Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire: Expectations & Desires? [Not a speculation thread]

[davidxrawr]

The delta episode was a lot longer than I though (everyone was saying it was too short)


2 things that would have helped post game would have been:
1. Battle Frontier
Many were expecting this to re-appear, and if it had been included many people would stop complaining


2. Customization
Not so much post game, but more of something to do on the side (too go with secret bases and contests) Im kinda bummed there was no customization because they missed the opportunity to have a nice set of tropical clothing

3. More post game areas
I like the battle resort & sky pillar but more areas/routes unlocked post game would have been great

4. More side missons
Sea Mauville (is this really a side misson though?) & new mauville were fun. There should be more, especially if it involves gym leaders and the elite four

5. An arcade (not casino) with mini games
Play games, get tickets, get prizes Could be post game or not

 

[DLO]

Bravely default, fire emblem, smash bros, zelda oot, zelda a link between worlds. Those are a just few examples of good games that offer you more than 50 hours. Hell even Disney magical world offered me more than 50 hours.
Soul silver offered me like 4x more than 50 hours.

It's irrilevant. Not everyone is the same. I got 73 hours from Heart Gold yet with no breeding or beating the Battle Maison i played Y for around TWO THOUSAND AND SIX HUNDRED HOURS. Not bored, either.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Doesn't that support Masuda's point just as much as if not more so than yours, though? That there's already quite a bit to do that requires a fair bit of meticulous - tedious? - effort and so it's not as if the removal of the Battle Frontier is felt nearly as much.

Except that makes Masuda's statement a contradiction. He removes the Battle Frontier because it's tedious yet he leaves in other things that are tedious as well. Plus the Battle Maison does absolutely nothing to address that problem, the only area in which the Battle Maison and Battle Frontier differ are in terms of the number of facilities, both of them are equally tedious. If he's so worried about tedium he's going about this the wrong way, he should be making battle facilities that are less grindy and less hax-y instead of stripping away the gimmicks and the battle styles that made past battle facilities so fun.

There is a very, very big gap between "more than 50 hours" and "200 hours". Two very different benchmarks. And if you were really able to get 200 hours out of Soul Silver over that game's life and that isn't just hyperbole, there's no reason you couldn't eventually do the same with OR/AS.

I'm not so sure of that. Soul Silver had much more to explore and a lot of things to do, and most 4th and 5th gen games usually took me about 300-400 hours before I ran out of things to do (or at least before the tedium started to set in). With XY it took me around 175. Now I haven't played ORAS so I don't really know exactly how long it takes to complete the post game content, but based on past games and how ORAS compares I would estimate that ORAS is closer to 200. Really, it all depends on what you do in post game, but in terms of comparing the post games of different games we could do an objective comparison based on what features are available and how long they would take to complete. And I could definitely buy that ORAS' post game is shorter than average based on the lack of area to explore, the lower proportion of Pokemon than average, and the lack of things to do, I suspect it doesn't measure up to something more like say, Platinum, HGSS, or BW2.

I got 73 hours from Heart Gold yet with no breeding or beating the Battle Maison i played Y for around TWO THOUSAND AND SIX HUNDRED HOURS. Not bored, either.

2600 hours? In Y? I find that hard to believe. Even if you did everything in this game that could possibly be done aside from the things you mentioned I can't see that amounting to more than 500 hours. Clocking 2600 without delving into breeding or competitive is utterly unfathomable. What are you doing that takes up so much in game time without boring you?

For that matter, does the in game clock even go past 999:99?

 

[Endolise]

Except that makes Masuda's statement a contradiction. He removes the Battle Frontier because it's tedious yet he leaves in other things that are tedious as well. Plus the Battle Maison does absolutely nothing to address that problem, the only area in which the Battle Maison and Battle Frontier differ are in terms of the number of facilities, both of them are equally tedious. If he's so worried about tedium he's going about this the wrong way, he should be making battle facilities that are less grindy and less hax-y instead of stripping away the gimmicks and the battle styles that made past battle facilities so fun.

I think Masuda meant it more in the, "Why spend all of that time remaking and putting in the Battle Frontier when we already offer other things to do during the post-game, and only a small portion of the audience will care that it's more than the Maison anyway" sense. Not that I agree with his decision, but that's how I read it.

i.e., the Battle Frontier is tedious for them to include, is what I think he's saying.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

I don't agree with Masuda's reason for the lack BF, but in a way it would make sense given how casual the community is nowadays.

I still think it's pretty BS but whatever....

 

[DLO]

2600 hours? In Y? I find that hard to believe. Even if you did everything in this game that could possibly be done aside from the things you mentioned I can't see that amounting to more than 500 hours. Clocking 2600 without delving into breeding or competitive is utterly unfathomable. What are you doing that takes up so much in game time without boring you?

For that matter, does the in game clock even go past 999:99?

Searching wild shinies, playing online or with friends, etc. Well with "breeding" i meant for shinies or good IVs, etc. Of course i did breed for egg moves, but that just takes like two minutes each time so it's irrilevant.
And yes, the clock does stop at that. However the 3DS's Diary app can exceed the amount a game imposes.

 

[Lorde]

2 things that would have helped post game would have been:
1. Battle Frontier
Many were expecting this to re-appear, and if it had been included many people would stop complaining

To this day I don't understand why that was expected; these were hyped as Ruby/Sapphire remakes from the start, so why would an Emerald exclusive location have made it into OR/AS?

 

[Bolt the Cat]

To this day I don't understand why that was expected; these were hyped as Ruby/Sapphire remakes from the start, so why would an Emerald exclusive location have made it into OR/AS?

You're being too literal. Why would you think people wouldn't want the various improvements from the enhanced version of the originals? When people say they want RS remakes, they really mean they want RS remakes with Emerald elements thrown in. Otherwise the games feel incomplete.

Also, HGSS included Crystal elements so it would be reasonable to assume that ORAS would include Emerald elements.

 

[DLO]

You're being too literal. Why would you think people wouldn't want the various improvements from the enhanced version of the originals? When people say they want RS remakes, they really mean they want RS remakes with Emerald elements thrown in. Otherwise the games feel incomplete.

Also, HGSS included Crystal elements so it would be reasonable to assume that ORAS would include Emerald elements.

He isn't exactly right because ORAS included some Emerald elements like the Johto starters. But anyway. Emerald is different from HGSS because the changes affect how the game is played. Crystal's "heavy" changes do nothing but add the Suicune subquest to the plot, which is completely secondary. Emerald changes gym teams, changes the evil team you fight through the game, adds new locations and changes the plot and the legendary of the game.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

But anyway. Emerald is different from HGSS because the changes affect how the game is played. Crystal's "heavy" changes do nothing but add the Suicune subquest to the plot, which is completely secondary. Emerald changes gym teams, changes the evil team you fight through the game, adds new locations and changes the plot and the legendary of the game.

Aside from the story though, nothing that Emerald did really conflicted with what RS did. Trainer Hill, Mirage Tower, Desert Underpass, and the Battle Frontier could all be added easily without any major conflicts with RS' structure.

 

[Lorde]

He isn't exactly right because ORAS included some Emerald elements like the Johto starters.

I don't think it really counts as GF adding in an Emerald feature when they included four sets of Starters to OR/AS in general; they probably did so simply so that all Starters would be available in Gen 6, not necessarily because they wanted to add a parallel to Emerald. :x

 

[Bolt the Cat]

I don't think it really counts as GF adding in an Emerald feature when they added four sets of Starters to OR/AS in general; they probably did so simply so that all Starters would be available in Gen 6, not necessarily because they wanted to add a parallel to Emerald. :x

Yeah, it seems more like it's a quick and cheap way to shoehorn in the remaining starters.

 

[Wulava]

Whatever their reason is and regardless of how they implemented it, I really find it interesting why they already made all Pokemon (excluding Event-only) available between XY and ORAS alone.

Assuming we get a Kalos title next year, they could have easily went with the Frontier for ORAS and saved the Soar thing/Hoopa legend for that instead. Some of the starters could have been saved for that as well. What are they planning? GF is hard to read nowadays.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Assuming we get a Kalos title next year, they could have easily went with the Frontier for ORAS and saved the Soar thing/Hoopa legend for that instead. Some of the starters could have been saved for that as well. What are they planning? GF is hard to read nowadays.

7th gen probably.

 

[Wulava]

7th gen probably.

Nah. I think it's too early for Gen 7 and they have yet to polish XY.

 

[LLR]

Nah. I think it's too early for Gen 7 and they have yet to polish XY.

Maybe it has something to do with discontinuing WiFi support for the earlier generations.

 

[Endolise]

Nah. I think it's too early for Gen 7 and they have yet to polish XY.

I think it's too early as well, and I would love to see a Z (I'm thinking that it could be an interquel between ORAS and XY - we've never had an interquel before) be released, but I think it will ultimately depend on when the 3DS' successor comes out. They'll probably want to use Pokémon to encourage console sales as soon as it comes out so that they don't have a repeat of what happened with XY, being released years after the new console had already come out.

 

[Torpoleon]

I think there definitely needs to be one more Gen 6 title. The way I see it they'll skip 2015 and release it in early 2016. 2016 is Pokémon's 20th anniversary by the way. After that I can see Gen 7 n 2017 (preferably late) on Nintendo's next handheld. I don't want Gen 7 on the 3DS.

Speaking of Emerald features, I think Juan should have been the 8th gym leader. Wallace could still have helped with the Cave of Origin and battled us in the Delta Episode. By the way, it was a missed opportunity to not have Mega Milotic (and Mega Flygon!).

 

[Bolt the Cat]

I think it's too early as well, and I would love to see a Z (I'm thinking that it could be an interquel between ORAS and XY - we've never had an interquel before) be released, but I think it will ultimately depend on when the 3DS' successor comes out. They'll probably want to use Pokémon to encourage console sales as soon as it comes out so that they don't have a repeat of what happened with XY, being released years after the new console had already come out.

Well New 3DS' existence implies that they intend for the 3DS to stick around for a while (I'm guessing 2017), so I think we're getting another 5th gen situation. So moving onto 7th gen this soon would make sense.

 

[BCVM22]

As would a return to Kalos next year or in 2016. Neither possibility necessarily trumps the other at the moment.