Torterra can defeat the pokemon from the BF,Trip's Serperior,and the rest.And if you retort by saying it lacks feats then you might as well place it below your tier 1 ranking at that point.
Well it can defeat Lucy's Milotic, Anabel's Espeon, Trip's Serperior, Misty's Mega Gyarados and maybe Korrina's Mega Lucario too, but likely not defeating Brandon's Regice and certainly not tying with Tobias's Latios, taking down 2 of Alain's pseudos + making his Charizard kneel, contributing significant damage to bring down Lysandre's absurdly powerful Mega Gyarados, or OHKO'ing Mother Beast Nihilego like Pikachu did with 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt. So there lies quite some feats of Pikachu here which Torterra hasn't done anything to show that it'd be able to pull off those.
No it wouldn't,it would only take one hit for it to be KOed,you saw how Pikachu fared against Flint's Infernape,honestly it should have went down in one blow like Infernape did but it had to get back up for plot reasons.
Plot reasons is the most dumbest excuse ever to use to explain something that actually happened in the anime, because it's basically our headcannon and not a fact to call something the anime depicts on-screen as because of plot reasons. Using that logic, no Pokemon can be claimed to be stronger than no one because everythging happens because of plot.
Pikachu still was able tank plenty of powerful hits from Flint's Infernape and hold on for a long amount of time before going down. But suire Flint's Infernape isn't on Cynthia's Garchomp's level; Garchomp still is quite a bit above Infernape.
Flint's Infernape isn't on Garchomp's level so Pikachu isn't doing better than Torterra.Could also use the example involving Trip's Serperior facing Alder's Bouffalant,it only took one hit for it to faint.
The Pikachu who battled Regice, Latios, Alain, Lysandre is definitely
not going down in one hit from Garchomp and doing clearly better than Torterra.....though of course Garchomp being immune to Pikachu's Electric attacks would make it tough.
Yeah so what made you think it was a good idea to mention them in the first place?
To show that Pikachu has plenty of feats which are better than Torterra's feats.
You have a better chance at convincing that to someone else than with me.
It's not my problem if you refuse to be convinced though. Pikachu's inconsistency is definitely an issue in the anime without doubt, but has defeated Legendaries, Megas and Ultra Beasts not only once, but multiple times, so you can't brush those feats of as PIS, flukes, hax, etc., for your own convenience. Yeah Pikachu's power fluctuates throughout the series, it goes from defeating a Legendary to losing to a newbie/weak Pokemon every now and then, but honestly that has to happen: because otherwise when Ash goes to a new region, he'd sweep every newbie trainer left and right conveniently with Pikachu, then the anime won't be of any interest to watch if Ash just conveniently swept majority of trainers with Pikachu, so Pikachu has to hit the reset button: as afterall it's Ash's lifelong partner and travels with Ash everywhere in his journey as a Pokemon trainer. Would you have enjoyed the Lake Acucity battle as much if Pikachu battled at Regice level there? Would you have enjoyed the Ash vs Paul rivalry climax battle as much if Pikachu battled at Latios level there, would it have been as intense of a battle it was then?
It's about common sense why Pikachu has to suffer from the inconsistency it does.
I don't watch sun and moon and don't ever plan to.
That's fine, but just because you don't watch SM, it doesn't invalidate Pikachu's feats and the amazing consistency it has displayed in that saga and how strong it has become with some insanely powerful Z-moves. The feats Pikachu has displayed in SM is included in Pikachu's overall body of work, so if you haven't watched the SM saga, you really aren't in a position to make any claims about Pikachu's overall strength, sorry.
You can just watch Pikachu's battles in the SM saga in isolation anyway before making an overall estimate about Pikachu's strength.
