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Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Whether or not it's a mental disease, or it's a natural fetish or what have you, it's still not remotely ethical to allow pedophilia. Children are too young to understand or enjoy sex, that's why they can't legally consent.
 

cascadethewarrior

~Ðiva and Lucariϕ~
In my opinion if no one is being forced and is aware of what they are doing and the consent is mutual then I personally don't see a problem with it. But what do I know I'm just only 16 year old who never dated before. :/
 
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THRILLHO

nothin' at all
And also couldn't we also apply the Rape desire to pedophilia as well? That some people may have sexual desires toward children, but only act it on it because they know they can dominate them? Because I doubt there are too many children out there that would consent to sex.

you are basically saying "only some of the children are getting raped by pedos, it's ok". do you not see a problem with this? also, there are 0 children who can consent to sex and know what they're getting themselves into. pedophile apologists confuse the hell out of me, what are you trying to achieve by arguing in favour of abusing people under 16 years old (don't even try to call this ephebophilia it just makes you look worse, they are still children)? there is no positive spin possible on the sexualisation of children. whether it be child porn, child porn production, real life sexual abuse/rape, there are no positive aspects to pedophilia (and how the hell is it even remotely comparable to sexuality you bigoted fuck, gay people aren't destroying lives). the only right thing a pedophile can do is go and see all the therapists they can to try and get the serious help they need.

god this sort of crap makes me angry. you are a toxic person and i hope you come to your sens- oh god you are 27 what even i assumed you were like 15
please stop attempting to justify pedophilia. it is an objectively bad thing. you are a bad person for attempting to (and failing) justify it.
 

THRILLHO

nothin' at all
because pedophilia is dangerous, homosexuality is not????????
 

THRILLHO

nothin' at all
What I'm asking is would the therapy even do anything? It's not like therapy has stopped gay people from being gay.

it wouldn't cure them or anything, but would be better than sitting around like "welp guess i'm a pedohpile *opens deep web*"
i imagine they teach suppression, or something. i don't know.
 

SugarFreeJazz

not present
I didn't mean that being a Muslim physically causes you to like children, which is what I think you understood me to say. My point was that given two societies, let's say society A and society B, both societies have the same amount of pedophiles. Society A discourages pedophilia. Society B idealizes a pedophile, and child marriage is a common and excepted thing. The instances of pedophilia would be a metric ton more frequent in the society that is OK with pedophilia. That was my point. In the Islamic world, child marriage (forced usually) is a frequent occurance. Such as this instance. On top of that, the prophet Mohammed was a pedophile. So in an Islamic society, a pedophile would be able to engage in sexual acts with a child without as much traction.

I don't know why I even responded to your post, since you resorted to petty insults.

I actually wasn't referring to you when I said "you", so I apologize for the misunderstanding. That "you" was referring to people in general.

Also, frequent occurrence =/= OK, even if it is a common practice in the society. And given that the majority of countries with Islam recognized as the state religion are theocratic authoritarian governments, it's not entirely fair to say that the religion of Islam (at least modern Islam) advocates for pedophilia. It is the government, rather, that is a piece of ****.
 

CSolarstorm

New spicy version
What I'm asking is would the therapy even do anything? It's not like therapy has stopped gay people from being gay.

I've said it over and over that pedophiles are urged to get help from psychologists to balance being themselves and stay within the law, not to somehow get rid of their pedophilia. In fact learning to live with it actually empowers them to manage their sexuality and their personal culture just like gay people. Wouldn't you want help if you had to lead a life of celibacy?

I bet they used to do the same techniques on gay people.

Not exactly, because with anti-homosexuality therapy, the point was to change their identity. With pedophilia, psychologists don't care about their identity or what their preferences are, just about helping them to cope with never having their sort of sex.

Please drop the random comparisons to homosexuality unless you've actually thought it out.
 
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Kaiserin

please wake up...
What I'm asking is would the therapy even do anything? It's not like therapy has stopped gay people from being gay.

I'd wager that most of the therapists who try to "cure" gays of their homosexuality are more motivated by religion and/or other shallow bigotry than actual psychology. I'm pretty sure most of the therapists who advertise that they can help gays stop being gay don't employ the same tactics any other therapist would, anyway.

it wouldn't cure them or anything, but would be better than sitting around like "welp guess i'm a pedohpile *opens deep web*"
i imagine they teach suppression, or something. i don't know.

Suppression would be the opposite of what a good therapist would tell someone to do, because that's basically going back to what they'd do without the therapist anyway. They'd try to get them to channel the impulses to something more constructive (or that wouldn't get them arrested), and help that person keep it in perspective, since it's not easy to just get someone to stop having a fetish. It is, as I said about, about the same as trying to get someone to stop being gay... how about that, huh?

At what age do people acquire the ability to enjoy sex?

Define "enjoy". Kids start exploring their sexuality at a very young age, although they don't understand the gravity or have the hormones behind that exploration until puberty. There's a reason a lot of kids who get molested at young ages, even if they don't realize it or supposedly consent to it, wind up varying degrees of ****ed up anytime from immediately after the abuser is removed to years into their adulthood.
 

Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
After further thinking about it, I don't think pedophilia is a sexual orientation. I think it's just something additional but seperate. Let's use me as an example. Say I was attracted to little girl. In a few years I wouldn't suddenly find her unattractive because she developed. That would only be the case if I was asexual or gay, but since I'm straight I would still find her attractive. Priests are only attracted to males before they reach puberty. Unless all those priests are secretly gay, this means that pedophilia is a fetish like being attracted to bread.

\Define "enjoy".

What's the youngest a person can have an orgasm?
 

Iceberg

A human
It's no more a mental disorder than homosexuality is, which it isn't. The rest of your post is based on the assumption that it is a mental disorder. How can you even say that only a small sliver of pedophiles never acted on their urges? That must mean that you know how many pedophiles there are in the world. Being a pedophile in America is like being a homosexual in Iran, you don't share it with everybody.

Pedophilia is a mental disorder because it is the desire to hurt someone, may that be mentally or physically. Saying homosexuality is a disorder would be like saying being solely attracted to blond people or brown eyed people is a disorder; it is just who you are attracted too.

Are you actually contending that pedophiles are victims? And that most are innocent? That is seriously disgusting. Even if a pedophile doesn't physically touch a child they will probably watch child porn. True there might be a small population of pedophiles that keep in under control. I guess that one's that cannot could always move to Saudi Arabia or another throw-back country where raping, sorry I meant marrying, little girls is OK.

Why do you feel the need to defend pedophiles? They aren't victims and are of the worst scum of society.

SugarFreeJazz said:
I actually wasn't referring to you when I said "you", so I apologize for the misunderstanding. That "you" was referring to people in general.

Also, frequent occurrence =/= OK, even if it is a common practice in the society. And given that the majority of countries with Islam recognized as the state religion are theocratic authoritarian governments, it's not entirely fair to say that the religion of Islam (at least modern Islam) advocates for pedophilia. It is the government, rather, that is a piece of ****.

I know what you mean. While the Quran does mention some questionable practices, and Mohammed was a pedophile, most moderate Muslims don't agree with those things. Just like how the Bible says some pretty crazy things (like how it is okay to sell your daughter/wearing mixed fabrics is sinful) but most moderate Christians ignore those. It is only the radical Islamists (who seem to in an uncomfortably large amount of cases be calling the shots) who take Sharia very seriously and thus permit and practice pedophilia.
 
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Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
Why do you feel the need to defend pedophiles? They aren't victims and are of the worst scum of society.

Are you confusing pedophiles with child molesters? Assuming you know the difference, why do you consider pedophiles to be the worst scum of society? It's not their fault who they are attracted to.
 

Iceberg

A human
Are you confusing pedophiles with child molesters? Assuming you know the difference, why do you consider pedophiles to be the worst scum of society? It's not their fault who they are attracted to.

Child Molesters are pedophiles. Since it would be irrational and uneducated to say that just because you have a strong sexual attraction to children doesn't mean you'll try anything. They are the worst scum of society because children are the most innocent and defenceless members of our population. Sexually violating them will scar them for life. And the child is completely defenceless to stop it.

It's not a psychopath's fault that they like to kill people, should we defend them too? By your logic we should. Since psychopathy is something you are born with, and like pedophilia it involves hurting others.

You still haven't answered my question, why are you defending people who want to sexually violate children?
 

CSolarstorm

New spicy version
Are you actually contending that pedophiles are victims? And that most are innocent? That is seriously disgusting. Even if a pedophile doesn't physically touch a child they will probably watch child porn. True there might be a small population of pedophiles that keep in under control. I guess that one's that cannot could always move to Saudi Arabia or another throw-back country where raping, sorry I meant marrying, little girls is OK.

Why do you feel the need to defend pedophiles? They aren't victims and are of the worst scum of society.

I disagree on one of those points: my guess is that most people that are honestly attracted to children don't actually act on their attraction. If it isn't most, I'd say it's pretty close to half. Those are the people that make this argument complex, because they suffer the stress of taking the blame for their active counterparts, making it less likely they will stick their neck out to get help, and more likely for them to either implode or explode under the pressure.

Then again, the DSM says their attracting must be causing trouble to be categorized as pedophilia, so it's possible that people a professional would call pedophiles is not the same as the people that marioguy is defending.
 
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Psychic

Really and truly
I do not understand why there is any comparison of pedophilia and homosexuality. Pedophilia is far more similar to bestiality. Both involve attraction to a being that doesn't have the same understanding and thus cannot consent to fulfilling the subject's desires. This is where I find the OP went wrong. Can we talk about this at all?



What's the youngest a person can have an orgasm?
Having an orgasm =/= enjoying sex. Some rapists will force their victim to orgasm, and then scream that this somehow means being raped was somehow enjoyable, and thus consensual, and thus totally acceptable. If I forced a foreign object up your anus until you reached orgasm, does that mean you enjoyed it and this I did nothing wrong?

~Psychic
 

Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
Child Molesters are pedophiles. Since it would be irrational and uneducated to say that just because you have a strong sexual attraction to children doesn't mean you'll try anything. They are the worst scum of society because children are the most innocent and defenceless members of our population. Sexually violating them will scar them for life. And the child is completely defenceless to stop it.

It's not a psychopath's fault that they like to kill people, should we defend them too? By your logic we should. Since psychopathy is something you are born with, and like pedophilia it involves hurting others.

You still haven't answered my question, why are you defending people who want to sexually violate children?
Your lack of reading comprehension is starting to annoy me. As I said before:
I really hate when people confused pedophile with child molester, because it's the same as confusing person with rapist.
Pedophilia by itself doesn't harm anyone. It's harmful only when it's acted upon. You seriously sound like those people who say that all men are lustful creatures of the night, and that women have to cover themselves to tame the savage beasts.

As for your question, why am I defending pedophiles? Perhaps I'm actually a pedophile who is getting pissed off for getting wrongly accused for being a child molester by ignorant people, or maybe I just wanted to play devil's advocate to see if the commonly perceived view is actually the right side. Is it both? Is it neither? Who knows?

Having an orgasm =/= enjoying sex. Some rapists will force their victim to orgasm, and then scream that this somehow means being raped was somehow enjoyable, and thus consensual, and thus totally acceptable. If I forced a foreign object up your anus until you reached orgasm, does that mean you enjoyed it and this I did nothing wrong?

~Psychic
That didn't really answer my question. I honestly thought having an orgasm and enjoying sex were the same thing. I wouldn't know. Thanks for signing your name in the bottom though.

~marioguy
 
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