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Overrated Pokemon

OfCorsola

Brock and Misty!
Cyrogonal, Lampet, Klink, and Klefki are the overrated ones in my eyes. They lack design and power, and I'm not a big fan of their moves either.
 
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KillerDraco

Well-Known Member
Cyrogonal, Lampet, Klink, and Klefki are the overrated ones in my eyes. They lack design and power, and I'm not a big fan of their moves either.

...Well, I wouldn't really classify any of them as overrated except MAYBE Klefki, since all of them are very low on the popularity spectrum. When was the last time anyone talked about Cryogonal or Klink? That seems more like you just disliking them, rather than having them be genuinely overrated.
 

OfCorsola

Brock and Misty!
...Well, I wouldn't really classify any of them as overrated except MAYBE Klefki, since all of them are very low on the popularity spectrum. When was the last time anyone talked about Cryogonal or Klink? That seems more like you just disliking them, rather than having them be genuinely overrated.

No I think they are overrated I like Klink on the otherhand, but I still think it's an overrated pokemon. Maybe if you don't classify them as "overrated" I do on the other hand.
 

dirkac

I smash your Boxes.
See: Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon. Then get back to me.

Yeah, and all of those Psuedo Legends have no reason focus in defensive Stats, while Goodra does.

You have a choice between defense and offense, most Psuedo Legendaries chose offense, Goodra chose defense, and still has good offense to boot.

Furthermore, those are six examples. Out of many Pokémon that have offenses of around 100 and are still common-place on offensive prowess.
 

Akashin

Well-Known Member
See: Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon. Then get back to me.

...And? How does there being stronger pseudos make Goodra mediocre?

Yeah, and all of those Psuedo Legends have no reason focus in defensive Stats, while Goodra does.

You have a choice between defense and offense, most Psuedo Legendaries chose offense, Goodra chose defense, and still has good offense to boot.

Furthermore, those are six examples. Out of many Pokémon that have offenses of around 100 and are still common-place on offensive prowess.

This, essentially. Put it way better than I did.
 

Mew The Gato

___________
Poison makes zero sense for it, as it's based upon snails, snail slime, and a mythological snail-esque dragon from mid-western Europe, none of which remotely have to do with Poison.

"Have fun dying to any physical attack"?
Literally the same can be said about Blissey, Mandibuzz inversively, etc.
You logic is severely flawed.

110 Sp. Attack is not mediocre, if it was, a large amoutn of offensive Pokémon must be mediocre to you.

252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 295-348 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Goodra: 147-174 (38.2 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Goodra barely has better physical bulk than Blissey, and the latter has excellent support options.

And no, Mandibuzz can hold its own on the defensive stat it does not focus on, too.

Also, with the arrival of things like Sylveon, and the dawn of Mandibuzz, 110 in an offensive stat is just not enough, if not for excellent abilities like Protean or Gale Wings in conjunction with great STABs. Goodra is possibly one of the weakest pseudo-legendaries.

Even though it it the best because it is the cutest.
 
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Sprinter1988

Well-Known Member
Poison makes zero sense for it, as it's based upon snails, snail slime, and a mythological snail-esque dragon from mid-western Europe, none of which remotely have to do with Poison.

Actually many sea snails and sea slugs (such as the blue dragon slug), which are what Goomy, Sliggo and Goodra are largely based upon (moreso than snails), are poisonous or make use of poisons . Also the first line of Sliggo's pokedex entry in X reads as follows: It drives away opponents by excreting a sticky liquid that can dissolve anything. If that doesn't scream "poison type" then I don't know what does! (I think they should have used the word "secrete" instead of "excrete" as the latter usually refers to pooping!)

Anyway I don't think that there really are too many over-rated pokemon as all can be very good against the right opponents. What many of the areguments here boil down to is that there are many pokemon that are "over-used."
 
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...And? How does there being stronger pseudos make Goodra mediocre?



This, essentially. Put it way better than I did.

It's simple: Goodra can't boost it in any way. Base 110 does seem good on paper, especially when OU compare it to others, but then you realize that you can't do anything to increase it. Most other offensive Pokémon can. Goodra is one dimensional. The only thing that you'll see serious players use is assault vest, and rarely specs. That's it.

Let's take Greninja for example. He's an OU. Pokémon with a base 103 special attack stat. Mediocre, right? Then you realize that he gets STAB on every move, and his most common item is a Life Orb, which turns a mediocre attack stat into something to be feared. He ends up having a special attack stat higher than Goodra.

And Dirkac, Tyranitar, Metagross, and Garchomp can all perform defensive roles. Tyranitar and Metagross have a much higher base attack stat, and con hold the Assault Vest for good use. Garchomp has utility. A LOT of utility. Figuring out the set is half the battle. He can go scarfed, to being a Sub-Phazer with a Bulky Dragon Tail set.

You also mentioned that a lot of offensive Pokémon have 'mediocre' offensive stats by my definition. I fail to see how Espeon, Latias, Goodra, Greninja, Talonflame, and Infernape are a lot. Aside from those, and defensive Pokémon, all other Pokémon have an offensive stat at base 120 or more. I'm talking OU, not NU.
 
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LittleLadyLeafeon

Struggling Cutie
Umbreon. Oh my god. People like worship this thing. Its honestly not even in the top half of my favorite Eeveelutions.

Yes! Umbreon is my second favorite Eeveelution, actually, but the immense praise and following for the Pokémon alone make me reluctant to like it. The Eeveelutions are very popular, and I don't know why. Personally I really do love them- but I was drawn in by the fact that Eevee could evolve into SO many things and that made it unique. But at the same time, it doesn't make up for the huge worship chasing after Umbreon.
 

Blaze The Movie Fan

Reviewer and PokéFan
It's simple: Goodra can't boost it in any way. Base 110 does seem good on paper, especially when OU compare it to others, but then you realize that you can't do anything to increase it. Most other offensive Pokémon can. Goodra is one dimensional. The only thing that you'll see serious players use is assault vest, and rarely specs. That's it.

Let's take Greninja for example. He's an OU. Pokémon with a base 103 special attack stat. Mediocre, right? Then you realize that he gets STAB on every move, and his most common item is a Life Orb, which turns a mediocre attack stat into something to be feared. He ends up having a special attack stat higher than Goodra.

And Dirkac, Tyranitar, Metagross, and Garchomp can all perform defensive roles. Tyranitar and Metagross have a much higher base attack stat, and con hold the Assault Vest for good use. Garchomp has utility. A LOT of utility. Figuring out the set is half the battle. He can go scarfed, to being a Sub-Phazer with a Bulky Dragon Tail set.

You also mentioned that a lot of offensive Pokémon have 'mediocre' offensive stats by my definition. I fail to see how Espeon, Latias, Goodra, Greninja, Talonflame, and Infernape are a lot. Aside from those, and defensive Pokémon, all other Pokémon have an offensive stat at base 120 or more. I'm talking OU, not NU.

Personally, I think it's unfair to compare Goodra with Pokémon with over 120 special attack or attack stat, because it wasn't designed to be an attacker. It was designed to be a special wall.

Also, it isn't always necessary to increase the stat, I have managed to use Raichu just fine without ever increasing its special attack stat.

At least Goodra is able to cause a good amount of damage with its 110 special attack stat.

If you want an example of a Pokémon with good special defense stat but is a bad Pokémon overall, Hypno is a much better example. It is one of the worst psychic-types out there as unlike most of the rest, it doesn't have useful special attack stat.
 

KillerDraco

Well-Known Member
It was designed to be a special wall.

Well... not really. Goodra lacks the reliable recovery necessary to be a dedicated wall. It can attempt HydrationRest, but that's its only recovery option. Goodra functions better as an offensive Pivot.

As Clone mentioned, Goodra is fairly predictable in its role. Virtually every Goodra you see will be carrying an Assault Vest, so you know it's going to function as a Pivot. Fortunately, due to its massive movepool, the exact moves it carries are not a guarantee. It has a ton of options, from the predictable Draco Meteors/Dragon Pulse and Fire Blasts, to things like Power Whip and Dragon Tail. Its offenses may not be overwhelmingly high, but given its special bulk, it can switch into things most non-blob Pokemon can't, such as Mega Charizard Y, Greninja, etc., and either force them out or KO them. Its defense may be comparatively lower than its Special Defense, but it's not nearly as lopsided as something like Blissey or Skarmory. Not having any 4x weaknesses is a nice plus as well. Goodra may be one-dimensional, but it's very good at that one dimension. Honestly, I'd compare it to the Snorlaxes of years past. Easy to switch in on special attackers, and easy to force them out. It may need Wish support to sustain itself due to no recovery, but eh, support from teammates is a part of Pokemon.

I'd honestly go so far as to say it's not THAT overrated. The opinion of it is pretty split, given a lot of people dismissed it outright due to being the first Pseudo-Legendary not to be offensively-inclined. An annoying manner of getting it to evolve in-game soured some people's opinions of it too. Competitively it does see some usage, being about in the top 30 or so, but there are a lot of Pokemon, dragons especially, who eclipse it in usage. And of course, some people mocked it due to its "childish" appearance (in before Dragon Tales joke).

I see a lot more hating on Goodra rather than believing it's truly overrated. I'd say the opinion of it is split enough that it's not truly overrated.
 
Charizard, Pikachu, Lucario(dammit GF), Typhlosion, Feraligatr, Blaziken, Dragonite, Scizor, Rotom Wash, Goodra, Talonflame, Meowstic, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Espeon and Greninja.
 

MachoCheeze

Uh-huh, honey
Lucario for obvious reasons. It's really the only Pokemon that bugs me from getting pushed down our throats. I really don't mind that it happens to Charizard or Pikachu.

Also don't get the appeal of Gardevoir or Absol. They're so popular but so... bland. Maybe all of the Gardevoir porn just weird me out? Well, Pokeporn in general does.
 

Blaze The Movie Fan

Reviewer and PokéFan
Pikachu. Everytime I say Pokemon his name pops up.


Not like I hate him. It just happens frequently.

Pikachu is overrated when it comes to marketing as too many toys and so on are based on that Pokémon.

But in battles, I don't think Pikachu is that overrated.

I mean how many times do you see people passionate about battling using it in wifi battles? Not very often.

Sadly, people do often choose Pikachu over Raichu because of that stupid light ball, but other than that Pikachu isn't used much.

But hey, this is a thread about overrated Pokémon in general, I know it's not limited to just how often they're used in wifi battles, I still felt like pointing this out though.
 
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