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Once There Were GreenFields (522)
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STICKTOPIA
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I'll always miss cacnea.
Willow's Tara
The Bewitched
I thought this was a pretty good episode, episodes like these is what makes James more interesting.
I noticed alot of firsts in this episode too:
First time a villian given a Pokemon to any of the good guys (Lickitung doesn't count since it was an accident).
First time Jessie or James have actually gave thier Pokemon special training to learn a move
Plus first time a Gym leader has appeared like ten episodes before her Gym match and then ten or so episodes AFTER the Gym battle, not even Clair has reappeared way after the gym battle (Luckily I like Gardenia so I don't mind).
I do wonder of Cacnea will evovle, maybe we will somehow see him one day, Gardenia doesn't seem to always stay in her town (Eterna Forest then somewhere in Hearthome right?). Which speaking of I think still to this day Gardenia has a quite unqiue personality (But when I see Candice/Fantina/Volkner then that might change but as it stands Gardenia is the one)
I noticed alot of firsts in this episode too:
First time a villian given a Pokemon to any of the good guys (Lickitung doesn't count since it was an accident).
First time Jessie or James have actually gave thier Pokemon special training to learn a move
Plus first time a Gym leader has appeared like ten episodes before her Gym match and then ten or so episodes AFTER the Gym battle, not even Clair has reappeared way after the gym battle (Luckily I like Gardenia so I don't mind).
I do wonder of Cacnea will evovle, maybe we will somehow see him one day, Gardenia doesn't seem to always stay in her town (Eterna Forest then somewhere in Hearthome right?). Which speaking of I think still to this day Gardenia has a quite unqiue personality (But when I see Candice/Fantina/Volkner then that might change but as it stands Gardenia is the one)
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So will I. It was one of the few Hoenn Pokemon in the anime that I liked.
The episode was too dramatic even given the situation. TR are supposed to be the bad guys yet James gives his Cacnea to a major character (Gardenia)
5/10
Willow's Tara
The Bewitched
You stalking my posts Kira
JK lol, are you watching from S1-11? (That's what I been doing).
I don't think it's too weird James did that, he always had that soft side, it's Jessie I don't see giving any of her Pokemon for unless it's exchange for a better one (I don't think she would have exchanged Seviper/Dustox though)
JK lol, are you watching from S1-11? (That's what I been doing).I don't think it's too weird James did that, he always had that soft side, it's Jessie I don't see giving any of her Pokemon for unless it's exchange for a better one (I don't think she would have exchanged Seviper/Dustox though)
Shadow XD001
Well-Known Member
I feel bad for James and if he ever got it back (doubt it, unfortunately) it would most likely be a Cacturne, or at least Cacnea with an awesome moveset.
It would be so cool if Ash and everyone had to go back through Eterna, and Cacnea would be there. But it would be a Cacturne! And James could take him back.
I truly LOVED this episode. James HAS given up 3 of his Pokes, but that's just what makes it more interesting! I do miss Cacnea though, and the Carnivine skull-bite isn't as funny as the spike-hug.
9.7/10.
And James finally realized that in the end. Cacnea would be way better of with Gardenia than James. I will miss it though. Maybe it will come back. I like the Cacturne idea!
And James finally realized that in the end. Cacnea would be way better of with Gardenia than James. I will miss it though. Maybe it will come back. I like the Cacturne idea!
I like the Cacturne idea too. I think it would be cool if we see Cacnea again in it's evolved form, that would really show it's growth.
Sort of skipping one review to come to this episode, but I'm going to refer to that episode when writing this review as I definitely think that to fully appreciate this episode, you need to watch the last episode in the same sitting.
Both episodes are similar in that they are told from a point of view that is a little different than what we are normally used to. Last episode, Chimchar's thoughts were shown, and this episode is predominately from James's perspective, with a little of Gardenia's thought process thrown in during the double battle. I was sort of thinking of this pt when I was watching today's Sinnoh League episode b/c you can apply this there as well, but if you did not know that the show's main character was Ash, this would be a misleading episode for your first one. Yet, I think Ash is the one who gives this episode the ability to really touch the heart, just by his facial expressions. One of the pts I'm trying to show when doing these reviews is that many times the writers don't allow us to see Sinnoh Ash's thoughts, which for me highlights his maturity (I do realize I'm stretching things here, since the writers really only want us to see James's thoughts in this episode-please bear with me). So remember how last episode ends, with Ash having a satisfied, confident smile as he succeeds in helping Chimchar overcome its fears of the Zangoose (I call it Ash's "Goku" smile).
I'm not sure if this is dubbing thing or not, but it's funny how this episode starts. Brock talks about destiny in his flirting scene with Gardenia, and Jessie talks about how never giving up is a virtue during her wisecrack talking to Dawn. Really, these issues are what this episode focuses on. James does not want to give Cacnea to Gardenia, but he feels this might be what is best for the pokemon. So he basically gives himself this challenge: if he can teach Cacnea to master Drain Punch, then he is a worthy trainer for Cacnea. Gardenia plants this idea in James's mind during the double battle, and again I find it scary the way she does so. She stops paying attention to her Turtwig during the double battle, preferring to gauge Cacnea's abilities. Then after the battle she requests Cacnea from James, but does not allow him to give a response as she jumps at the opportunity the children give her to leave (acting like everything is peachy in doing so). Jessie is right, Gardenia does have an ego, and as I said before, people like that who are not what they appear to be scare me. The gym leader really plays on James's nature here.
So James accepts the challenge of teaching Cacnea drain punch, and Ash, with a smile,volunteers to do some special training with him. Again, keep in mind with what Ash has been able to do with Chimchar last episode.
Well, the training does not go so well, as James cannot get down the timing for Drain Punch. It's sunset now, and a very sad James is sitting with Cacnea off to the side while the rest of the group watches him. This is where the never giving up vs. destiny part comes him. James can feel it, that he has failed and he is going to have to give Cacnea to Gardenia for its own good. And yet, one more time, one more chance....He does not give up just yet. In a sudden burst of optimism, he calls to Ash for help, and Ash, again with a smile, agrees. Gardenia arrives to watch, to James's annoyance (and watching this, you can feel "destiny" approaching), but he consents to let her watch. So we end this episode with the battle we started it with: Cacnea vs Aipom.
Maybe Drain Punch hasn't worked that well for James, but it's obvious that his training hasn't been for nothing: Needle Arm is much stronger than it was before. And yet, that's not it. Needle Arm wasn't the pt; it has to be Drain Punch, or nothing. You can feel it; this is like Paul's problem with Chimchar. Flamethrower may have become stronger, but it must be Blaze. Nothing else will suffice. But while that conflict made you happy when Paul finally released Chimchar since you felt the right thing was going to happen, here I was tearing up. Cacnea is not going to master Drain Punch, and James is going to have to release it. This is destiny, as Cynthia later says about Chimchar and its relation to Ash and Paul, but...it's so different, isn't it? And James and Cacnea still try to run away from it, try to never give up. But Focus punch after focus punch lands on Cacnea, and it's heartbreaking. Ash has gone from smiling to clenching his teeth (maybe even close to crying himself).
James finally grabs Cacnea and tells it to stop. He gives Cacnea to Gardenia, acknowledging that he knows she will take care of it (which is what this whole episode was about, right?). And off he runs, with Gardenia turning her face to Cacnea's pokeball as Jessie and Meowth follow. Ash and company watch as well, in silence with serious, sympathetic looks on their faces. It's an amazing scene, and definitely when you compare it was the look on Ash's face at the end of last episode, it really just hits you what has happened in this episode. Sometimes life has feel good stories like last episode, and sometimes it's stories are touching and sad like this one.
This episode is amazing. Everyone has a funny moment in it.
Both episodes are similar in that they are told from a point of view that is a little different than what we are normally used to. Last episode, Chimchar's thoughts were shown, and this episode is predominately from James's perspective, with a little of Gardenia's thought process thrown in during the double battle. I was sort of thinking of this pt when I was watching today's Sinnoh League episode b/c you can apply this there as well, but if you did not know that the show's main character was Ash, this would be a misleading episode for your first one. Yet, I think Ash is the one who gives this episode the ability to really touch the heart, just by his facial expressions. One of the pts I'm trying to show when doing these reviews is that many times the writers don't allow us to see Sinnoh Ash's thoughts, which for me highlights his maturity (I do realize I'm stretching things here, since the writers really only want us to see James's thoughts in this episode-please bear with me). So remember how last episode ends, with Ash having a satisfied, confident smile as he succeeds in helping Chimchar overcome its fears of the Zangoose (I call it Ash's "Goku" smile).
I'm not sure if this is dubbing thing or not, but it's funny how this episode starts. Brock talks about destiny in his flirting scene with Gardenia, and Jessie talks about how never giving up is a virtue during her wisecrack talking to Dawn. Really, these issues are what this episode focuses on. James does not want to give Cacnea to Gardenia, but he feels this might be what is best for the pokemon. So he basically gives himself this challenge: if he can teach Cacnea to master Drain Punch, then he is a worthy trainer for Cacnea. Gardenia plants this idea in James's mind during the double battle, and again I find it scary the way she does so. She stops paying attention to her Turtwig during the double battle, preferring to gauge Cacnea's abilities. Then after the battle she requests Cacnea from James, but does not allow him to give a response as she jumps at the opportunity the children give her to leave (acting like everything is peachy in doing so). Jessie is right, Gardenia does have an ego, and as I said before, people like that who are not what they appear to be scare me. The gym leader really plays on James's nature here.
So James accepts the challenge of teaching Cacnea drain punch, and Ash, with a smile,volunteers to do some special training with him. Again, keep in mind with what Ash has been able to do with Chimchar last episode.
Well, the training does not go so well, as James cannot get down the timing for Drain Punch. It's sunset now, and a very sad James is sitting with Cacnea off to the side while the rest of the group watches him. This is where the never giving up vs. destiny part comes him. James can feel it, that he has failed and he is going to have to give Cacnea to Gardenia for its own good. And yet, one more time, one more chance....He does not give up just yet. In a sudden burst of optimism, he calls to Ash for help, and Ash, again with a smile, agrees. Gardenia arrives to watch, to James's annoyance (and watching this, you can feel "destiny" approaching), but he consents to let her watch. So we end this episode with the battle we started it with: Cacnea vs Aipom.
Maybe Drain Punch hasn't worked that well for James, but it's obvious that his training hasn't been for nothing: Needle Arm is much stronger than it was before. And yet, that's not it. Needle Arm wasn't the pt; it has to be Drain Punch, or nothing. You can feel it; this is like Paul's problem with Chimchar. Flamethrower may have become stronger, but it must be Blaze. Nothing else will suffice. But while that conflict made you happy when Paul finally released Chimchar since you felt the right thing was going to happen, here I was tearing up. Cacnea is not going to master Drain Punch, and James is going to have to release it. This is destiny, as Cynthia later says about Chimchar and its relation to Ash and Paul, but...it's so different, isn't it? And James and Cacnea still try to run away from it, try to never give up. But Focus punch after focus punch lands on Cacnea, and it's heartbreaking. Ash has gone from smiling to clenching his teeth (maybe even close to crying himself).
James finally grabs Cacnea and tells it to stop. He gives Cacnea to Gardenia, acknowledging that he knows she will take care of it (which is what this whole episode was about, right?). And off he runs, with Gardenia turning her face to Cacnea's pokeball as Jessie and Meowth follow. Ash and company watch as well, in silence with serious, sympathetic looks on their faces. It's an amazing scene, and definitely when you compare it was the look on Ash's face at the end of last episode, it really just hits you what has happened in this episode. Sometimes life has feel good stories like last episode, and sometimes it's stories are touching and sad like this one.
This episode is amazing. Everyone has a funny moment in it.
Hikari Paradise
Forever Alone
Truly a sad episode for James and cacnea. I thought it was kind of nice to hear Make a Wish playing at the end. It made the ep so emotional.
The Pokemon Broadcast
Snafu
It's good to see an episode where TR are actually working with AshnCo. instead of trying to steal Ash's Pikachu every chance they get.
I haven't seen enough episodes with Cacnea in them to really judge if i like him or not. I guess I'll never know now, will I?
Goodbye Cacnea!
I hope you successfully learn Drain Punch!
I haven't seen enough episodes with Cacnea in them to really judge if i like him or not. I guess I'll never know now, will I?
Goodbye Cacnea!
I hope you successfully learn Drain Punch!
Lance The Champ
The Aura Guardian
Gardenia finally got James's Cacnea.... She had set her eyes on Cacnea the very first day she saw it
G50
No longer posting
This episode was ok... It was cool to see Gardenia again. It was great to see Drain Punch for the 1st time. It was disappointing to see James giveaway his Cacnea to Gardenia, for training. It was cool to see the Gang deciding to help TR in this episode for a change. It was great to see James become so emotional after giving away his Cacnea, showing how much he cared about it.
40/100
40/100
Bulba the Great!
We Do Not Sow
It's episodes like this that make me REALLY upset we've lost old TR in BW. Cacnea's farewell was masterful, and as soon as Chiisaki Mono started playing, I went "No...please no..." because I knew tears would follow. Beautifully done.
Very good James episode.
Very good James episode.
BurningSociety12345543210
Banned
I'm just going to say that I don't care that Cacnea left.