I already told you, Any tier that's approved by Smogon experts based on usage. If more people play UU as much as OU for example, it becomes a standard metagame. But if one tier is not being used as often as Ou, then it's not part of the standard metagame.
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I already told you, Any tier that's approved by Smogon experts based on usage. If more people play UU as much as OU for example, it becomes a standard metagame. But if one tier is not being used as often as Ou, then it's not part of the standard metagame.
How are they not part of the standard metagame? I've heard many postitive reactions regarding those two tiers as if they've become part of the standard metagame with OU.
Uber and UU are used less than OU. Fact. You consider the most used tier to be standard. Uber and UU are not standard using your own logic.
But OU has a limited capacity, causing the rest of the OU worthy Pokemon moving into UU, which has now become part of the standard metagame. Just ask Kaiser soze.
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R_N
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But UU isn't standard in that sense and people don't play it more often just because there's more things in there.
OU is still the standard.
And I browse Smogon all the time, particularly the suspects and such. People don't really bring up Ubers, and when they do it's typically in a "how can we get more people to play this" sense (or trying to ban things out of the tier which is kind of silly). When people bring up UU, they usually say it's more varied and fun than OU, but not that it actually gets more usage overall.
R_N
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Serperior has an awful movepool -> Grass Pokemon suck -> No? -> Yes! The movepools are too shallow to be used -> Lilligant is awesome -> Not even in-game -> Especially in-game -> Grass Pokemon need more than just status for competitive -> Not really, even Lilligant is finding its home in RU -> RU ISN'T STANDARD -> Yes? -> No! -> But -> Not like UU/Ubers! -> But...
I was trying to defend you on how most of the grass types in Gen 5 are mediocre and why their status annoyance aren't enough.
rocky505
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God dang it. Dattebayo started this I already know it >_<. If this is competitive then people on Smogon were saying petal dance sucks on Lilligant and that giga drain was the better choice. and the reasons were because Lilligant would get stuck in battle with Pokemon who would murder it like fire/flying types.
R_N
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Yeah, the only real worth-while move of that type is Outrage and even then it's risky.
NeohopeSTF
Sol Badguy
Suddenly A Stunfisk appears its one of the best 5th gen pokemon EVER!!
Typhlosionvsworld
Y u mad bro?
Stunfisk can be annoying when you set it up.
NeohopeSTF
Sol Badguy
Has anybody noticed that every pokemon has Competitive Potential?
Typhlosionvsworld
Y u mad bro?
Yes. You just have to know what you are doing.
Sabertooth1000000000
Nostalgic Guy
I wouldn't say that. There are a lot of underused Pokemon that can be useful if used right, but there are still a lot that are just lost causes like Sunkern, Spinda, and Luvdisc. Even if you set them up, they'll be slightly below average at best.
They're all so ridiculously powerful that they're pretty reliable anyway.
NeohopeSTF
Sol Badguy
Whats the average then?
Sets that could be pulled off easily on Pokemon with superior stats.
That's not average, that's superior.
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