*Ryan* said:
For steelix I'd suggest rest considering he won't last as long without it. With rest, you can have a lasting strong physical wall. Rest>Toxic imo considering things that switch into lix are things like cune/milo/celebi/gengar who all laugh at toxic. Also, with boom on claydol, and no recovery on lix, physical sweepers can become a significant problem.
I don't find Lix in need of rest personally. Lefties recovery tends to handle things and by Resting my Lix becomes exposed way too easily, I'd be asleep the entire match and I'd much rather keep Toxic, you forget that "swampert/dusclops/Vaporeon" that you state like to switch into Dol also like to switch in to lix, and milo doesn't like Toxic much since it can't sit and stall, and short of Dol no member of my team takes much more than a scratch from it on a single turn and Milo won't be a threat without a few turns to deal it's damage. Gar doesn't switch in since it can't do enough significant damage and doesn't exactly eat Rock Slide like a champion, Celebi doesn't liek to sit there trying to stall when Toxic is running and promptly runs like the lil ***** it is when it isn't BP (and the BP version: Can't Seed and Can be PHazed by Lix). Cune, again, doesn't like to sit with Toxic, especially when I can go straight to Dos, Taunt it and let it squeeze out 2 or more turns (turn of Taunt and the turn when it comes into play after running like a *****) of Toxic before getting a chance to rest or let it run liek a ***** before Taunt and still suffer some. Tbh, I think Toxic works rather well on Lix.
*Ryan* said:
Then I'd go toxic>Ice Beam on claydol. It works really well for me with the incoming swampert/dusclops/Vaporeon switch ins. If you don't want toxic on it, then light screen/reflect is always nice to pass to another member of the team. Also, you may want a CB on claydol. Sounds retarded, but boom will do more damage and STABbed EQs, along with CB hurt. Doesn't really need the leftovers recovery on it anyway with boom imo. Also, claydols a more "switch in, switch right back out" pokemon anyway.
Tbh I'm reheartened to Ice Beam. Claydol can laugh at Clops and Flygon with it and Regice won't always be there to cover my *** with DD-mence when it's taking hits all day. Your point on physical sweepers is a valid one but in between the combo of Gyara, Ice and Lix, short of DD Tar most physical threats can be contained with the apprirate prediction. While I do question Boom's worth I'm unwilling to ditch it since it's been way too valuable in opening up the spots neccesery to sweep in times in the late game when random sh*t is keeping me from getting the win for whatever reason, while booming my Tar and Spikes counter has never been favoruable for me I've never favoured Dol all that much but it gets the job done. As for: "Doesn't really need the leftovers recovery on it anyway with boom imo. Also, claydols a more "switch in, switch right back out" pokemon anyway.", while the idea of CB Dol intrigues me, without wish support and WITH it plugging so many holes and being my spare tire for so many Pokemon I need it to be on game for not-dying unless I need it to (Booming up Lax or whatever when Lix is down IS a lifesaver on this team) and the problem with CB is it gives too much inflexibility. If I had appropriate Wish support I would normally consider it but it doesn't =/
*Ryan* said:
As for the steelix EV's, I'd suggest more attack and less special defense. He shouldn't be staying in on most special attacks anyway, regice should be taking those.
Hidden Power Ice/Grass from Electrics tell a different story and every now and then he needs to take a Psychic or w/e. The 200 SDef is nice IMO and with Lix's non-offensive style it shouldn't be overlooked in favour of offence.
chaos952 said:
I like Thunder Wave over Taunt on Gyarados.
I would normally consider it but Suicune is a threat that can only be handled by Dos, without Taunt it gets Roared and without DD it... sucks =/
