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Permenently Disabled Adults.

Kaiserin

please wake up...
Moving on, the should recieve benfits. Someone said on this forums (maybe in this thread) that their benefits were taken when they got a full/part time job. I think this is harsh. Being permantly disabled will most likely hold you back from a large ammount of careers so they may need their benefits after they get a job.

Actually, I think it's more that the benefits get taken when the person's income outside of it are more than a certain amount. For example, I think I was told I can work a part-time job under a certain per-month or per-week salary, but if I go over, I don't get the benefits anymore. It's a low number, whatever it is, so it's still equally problematic.

Also a carer should visit them at least once a week.

Depends what the disorder is. For anything outside of a physical or very severe mental/neurological disability, I'm not sure this is necessary, especially when the government/someone else would have to hire someone specifically for that purpose. They probably wouldn't think it was worthwhile.
 

JDavidC

Banned
Right, for the record, I am an adult with a permanent disability, Autism (the high-functioning kind). I also have other issues to deal with.
1) Should parents have the right to force a permenently disabled Adult who cannot fend for themselves to leave the home? (live on their own)

There are many families who do this to their Son/Daughter.

If a disabled Adult is mentally nor medically able to live on their own, they could run into major problems trying to live by themselves. If they have medical problems that they need everyday care that they cannot provide themselves, this would be an issue if they tried to live on their own.

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No, this would be downright cruel, and may effectively be a death sentence in many cases. Getting them support from an organisation who can deal with disabled people, who may take care of the disabled person after their parents die, however, is a better alternative.

2) Should Parents who are appointed advocates have the (legal) right to force a permenently disabled Adult to do absolutely everything on their own, when it is made clear they cannot?

If a Disabled Adult has no capability to access transportation, do their own Taxes, nor finances; they will be unable to pay their bills, nor provide for themselves.

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No, they would be guilty of negligence in their duties as guardians to the disabled person.

3) Are the current laws/right pertaining to abuse on Disabled people enough?
I'm from the UK, so I don't know what the US laws are like.

4) Are social disabilities completely misunderstood? Could anything bad happening to SSDI (Social Security Disability) cause major devestation to the disabled population?

Many Disabled Adults can never get a job, or no longer are able to keep a job. They rely on SSD to survive their daily lives. They could end up homeless and starving because of this.

There are debates going on as to whether SSD is legal or not, and whether it should eventually be shut down.

There are misunderstandings when it comes to disabilities such as Autism and Asperger's Syndrome, where many feel that they are undeserving of getting Government Assistance because it is not a medical disability to them.
Again, not from the US. However, a lot of disabled people may also have strengths that most people do not have, and it's a matter of getting them support so they get put into jobs where they excel. For me, computer programming is what I do well.

As for Autism/AS not being a medical disability to them, they are woefully mistaken. Trust me when I say Autism is VERY severe. It gives you a lot of weaknesses you have to deal with, but at least you get some strengths to help compensate.

Moving on to other issues, freak shows are something that should only be done by people who are fully aware of what is involved, and are willing to be a part of it entirely of their own free will, with no coercion. I'd like to add that many disabled people still have a lot to offer as far as getting a job is concerned, if people would spend less time focusing on the disability, and more time focusing on the person with the disability, and what they CAN do.

Furthermore, people, disabled or not, provide happiness/love etc to family and others, so for that reason alone, disabled people are NEVER a waste of resources. Lots of people that are disabled didn't get to choose whether or not to be disabled, they have enough to deal with, without people trying to dehumanise them or suggesting that they're a burden. Underneath the disability is a person, just like you, not some subhuman animal. The last thing they need is people making their situation even worse.
 
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Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
Welcome to the show JDC. I think you defended your point quite admirably. Welcome to the show... since this is the first time I have seen a post from you here. :D
 

Arceusdude222

Reshiram, anyone?
JDC, you put that better than I ever could, as I have said, I have Aspbergers, and as you so rightly said, I have some issues I have to live with. some people without a major disability would not have.

And like you, I excel with Computer Sciences. just because a person has Aspbergers, does not mean they are any less a person, as I have read on an Autism site, If you hate Autism/Aspbergers, you hate an Autistic person. that does not mean you hate the person as a whole, but a part of the person that cannot be separated from them, Autism/Aspbergers is something a person with it is born with, and cannot be fixed, they live with it their whole life.
 

cmitch25

Well-Known Member
I've been living with DMD all my life and it makes life harder for me than most people could ever possibly imagine. Seeing my body get weaker has been difficult for me but, I fight my disability as much as I can and look past my problems. Sitting and dwelling about my disease is just going to make depressed and feel worthless. I try my best to distract myself from my weakness by looking at what I can do rather than what I can't. I'm very mentally inclined and I'm planning to start college this fall to hopefully make something of myself and hopefully meet new people and make friends. I would just like to live the life I was given to the best of my abilities.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
The disable have to become determine to live for themselves. Even people who aren't disable have trouble finding jobs and putting food on the table. I will not treat a disable person any difference than a person who is not disable.
 

CSolarstorm

New spicy version
The disable have to become determine to live for themselves. Even people who aren't disable have trouble finding jobs and putting food on the table. I will not treat a disable person any difference than a person who is not disable.

Well for the most part, we disabled people don't want to be treated differently any more than you want to treat us differently. It's impossible not to treat us differently at all, because realistically we have more needs, and that translates into having more stress and more pressure.

It's also a bit of a lapse in reasoning to say that disabled people must be 'determined' to live for themselves, because if they are unable to, no amount of 'determination' will change that. It's just a fact that we will probably not be be able to provide everyday labor that we need to support ourselves, or for the developmentally disabled, the social skills, the organizational, emotional, and perhaps and mental prowess needed. People can achieve great things with a little determination, but even miracles come in reasonable parameters.
 
The disable have to become determine to live for themselves. Even people who aren't disable have trouble finding jobs and putting food on the table. I will not treat a disable person any difference than a person who is not disable.
I cannot believe your unbridled, unashamed insensitivity. Who on earth are you, with your whole body, able to get up and get a job on your own, to tell some poor girl with autism or downs syndrome that she doesn't deserve a helping hand because of the unlucky lot that fate gave her. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
I cannot believe your unbridled, unashamed insensitivity. Who on earth are you, with your whole body, able to get up and get a job on your own, to tell some poor girl with autism or downs syndrome that she doesn't deserve a helping hand because of the unlucky lot that fate gave her. You should be ashamed of yourself.

All I hear is blah blah blah. I can care less if a girl who is a complete stranger to me is disable or down on her luck. She better get strong very quick and very fast or she be left behind. The world have over 7 billions people. I stick to the people I know.
 
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CSolarstorm

New spicy version
All I hear is blah blah blah. I can care less if a girl who is a complete stranger to me is disable or down on her luck. She better get strong very quick and very fast or she be left behind. The world have over 7 billions people. I stick to the people I know.

Looks like we've got another Social Darwinist. Shame, I thought people had grown out of that. Hopefully when you are disabled, the people you know will still be there, and you won't have to rely on any 'complete strangers'.
 
All I hear is blah blah blah. I can care less if a girl who is a complete stranger to me is disable or down on her luck. She better get strong very quick and very fast or she be left behind. The world have over 7 billions people. I stick to the people I know.
I bet anything that if you were involved in a catastrophic car accident and left disabled you wouldn't feel the same way about disabled people. I'm amazed that you would so publicly reveal that you have no sympathy for those less fortunate than yourself.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
I bet anything that if you were involved in a catastrophic car accident and left disabled you wouldn't feel the same way about disabled people. I'm amazed that you would so publicly reveal that you have no sympathy for those less fortunate than yourself.

No, I don't feel any sympathy. You can bet or wish that any catastrophe happen to me or what. It doesn't change how I think.

Looks like we've got another Social Darwinist. Shame, I thought people had grown out of that. Hopefully when you are disabled, the people you know will still be there, and you won't have to rely on any 'complete strangers'.

So glad that people wish for me to be disable.
 

CSolarstorm

New spicy version
So glad that people wish for me to be disable.

Not exactly. Most people will be disabled in some way near the end of their life, and a majority even sooner if not just temporarily, so I just used that assumption to express my disappointment. Apparently it wouldn't matter to you what I think anyway since I'm a stranger.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
Not exactly. Most people will be disabled in some way near the end of their life, and a majority even sooner if not just temporarily, so I just used that assumption to express my disappointment. Apparently it wouldn't matter to you what I think anyway since I'm a stranger.

Yep. You are a complete stranger to me.
 

Kaiserin

please wake up...
Yep. You are a complete stranger to me.

Soooooooooo, was the entire point of you coming into this thread to actually debate, or was it to be an ***? I'm seeing a whole lot of the latter and not much of the former, myself.

I don't wish disability of any kind on anyone, because it is not pleasant no matter how mild your particular label may be, or how much help you get. While I don't think the idea of "do what you can for yourself" is bad in and of itself... leaving the disabled to fend for themselves and ultimately phase them out of the gene pool or whatever might as well be ****ing genocide the way you're pitching it.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
Soooooooooo, was the entire point of you coming into this thread to actually debate, or was it to be an ***? I'm seeing a whole lot of the latter and not much of the former, myself.

I don't wish disability of any kind on anyone, because it is not pleasant no matter how mild your particular label may be, or how much help you get. While I don't think the idea of "do what you can for yourself" is bad in and of itself... leaving the disabled to fend for themselves and ultimately phase them out of the gene pool or whatever might as well be ****ing genocide the way you're pitching it.

Why not? Let them fend for themselves. They are adults.
 

Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
I've been living with DMD all my life and it makes life harder for me than most people could ever possibly imagine. Seeing my body get weaker has been difficult for me but, I fight my disability as much as I can and look past my problems. Sitting and dwelling about my disease is just going to make depressed and feel worthless. I try my best to distract myself from my weakness by looking at what I can do rather than what I can't. I'm very mentally inclined and I'm planning to start college this fall to hopefully make something of myself and hopefully meet new people and make friends. I would just like to live the life I was given to the best of my abilities.
You are the person I think Diz is trying to refer to as "determined". He may be doing a bad job with diplomacy but there are lots of people out there who think like him.

The disable have to become determine to live for themselves. Even people who aren't disable have trouble finding jobs and putting food on the table. I will not treat a disable person any difference than a person who is not disable.
Your sentiment is a minority one, and the rage against it is to be expected Diz. But the question poses to you is a legitimate one. If you were to become disabled would you want to live and have support or be tossed to the side and left to fend for yourself? It's not so much wishing ill on you but hoping Karma finds you ready to life by your own beliefs.

I cannot believe your unbridled, unashamed insensitivity. Who on earth are you, with your whole body, able to get up and get a job on your own, to tell some poor girl with autism or downs syndrome that she doesn't deserve a helping hand because of the unlucky lot that fate gave her. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Should he be ashamed of having an opinion Mattj? He may not have the popular opinion but Why should he be ashamed of thinking for himself? I have quite a few beliefs that are "unpopular", but they are mine, and I will not be ashamed for having them. Even if the rest of the world thinks I am a heartless scumbag. Name calling does nothing but cause the wall of indifference to grow more resolute. Until it becomes a true bigotry. Meet an opposing perspective with diplomacy, you will find that the trench won't get deeper if there is nothing to resist. Diz is just thinking in terms of triage, "cut off the hand to save the arm". I can understand his position even if I cannot support it.

Looks like we've got another Social Darwinist. Shame, I thought people had grown out of that. Hopefully when you are disabled, the people you know will still be there, and you won't have to rely on any 'complete strangers'.
You could have just said, "May you live in interesting times." you know. ;)
 
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Diz~

Combat Specialist
Your sentiment is a minority one, and the rage against it is to be expected Diz. But the question poses to you is a legitimate one. If you were to become disabled would you want to live and have support or be tossed to the side and left to fend for yourself? It's not so much wishing ill on you but hoping Karma finds you ready to life by your own beliefs.

It not much as rage but giving choices to the person who is disable. Being disable doesn't mean they are helpless to help themselves. Ever heard the term "Give a man a fish, he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he can eat for a life time." I don't give sympathy, I give respect or disrespect.

Also, if karma come up to me, it come up to me. I probably gonna lose something one way or another. I know that for sure. I don't need sympathy, I got enough of that because of a disaster that happen in my city 7 years ago. I know for sure I don't want it.
 
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Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
Not asking if you were looking for sympathy but if you would be willing to live by your own belief. Sounds like you would, so I have no beef with your position.
 
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