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OU Metagame Discussion Thread

Discussion in '6th Gen' started by Ragnarok, Jan 8, 2015.

  1. Prakhar

    Prakhar Normal: The abnormal

    I don't think that (mega) slowbro is too broken, its just annoying. Unaware clefable with cosmic power can beat it anyday. So can chansey, it its running slack off, use toxic, and if its running rest, in the two (actually three) turns, it can be smacked in the face. If it carries sleep talk, chansey laughs, and if it carries (like mine does) Rest, calm Mind, Psyshock, Scald, then it is going to be ko'ed by breloom (sash, bullet seed while sleeping) and rotom-w (t-bolt, before set up). While it is annoying to face, once you figure its recovery method (not too hard as they cant hide it), its easy to get past it. On rest/sleep talk sets, water absorbers/dry skinners/etc. say hi.
     
  2. Mr.Y

    Mr.Y O)_(O

    Chansey laughs so much at a rest talk set that it's set-up fodder. Chansey comes in on M-Slowbro, it uses calm mind twice (seismic toss is a 4 hit hit KO) and keep using rest sleep talk (Bro wakes up the turn before it's gonna faint from st) until chansey dies. It's gonna take a while but with scald burns chansey will be the one in the back. A Slowbro will not try to set up against Chansey though, there are many better 'mons for it to set up on. Also, no one carries rest without sleep talk, so your breloom situation is not gonna happen. Your opponent will switch out, unless Breloom is at a low hp and Bro has some boost under it's belt. Rotom doesn't uses t-bolt, it runs volt switch instead, meaning that it doesn't put many offensive pressure, and if you get a Rotom vs Slowbro match up your opponent probably is at +1 now. And waters absorvers and dry skinners would say hi if they were actually viable (besides Toxicroak and Seismitoad).
    Also, about Clefable: 0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Slowbro: 118-141 (29.9 - 35.7%) -- 35.1% chance to 3HKO
    4 SpA Mega Slowbro Scald vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 118-139 (29.9 - 35.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
    It doesn't really always beat it, it would just become a stall war.
    I don't think mega bro is broken, but it is a really good 'mon.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2015
  3. jirachiuser1

    jirachiuser1 balance

    Yeah I'll agree it is a check, albeit unreliable. The poster above me was claiming that it was the "biggest offensive check" for M-Diancie, when M-Diancie really doesn't have any 100% reliable offensive checks except for Scizor, which is what makes it threatening.

    The turn that it mega evolves is probably the weakest turn for Diancie, but it can obviously run Protect on the last slot to bypass this flaw. It does lose out on RP or CM in the last slot, but Protect Diancie has been pretty popular nowadays because its extremely useful. Before, Diancie would lose to things like lead chomp or scarf Lando-t because it can't risk staying in, but protect makes sure that the Diancie user is completely safe (after protecting, you also force the Garchomp user out instead).

    I don't think Mega Sableye deserves suspect before Diancie because I believe its pretty overrated in this meta. Yes, its a staple on stall and it is a very good mon in general, but the prevalence of fairies just make it that much less effective. There's also other non-fairy megas such as Gyarados / Charizard x / Charizard y and other mons like SD Talonflame or Sub Cm Keldeo that can outright beat it 1v1. Unless one of the other fairies gets banned, I don't consider Mega Sableye a suspect worthy mon right now. Mega Sableye finds itself at home in balanced teams that can handle its threats and really abuse Sableye's ability to shut down hazards.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2015
  4. Mega Metagross is Mega Diancie's biggest offensive check, though. I mean, how many other Mega Diancie checks are over 8 feet tall and weigh more than a ton?

    But for real, Mega Metagross is Mega Diancie's most influential check. It's not perfect by any means, but it does win the 1v1 matchup and has an even better chance if Mega Diancie is running HP Fire and thus loses the speed tie. Mega Diancie, like other Fairies in general, was set to naturally get better as a result of the dominant Steel being banned had Mega Metagross left, and that could have helped push it towards a suspect test. That said, I have seen a couple of good players vouching for a Mega Diancie ban even in a Mega Metagross metagame, so there's a chance it might still be looked at later on down the road. However, I do think there would have been a much better chance for it to be tested if Mega Metagross had been banned.

    I do want to agree with the above about Mega Sableye being overrated, though. It's a top Mega for sure, but it's not as dominant as it was before, and I certainly don't think it deserves a suspect test. I'll just copy and paste something I posted in the OU Viability Ranking thread when discussing Mega Sableye to be moved from S to A+ Rank, since it should give a good glimpse on my thought process here.

     
  5. Psynergy

    Psynergy Strong Winds Staff Member Super Mod

    So OU put up a ladder with no Megas allowed. What with the No Scald UU ladder I guess they're opening up the floor a bit on experimentation. It's kinda nice this way since it's probably less likely to cause drama the same way suspect tests do but I do hope people don't get carried away with the idea and start to assume this is some sort of suspect test.

    As for the ladder itself I'm not interested, though. Mega Evolution is honestly one of the reasons Gen 6 (competitive or otherwise) interests me as much as it does, and seeing as it's a huge part of the game now I can't see myself playing or enjoying a ladder that removes a mechanic like Mega Evolution. Still, seeing as so many people were so averse to Mega Evolution as a concept and dislike the power creep that it seemingly brought with it, experimenting with this can't really be a bad thing. Seeing as this isn't replacing the current metagame I don't care, I can just not play it.
     
  6. AskTheShadow

    AskTheShadow Member

    I am excited for a no scald UU. Scald is just stupidly spamable. There is no drawbacks. A 30% chance of putting a timer on any hard counter is really annoying.
    But I also don't want scald to be banned from UU, so the new ladder will be nice to try out.
     
  7. Mr. Reloaded

    Mr. Reloaded At this point, who knows?

    The no megas ladder should have included no Knock Off, would been cool too see how many Bisharp's we'd still around.
    It's just as spammable as Scald, so I don't see why not. :p
     
  8. Eaglehawk

    Eaglehawk Banned

    Bisharp will probably still be viable because it punishes Defoggers pretty harshly, not to also mention it completely ruins the tier's top two Defoggers, Latias and Latios.
     
  9. Mr. Reloaded

    Mr. Reloaded At this point, who knows?

  10. Psynergy

    Psynergy Strong Winds Staff Member Super Mod

    This is either an incredibly elaborate and early joke, a genius idea or a horrible mistake. Not sure which yet, but on paper Giratina-O just seems like it might just be a bit too much for OU. Giratina-O may have the single item making it predictable in that regard, but it's still basically Draco + Spooky Plate in one item that can't be removed (so no Knock Off boost) which is pretty good. And 150/120/100/120/100/90 with a vast movepool complete with STAB priority is no joke. Of course I'm not sure how all of this translates to actual practice, guess I'll wait a few days to see if it's actually not a joke and then try it out for myself.
     
  11. Yeah lol, I took one look at that thread and thought, "Oh, is it that time of the year already?"
     
  12. Disaster_Lord

    Disaster_Lord Sad Bayleef is Sad.

    Defog wow dmeteor Shadow ball with a timid nature and enough investment to outrun positive base 80 speed on a sand team have done wonders for me, it feels overwhelming. It's like a poisonable aegislash with more versatility that checks Lando. Honestly it feels like too much for OU.
     
  13. ger9119

    ger9119 Well-Known Member

    I'm kinda interested in Giratina-O in OU mainly since it's something different. It is certainly overpowered for OU on paper, but we can see how well it fares in actual testing. A lot of common OU mons will certainly have trouble getting passed it's bulk and it's movepool is huge. So there's various sets you can run effectively, from Stall to HO.
     
  14. phanpycross

    phanpycross God-king

    Interesting choice for a suspect, althrough on paper, it seems to blanket check most of OU, and it's movepool is insane.

    it's main issue is certainly lack of recovery, but when the thing already has more bulk than aegislash.....
     
  15. ger9119

    ger9119 Well-Known Member

    It's most certainly an April's Fools joke.
     
  16. Mr. Reloaded

    Mr. Reloaded At this point, who knows?

    Even if it is a joke, I feel it was at least a nice idea.

    Though if anything's gonna legitimately be suspected to drop, it'd be Aegislash and only Aegislash.

    • I don't know why people keep crying for Mawile
    • Shaymin S is basically a more obnoxious Togekiss
    • We've already done Genesect
    • lol Kyurem W

    But to be honest, I really don't feel Giratina-O would be that bad in OU.
     
  17. Psynergy

    Psynergy Strong Winds Staff Member Super Mod

    After making my previous post I had taken another look at the suspect thread post and had fun reading it. At this point I'll be surprised if it isn't a joke. "At the beginning of the X/Y era, many people suggested that Giratina-Origin shouldn't have been included in the initial banlist" is a good sentence in particular. This is the way to do a good April Fool's joke. Bonus points if it ends up being a setup for a real suspect test on Aegislash. Using a well-established top level Uber in OU is hilarious regardless though.
     
  18. Ace Of Keys

    Ace Of Keys Me and My sketch pad

    Giratina-O is still a beast however given the current metagame as well as future changes that could happen it wouldn't be impossible to see it in OU. Reastically though i'm not really seeing it budging from its current uber status
     
  19. ger9119

    ger9119 Well-Known Member

    That's how you know when a Metagame is borked when a top level Uber coming into it sounds acceptable.
     
  20. Karxrida

    Karxrida Lost in the Waves

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