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Manafi's Dream

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This has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is talking about adults having sex with children and is not related at all. Anyways, this shouldn't be legalized because kids probably don't understand the concept and are not aware of the full consequences of what can happen.

Just what exactly makes everyone think any self-respecting state legislature would legalize pedophilia? They'd have to be pretty high to pass such legislation and lose the votes of millions of parents in their state. Any news articles that hint at the legalization of pedophilia and tie it to the eventual success of homosexual marriage are obviously anti-gay marriage and are using a much less popular subject to derail any chances of gay marriage passing in the legislatures.
 

BigLutz

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Just what exactly makes everyone think any self-respecting state legislature would legalize pedophilia? They'd have to be pretty high to pass such legislation and lose the votes of millions of parents in their state. Any news articles that hint at the legalization of pedophilia and tie it to the eventual success of homosexual marriage are obviously anti-gay marriage and are using a much less popular subject to derail any chances of gay marriage passing in the legislatures.

Umm you do not need a state legislature to legalize it, you just need a court to okay it. If it required a state legislature there would be very few states that would have Gay Marriage right now. And if I remember a while back there was a Judge in.. like Italy or somewhere that agreed that Pedophile love between a older man and a young girl was considered true love. Cant remember where though since it was like 6 years ago.
 

Manafi's Dream

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Umm you do not need a state legislature to legalize it, you just need a court to okay it. If it required a state legislature there would be very few states that would have Gay Marriage right now. And if I remember a while back there was a Judge in.. like Italy or somewhere that agreed that Pedophile love between a older man and a young girl was considered true love. Cant remember where though since it was like 6 years ago.

Yeah, cuz we're definitely gonna think the same way as the Italians.

Even if a court ok'd it, it would never pass in the Supreme Court. I know the Court wants to embrace popular opinion and adopt more modern styles of deciding cases, but there's just no chance this will ever happen. Any case where pedophilia being ok'd will without a doubt be appealed to higher courts and be killed.
 

Malanu

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Yeah, cuz we're definitely gonna think the same way as the Italians.

Even if a court ok'd it, it would never pass in the Supreme Court. I know the Court wants to embrace popular opinion and adopt more modern styles of deciding cases, but there's just no chance this will ever happen. Any case where pedophilia being ok'd will without a doubt be appealed to higher courts and be killed.
Why wouldn't we? My (Adoptive) dad is Italian decent! As is a large potion of this nation.
 

VIA

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My dads best friend for many years was gay and in serving time in jail now for child pornography. Its undoubtedly there are more pedophiles who are men or gay men vs woman or lesbians. We need to keep tabs on pedophiles. The "friend" of my dads worked dangerously close with children. He ran camps was a teacher in a music school and was a babysitter. He was smart a good musician and funny but you never know somebody until you find out everything about them... EVERYTHING. I never know what he would do if he weren't caught but its not nice to think about it and all the times he offered to babysit me when I was an infant.

EDIT: Most of the kids in the child porn were missing kids. Others were unidentified and presumed missing. I have a brother who's 15 you know what he wants to do? Um, get it on with the girls in his grade. You know what he doesn't want to do? Have sex with older men or woman. He has a gay friend. You know what that gay friend wants to do? Get a nice boyfriend and live a normal life. You know what he doesn't want to do? You can probably guess but its not having sex with older men.
 
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Manafi's Dream

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Why wouldn't we? My (Adoptive) dad is Italian decent! As is a large potion of this nation.

He's of Italian descent, but he's not Italian-born? If so, it's unlikely that he'll have matching opinions with native Italians if he grew up in America. But this is off-topic.
 

Ausgirl

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Ok I'm assuming you're male right? well anyway just a question, but I am assuming you've masturbated before, did you only feel good upon ejaculation or did the act feel good during? Just a simple question because from there you can assume, yes you, I already know, that during sexual intercourse you do feel pleasure, just because you never reached climax does not mean the act wasn't enjoyable, sex is about mutual pleasure and that in itself can make the act even more pleasurable especially when your partner is enjoying his or her self, of course I am not sure if a woman feels the same way because I'm not one, but from personal experience they enjoyed themselves or... they were pretty damn good at faking 0.o

Seriously, what does masturbation have to do with pedophilia?

Yeah, cuz we're definitely gonna think the same way as the Italians.

Even if a court ok'd it, it would never pass in the Supreme Court. I know the Court wants to embrace popular opinion and adopt more modern styles of deciding cases, but there's just no chance this will ever happen. Any case where pedophilia being ok'd will without a doubt be appealed to higher courts and be killed.

Just cos one Italian man thinks it's OK, we shouldn't assume that everyone in Italy thinks like that.

My dads best friend for many years was gay and in serving time in jail now for child pornography. Its undoubtedly there are more pedophiles who are men or gay men vs woman or lesbians. We need to keep tabs on pedophiles. The "friend" of my dads worked dangerously close with children. He ran camps was a teacher in a music school and was a babysitter. He was smart a good musician and funny but you never know somebody until you find out everything about them... EVERYTHING. I never know what he would do if he weren't caught but its not nice to think about it and all the times he offered to babysit me when I was an infant.

EDIT: Most of the kids in the child porn were missing kids. Others were unidentified and presumed missing. I have a brother who's 15 you know what he wants to do? Um, get it on with the girls in his grade. You know what he doesn't want to do? Have sex with older men or woman. He has a gay friend. You know what that gay friend wants to do? Get a nice boyfriend and live a normal life. You know what he doesn't want to do? You can probably guess but its not having sex with older men.

Tbh I think that the press just like to focus more on the incidents which involve gay male pedophiles attacking young boys, like priests and teachers... in general people who are in a position of trust. Given that homosexuals are marginalized in society, there are probably way more incidents involving straight male pedophiles attacking young girls than gay male pedophiles attacking young boys.
 
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Soldierer

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It's not impossible pedophilia will some day be accepted. I think it's unfair to say as a blanket statement anyone under the arbitrarily determined age of consent is incapable of giving fully reasoned consent. I understand that it's safer to set the age of consent too high rather than too low, but I think as we gain greater understanding about consent and who understands what, popular opinion will shift in favor of a lower age of consent. You can say that it will never happen as much as you want, but in the 70s you would have said that about homosexuality and in the 50s about interracial marriage. I know pedophilia is much different from homosexuality and interracial relationships and you can't understand what would ever make society accept pedophilia, but in the age of scientific racism and homosexuality being labeled a mental disorder people couldn't have understood how interracial relationships and homosexuality would ever be accepted. I have no doubt that pedophilia will, within my lifetime, go the way of interracial relationships towards greater acceptance by younger and more liberal populations.
 

VIA

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It's not impossible pedophilia will some day be accepted. I think it's unfair to say as a blanket statement anyone under the arbitrarily determined age of consent is incapable of giving fully reasoned consent. I understand that it's safer to set the age of consent too high rather than too low, but I think as we gain greater understanding about consent and who understands what, popular opinion will shift in favor of a lower age of consent. You can say that it will never happen as much as you want, but in the 70s you would have said that about homosexuality and in the 50s about interracial marriage. I know pedophilia is much different from homosexuality and interracial relationships and you can't understand what would ever make society accept pedophilia, but in the age of scientific racism and homosexuality being labeled a mental disorder people couldn't have understood how interracial relationships and homosexuality would ever be accepted. I have no doubt that pedophilia will, within my lifetime, go the way of interracial relationships towards greater acceptance by younger and more liberal populations.

Theres a difference. The kids showing up in child porn are stolen shipped over seas and shot up with heroin to make sure that they never leave their sex buddies. Homosexuality was demonized because of the bible. Interacial marriage was a built up long conflict because the white people thought they owned the place. This is people getting kidnapped. You find me 10 million kids who wanna have sex and be with their older sexual presence because thats what it would take to make a bill like this legal.
 

Soldierer

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Theres a difference. The kids showing up in child porn are stolen shipped over seas and shot up with heroin to make sure that they never leave their sex buddies. Homosexuality was demonized because of the bible. Interacial marriage was a built up long conflict because the white people thought they owned the place. This is people getting kidnapped. You find me 10 million kids who wanna have sex and be with their older sexual presence because thats what it would take to make a bill like this legal.

It attracts the worst elements because it is a black market. That isn't an indication that pedophilia is an inherent evil. If your problem with the child porn industry is that children are kidnapped and forced into it would you support it if it was consensual and well-regulated? Or putting the issue of porn aside would you support a consensual and non-pornograpic relationship between an adult and a child?
 

Peter Quill

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My dads best friend for many years was gay and in serving time in jail now for child pornography.

That would just make him a pedophile wouldn't it? I don't see how bringing about his sexual orientation is really relevant to the story.

Tbh I think that the press just like to focus more on the incidents which involve gay male pedophiles attacking young boys, like priests and teachers... in general people who are in a position of trust. Given that homosexuals are marginalized in society, there are probably way more incidents involving straight male pedophiles attacking young girls than gay male pedophiles attacking young boys.

You're probably right regarding what the press likes to cover, but when you think about it there's no distinction between a "gay" or a "straight" pedophile. To be a pedophile you need to be sexually attracted to children. There's no gay/straight involved. It's just... who you choose I guess. I don't claim to know any pedophiles but I imagine it would be a connection to a certain kid most of the time (like victims of sexual assault. It's most likely done by someone the child knows). What we see as "gay" and "straight" is defined by two consensual partners who have an understanding of their own sexual boundaries and limitations. So you need to be two adults (or at least have a good idea of concious sexual decision) to be in straight or gay relationship. A child can't really be counted in these relationships because of that. So there is no straight/gay when it comes to pedophilia. It simply makes you a pedophile.
 

Psychic

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My dads best friend for many years was gay and in serving time in jail now for child pornography. Its undoubtedly there are more pedophiles who are men or gay men vs woman or lesbians.
Pedophiles are just pedophiles, there is no "straight" vs "gay" pedophile. If you go for children, no matter their gender, race, ethnicity, relation, you are a pedophile. And the term isn't limited, either - a pedophile can likewise be of any gender, sexuality, race, religion, whatever. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation - it's a fetish, the same way being attracted to animals is a fetish. Just because a male prefers female animals does not make him a "straight zoophiliac."


It attracts the worst elements because it is a black market. That isn't an indication that pedophilia is an inherent evil. If your problem with the child porn industry is that children are kidnapped and forced into it would you support it if it was consensual and well-regulated? Or putting the issue of porn aside would you support a consensual and non-pornograpic relationship between an adult and a child?
I think everyone's problem with children having sex is that most normal kids don't have sex, aren't the least bit interested in sex, and don't have any sexual desires. There is little reason for a child to sudden;y become interested in sex, especially before puberty. It's a simple matter of biology; even when it was the norm for 14-year-olds to marry, you didn't have 12-year-olds running around psyched to engage in sexual activity, because that's not how their bodies or brains work.

Why do kids have sex? Almost always because they were coerced into it one way or another by someone who knows more than they do and is in some position of power over the child. Why? Because kids don't know what sex is, they cannot fully understand the complexities or implications of it, cannot make important decisions regarding sex, and thus they cannot give consent. A child engaging in sexual activity is almost always a warning sign that something is horribly, horribly wrong, and that the child needs help.

This isn't up for debate - it's biology that kids, especially kids who have yet to hit maturity, are not only unable to make decisions for themselves, but they don't even have a basic sex drive. If you wish to argue otherwise, we will need to see some hard evidence. The burden of proof is on you.


~Psychic
 
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Ausgirl

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You're probably right regarding what the press likes to cover, but when you think about it there's no distinction between a "gay" or a "straight" pedophile. To be a pedophile you need to be sexually attracted to children. There's no gay/straight involved. It's just... who you choose I guess. I don't claim to know any pedophiles but I imagine it would be a connection to a certain kid most of the time (like victims of sexual assault. It's most likely done by someone the child knows). What we see as "gay" and "straight" is defined by two consensual partners who have an understanding of their own sexual boundaries and limitations. So you need to be two adults (or at least have a good idea of concious sexual decision) to be in straight or gay relationship. A child can't really be counted in these relationships because of that. So there is no straight/gay when it comes to pedophilia. It simply makes you a pedophile.

Pedophiles usually stick to one sex, boys or girls. Just because the victim is a child doesn't mean that they are without sex. We're all assigned a certain sex from the moment of being conceived... it's not something which becomes apparent at a certain age. However it's true that most children usually know the pedophiles. That's how pedophiles gain the children's trust. There's no rule which says that both individuals have to be adults, in order for one or both to be gay. And just to make it clear, even if the adult in the attack is gay and attacks a young boy that doesn't in the slightest way make the boy also gay, because he didn't give consent.
 

Peter Quill

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Pedophiles usually stick to one sex, boys or girls. Just because the victim is a child doesn't mean that they are without sex. We're all assigned a certain sex from the moment of being conceived... it's not something which becomes apparent at a certain age. However it's true that most children usually know the pedophiles. That's how pedophiles gain the children's trust. There's no rule which says that both individuals have to be adults, in order for one or both to be gay. And just to make it clear, even if the adult in the attack is gay and attacks a young boy that doesn't in the slightest way make the boy also gay, because he didn't give consent.

I'm completely aware of it. However, lumping together a pedophile with the sexualities of gay and straight is ridiculous because it doesn't matter what gender of child they will be preying after. It will make them a pedophile either way. That's why I say it's impossible to be a gay/straight pedophile. It's just simply being a pedophile.

And yes, to be gay you have to be attracted to an adult or teenager (or in general, someone who has some sort of sexual advancement) of the same gender. The gender of the child doesn't matter. They are still a child. It's the same for being straight. I can't stand people lumping in sexual orientation with pedophilia. They're different.
 

Ausgirl

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I'm completely aware of it. However, lumping together a pedophile with the sexualities of gay and straight is ridiculous because it doesn't matter what gender of child they will be preying after. It will make them a pedophile either way. That's why I say it's impossible to be a gay/straight pedophile. It's just simply being a pedophile.

And yes, to be gay you have to be attracted to an adult or teenager (or in general, someone who has some sort of sexual advancement) of the same gender. The gender of the child doesn't matter. They are still a child. It's the same for being straight. I can't stand people lumping in sexual orientation with pedophilia. They're different.

But by saying that there's no such thing as being a straight/gay pedophile you are essentially saying that being a pedophile is just another sexual orientation, therefore what you just said is a contradictory statement.
 
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VIA

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But by saying that there's no such thing as being a straight/gay pedophile you are essentially saying that being a pedophile is just another sexual orientation, therefore what you just said is a contradictory statement.

There is such thing as a gay or straight pedophile. Pedophilia is a mental disorder and the man or womans sexual preference determines what gender of child they prefer.
I have yet to meet a kid who wants to have sex with older men and the ones that do wanna have sex( 16&P and all that stuff) usually they want to with kids of their own age. Ive seen one girl on a talk show(I forgot which one it was) where a girl who was 15 was voluntarily having sex with many guys some of which were 21 because she wanted to have a baby but you didn't have to watch her long to realize she had some very serious mental problems. Pedophilia will never be legalized and if it were every single parent in the entire country and the next one over along with many, many kids would be protesting their hearts out probably for days.
 

Manafi's Dream

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Just cos one Italian man thinks it's OK, we shouldn't assume that everyone in Italy thinks like that.

Seriously, I didn't mean to imply that. I actually made my speculation in the top post on this page, but it got buried under an off-topic discussion on Italians, and I'd prefer you respond to something I actually took seriously, not some discussion about the way Italians think.

If your problem with the child porn industry is that children are kidnapped and forced into it would you support it if it was consensual and well-regulated? Or putting the issue of porn aside would you support a consensual and non-pornograpic relationship between an adult and a child?

That would be so wrong on so many, many, many levels. Children could never give the same kind of consent as adults do, because they are not mature enough to understand the nature of a sexual relationship. What the pedophile would take for consensual would be a kid saying they'd kiss them or hug them if they got a cookie from the pedophile (just an example, but do you see what I'm saying?). Again, you'd have to be crazy to think that the majority of Americans, who are likely married couples with children or single parents with children would ever let something like pedophilia become legal. Even the younger voting generation would think it'd be completely bonkers to suggest new legislation legalizing pedophilia. Don't let the press put these ideas in your head, because they're about as impossible as the Loch Ness Monster.
 

Peter Quill

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But by saying that there's no such thing as being a straight/gay pedophile you are essentially saying that being a pedophile is just another sexual orientation, therefore what you just said is a contradictory statement.

Not really. I was saying it was a sexual fetish which its defining characteristic is the involvement of pre-pubescent children. That is all that is needed to define it, so using our values of healthy relationships such as homosexual and heterosexual ones shouldn't be grouped together. Please don't twist my words and misrepresent me.

There is such thing as a gay or straight pedophile. Pedophilia is a mental disorder and the man or womans sexual preference determines what gender of child they prefer.

I really don't see why you guys are so intent on shoving in normal, healthy relationships with that of a mental disorder. It seems ridiculous and unnecessary.
 

Pokeshippers

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Not really. I was saying it was a sexual fetish which its defining characteristic is the involvement of pre-pubescent children. That is all that is needed to define it, so using our values of healthy relationships such as homosexual and heterosexual ones shouldn't be grouped together. Please don't twist my words and misrepresent me.



I really don't see why you guys are so intent on shoving in normal, healthy relationships with that of a mental disorder. It seems ridiculous and unnecessary.

By how you've replied it sounds like you think VIA is calling homosexuality a mental disorder. If so he's actually referring to Pedophillia, which in general means you don't particularly fancy any gender, you like them because they are children, before they've developed any secondary sex characteristics, their preference for children is the mental disorder, not the fact that they pick any gender.

Homosexuality and Pedophillia is different, just because you like little boys and you're a male does not make you homosexual, it makes you a pedophile, a man who loves other men, or teenager males is gay that isn't a mental disorder, same goes for women of course. Gender doesn't matter to a pedophile, that doesn't mean anyone would believe the 'homosexuality' side of it is mental illness.

If I am wrong completely and you thought this then I apologize, I was just trying to clear something up.
 

Soldierer

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By how you've replied it sounds like you think VIA is calling homosexuality a mental disorder. If so he's actually referring to Pedophillia, which in general means you don't particularly fancy any gender, you like them because they are children, before they've developed any secondary sex characteristics, their preference for children is the mental disorder, not the fact that they pick any gender.

Homosexuality and Pedophillia is different, just because you like little boys and you're a male does not make you homosexual, it makes you a pedophile, a man who loves other men, or teenager males is gay that isn't a mental disorder, same goes for women of course. Gender doesn't matter to a pedophile, that doesn't mean anyone would believe the 'homosexuality' side of it is mental illness.

If I am wrong completely and you thought this then I apologize, I was just trying to clear something up.

What is it that makes pedophilia a mental disorder? I'm genuinely curious. I've heard pedophilia described as a mental disorder before but never in a way that makes it seems like anything other than a way to demonize pedophilia. Why is it a mental disorder more than any other uncommon sexuality?
 
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