complain about it, Serena not being sure at first and actually testing different things for her life ambition was a new direction. It's just when she finally stuck to one there was so little time left it had to be rushed. Had she been in a series as long as AG and DP she might have worked out.

Again I wonder if Sun/Moon ended up having any effect on this, be it the style revamp changing their mind about keeping her around, or the games' early release rushing the XY series to end (rather than releasing a Pokemon Z as some speculate).
 
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