The eggs themselves aren't predetermined. What the user above me is saying that every save file has its shiny value and every egg has its shiny value, if they match up you hatch a shiny. So if you can determine the value of an egg and trade it to someone who has the same value, your egg will hatch shiny on that person's file while it won't on yours.Can someone confirm for me if it's true that in Gen VII, eggs are predetermined when the parents are deposited? I decided to let off some steam the other day, kept on going and bow I've hatched nearly 4000 Ralts eggs and no shiny. To me, if the game predetermines a chain of eggs and the egg number n will be shiny, that literally means all eggs before it have a 0% chance of being shiny, not 1/512 (or 1/683 in my non-charm case) for each egg. If each egg had a 1/683 chance at generation (when the girl is holding an egg), it'd be extremely bad luck not to have a shiny in 4000 eggs. Not asking for 8, or 6 or even 2. Just 1. Most people online claim to have a shiny in less than 500 eggs. Really?
If the game does pick a predetermined number, that number could easily be 190903 and I'm jusy wasting my time.
If I remove both parents from the daycare, and redeposit them, would the chain be determined again? I think I should have done that earlier.
The eggs themselves aren't predetermined. What the user above me is saying that every save file has its shiny value and every egg has its shiny value, if they match up you hatch a shiny. So if you can determine the value of an egg and trade it to someone who has the same value, your egg will hatch shiny on that person's file while it won't on yours.
That said, the game does store the shiny values after a reset. Let's say you save your game, hatch 30 more eggs and reset. Your next 30 eggs will have the same shiny value, regardless of the fact that you might switch out the pokemon in the daycare. The gender also stays the same if the gender ratios match up.
That means, if you hatch for an instance, a lot of Magikarp eggs (takes the least amount of steps to hatch) and you hatch a shiny 40 eggs after your last save, reset your game and put a Ralts in the daycare instead, you'll be guaranteed to hatch a shiny Ralts after 40 eggs, with the same gender as the Magikarp.
In the rare instance that the egg the day care lady is actually holding at the moment of your save is a shiny, you can refuse the egg and its values will transfer to the next generated egg, so you can't actually miss out on a shiny by refusing the egg.
I used this method a ton during gen 7, especially to hunt pokemon that require a lot of time to hatch, it saves a ton of time.
Also, hatched a shiny Clauncher after 878 eggs, next hunt's Hawlutcha.
Oh huh, I was told that after several resets they don't stay shiny anymore. Not that I've tried testing that, the only time I resetted more than once was when I tried getting a shiny female Nidoran (it's gender determination seems to be different than those of other species), so I never tried testing if there was a limit.No, the eggs are in essence pre determined. You have some change, but the egg seed that you generate after your first egg pickup determines the shiny value, the nature, the inherited IVs, the game determined IVs, and the ability of every egg frame afterward is already determined.. If the parent has a hidden ability some of the egg frames after are force changed, but everything else is the exact same. If a parent has a destiny knot, the three extra inherited stats will always be the same, no matter the parent. So everything that the game calculates is predictable enough to be considered predetermined.
I used the RNG reporter used on the article I attached earlier to help me guarantee a flawless shiny speed boost Torchic, a shiny Hidden Power Fire Treecko, and a shiny flawless Mudkip. By you saying that the shiny value is predetermined, every other thing that the game calculates for is predetermined.
So the whole masuda method and shiny odds are false in gen 7. If the egg what will be shiny is say 137, that literally means there is 0% chance any of the 136 eggs before are shiny. That's just not how it's supposed to be. If I save the game with 2 parents in daycare before the girl is holding an egg, I should get a different egg, each with a 1/683 chance of shiny, every time after SR. That's not true.
I did waste my time then. As far as I know, my shiny could be tens of thousands away still. What a dumb decision.
I'm not following you. Are the eggs predetermined or not? If they are, then there is 0% chance of eggs being shiny before the egg that has actually been predetermined to be shiny. That's just how it works. It's my understanding that this wasn't the way it worked in Gen 6.
I don't understand a single things you just said, but then again, and not thru any fault of your own, I don't care. Thank you anyway for trying to explain it.
All I know is that I either failed a 1/683 chance 3870 times in a row, or I skipped over "the shiny frame" so many times I missed the shiny egg over and over again.
However it actually works: it sucks. People have bred 20 shinies in the time I bred 0. I hatched all these eggs while binging Mythbusters, now I can fully pay attention to the show I guess.
Did you post their stats and info on the hack check thread? It couldn't hurt, just to double check on them.Well I just checked what I got in a Wonder Trade on Pokemon Home, and I got two shiny Pokemon. One being a Suicune and the other a Flygon. I'm pretty sure they are hacked. I thought Nintendo was trying to get rid of stuff like this? I guess it's harder to detect and justify what's legit and hacked.
Yep. Here you go.There's a thread for that? Can you by chance tell me where I can find it?
Thing is, if their stats, location of origin, ability and movepool is legit, there's no way to tell if they're hacked or not. Unless it's something like a mythical that can't be shiny/an otherwise shiny locked legendary where the OT and ID don't match the shiny events.Well I just checked what I got in a Wonder Trade on Pokemon Home, and I got two shiny Pokemon. One being a Suicune and the other a Flygon. I'm pretty sure they are hacked. I thought Nintendo was trying to get rid of stuff like this? I guess it's harder to detect and justify what's legit and hacked.