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OMG IV's do change.

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PokeMaster JOE

Pokemon Master
OMG IV's do change when your pokemon evolves.
Previously i had a exeggute, with 31 Iv's in all except sp.def and now its a exegutor and has a 23 stat and a 29 and 27 stat.
So many people said they do not change, but as i can tell thats not true. Its even wonderfully outstanding in ability and flawless sp.attack, and yes i have rechecked and it is the same pokemon, as i only had 1 wonderfully outstanding in ability. So IV's do change.

Ummm, i was wrong, well sorta wrong, i did not know IV's decrease when i use those EV berries. Why is this?? I thought these berries only reduce EV's, not IV's.
I started by mixing records and battling my level 100 armaldo which gives attack EV's, of which i never wanted so i just used one of those berries that lowers base attack. I guess it sounds pretty obvious but i thought IV's could not change.
P.s sorry for double post :(.

Edited: Double posting is not allowed here, ever. Sorry. Use the EDIT button if you want to add to your post. -Mod
 

TRJessie579

Obsessive Beader/Mod
I really think you're not checking the IVs correctly somehow.

Remember that IV calculators are NOT accurate once your Pokemon has battled. The EV-gain makes your Pokemon's stats seem higher than they are.

When you first checked your Exeggute's stats, what level was it, and had it ever battled? What did the Master Breeder say? "Wonderfully outstanding in ability" means that your Pokemon's TOTAL IV count is high, but if one stat has 31 IVs in it, he will describe the specific stat as being "flawless." If he didn't say that, you never had 31 IVs.
 
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AlexDaSlayer

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Nope I agree about topic starter. IVs do change. I had an Abra ok. I brought it to the Master Breeder and he said it was wonderfully outstanding in ability and it had perfect Sp Att and perfect Speed. (checking on him like 10 times, he randomly switches between perfect IVs)

When it evolved in Kadabra, I decided to check it again since I read another post about IVs changing, and he said my Kadabra had perfect Sp Att and perfect Def. and then he called it above average ability.

and theres no way I couldve evolved the wrong abra.

but since my pokemon kept its Sp Att, maybe theres some rule as to how the stats change ??
 
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Evanji Axu

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For some reason, they do change (I don't put in EVs when Calculating IVs) Does this have to do with giving them vitamins?
 

TRJessie579

Obsessive Beader/Mod
Vitamins raise EVs, not IVs. The Berries that change stats also affect EVs ONLY.
 
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ShadowAlakazam

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IVs are set in stone the moment you receive it, or encounter it in the wild.
It is emphasised in most guides in breeding your perfect pokemon.
Why is it that people tell you to check for IVs when the pokemon is at the earliest evolution? How short-sighted people can get to miss the fact that the IV changed? You got to bear in mind that people are very careful when they Ev train. At least the majority are. And when a wurmple evolves, surely its speed would drop as the base stat of cascoon/silcoon is lower? Surely the attack stat of your exeggutor would drop since you gave it a stat-lower berry? It did nothing to the IV, it just deducted the evs from attack.

I think before everybody thinks IVs can change, you should conduct an experiment. Get a lvl30+ zubat in and save your game. Enter its stats in a Iv calculator. Record. Give it a rare candy, and when it evolves, check it against the Iv calculator. The IV value should tally, and in a rare case, just 1 point apart. If they tally, thats proof that the value does not change while it evolves, so thats it, believe in the fact that IVs are set in stone, end of story.

I dont care if people say that the old man says you got some impressive ability. For all I know, the old men tells you which stat is the highest, however he does not specifically tell you the number, unless it is maxed. He randomly chooses a value to talk about if both stats were maxed. For all I know, the method I aforementioned, is foolproof to find out if IVs changed.

We might have been misinformed anyway(looks at AlexDaSlayer's post), so again try out my method for a foolproof answer, instead of believing what others say.
 
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TheBlueDragon

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You people are just doing something wrong, I really don't know what.
I was training a Beldum with better-than-average abilities and flawless Defense, and when it evolved to Metang it still had better than average abilities and flawless Defense. /swt
 

PokeMaster JOE

Pokemon Master
TRJessie i never battled after i got it. And IV's do change, try calculating its stats when you receive it and look at its IV's on this site, then use a few vitamins and look again, and you would of seen you were wrong they do change. Giving them berries that reduce and vitamins that raise, and you will see. Try it.
Edit- I have just now given it vitamins and its IV's are raised.
 
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ShadowAlakazam

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PokeMaster JOE said:
TRJessie i never battled after i got it. And IV's do change, try calculating its stats when you receive it and look at its IV's on this site, then use a few vitamins and look again, and you would of seen you were wrong they do change. Giving them berries that reduce and vitamins that raise, and you will see. Try it.
Edit- I have just now given it vitamins and its IV's are raised.
Now I get your problem. You dont understand a freaking thing about effort values. Look, you got a exeggcute. Then you give it a calcium which gives 10 special attack EV. This vitamin does not do anything to the IVs. Why the increase in stats? Cause effort points are meant as a bonus to your pokemon's stats. Every 4 effort points you get, an extra point would be added to your level up to that particular stat. A vitamin gives 10 effort points to the stat it gives to, then the game recalculates the stat and gives a new number. I believe you did not add the effort values of the vitamins you gave to your pokemon. For every vitamin of a stat you give it, add 10 to "effort points". When you see the results, it would plainly show that the IVs have not changed.

;065;Awaiting your reply...
 
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sailor_charon@moonsenshi.

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ShadowAlakazam said:
I think before everybody thinks IVs can change, you should conduct an experiment. Get a lvl30+ zubat in and save your game. Enter its stats in a Iv calculator. Record. Give it a rare candy, and when it evolves, check it against the Iv calculator. The IV value should tally, and in a rare case, just 1 point apart. If they tally, thats proof that the value does not change while it evolves, so thats it, believe in the fact that IVs are set in stone, end of story.

Actually, a level 30 to 31 zubat is going to do funny things because of IV rounding, but the IVs WILL stay in the same range. Good experiment, but the IVs won't stay that close between calculations.

A simulation based on my stat calculators says that a Zubat at level 30 with Sp. Atk IVs 0-3 has SP. Atk of 31. When it levels it will have Sp. Atk. of 45 or 46. If it's Sp. Atk is 45, IVs = 0-2, if the Sp. Atk = 46 then IVs = 3-5.

;077;
 
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ShadowAlakazam

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sailor_charon@moonsenshi. said:
Actually, a level 30 to 31 zubat is going to do funny things because of IV rounding, but the IVs WILL stay in the same range. Good experiment, but the IVs won't stay that close between calculations.

A simulation based on my stat calculators says that a Zubat at level 30 with Sp. Atk IVs 0-3 has SP. Atk of 31. When it levels it will have Sp. Atk. of 45 or 46. If it's Sp. Atk is 45, IVs = 0-2, if the Sp. Atk = 46 then IVs = 3-5.

;077;
Well I thought that might be a little problem, with low level pokemon Ivs not tallying...perhaps you can try to test this experiment to the extreme. If you can get your hands on 64 rare candies, you can catch a rare lvl36 zubat in victory road, and rare candy it to lvl99. Then record the stats, find out its IV value for speed since its the most dominant. Then give it the last rare candy, and let zubat evolve at lvl100. Again, key in the golbats improved stats, and find that the speed IV has not changed one bit. That is the most extreme method for the sake of proving that IVs dont change when pokemon evolve.
 

PokeMaster JOE

Pokemon Master
ShadowAlakazam said:
Now I get your problem. You dont understand a freaking thing about effort values. Look, you got a exeggcute. Then you give it a calcium which gives 10 special attack EV. This vitamin does not do anything to the IVs. Why the increase in stats? Cause effort points are meant as a bonus to your pokemon's stats. Every 4 effort points you get, an extra point would be added to your level up to that particular stat. A vitamin gives 10 effort points to the stat it gives to, then the game recalculates the stat and gives a new number. I believe you did not add the effort values of the vitamins you gave to your pokemon. For every vitamin of a stat you give it, add 10 to "effort points". When you see the results, it would plainly show that the IVs have not changed.

;065;Awaiting your reply...


ooooo, ok, i will try.
 
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ShadowAlakazam

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Ah good. I'm waiting for a response. Please note that even if you added 10 effort points to special attack for every vitamin you gave, it might not tally, but thats because the effort points sink into the stats in a balanced manner.
The effort points will all be added to the pokemon stats(all of them, provided you got them)by lvl100.
 
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