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Permenently Disabled Adults.

Diz~

Combat Specialist
Not asking if you were looking for sympathy but if you would be willing to live by your own belief. Sounds like you would, so I have no beef with your position.

That basically the idea, so no argument from me.
 

CSolarstorm

New spicy version
You could have just said, "May you live in interesting times." you know. ;)

I could have, but the anti-accomodation people are the 1% of people I permit myself to be less characteristically nice to. I believe that eventual disability is an important part of self-growth, and that friends are for the most part superficial, and caretakers are mostly circumstancial and necessitated strangers until they become more real friends than we have when we are completely able-bodied. This is what I sincerely told Diz without the guise of being polite or nice about it like usual.
 

cmitch25

Well-Known Member
I am determined to do as much for myself as I possibly can. But, I know there are limits to my abilities and I will always need to rely on other people to get through life. No matter how much I want to fend for myself, I'll never be able to. I just need to accept that and move on and live with my disability.
 

Kaiserin

please wake up...
It not much as rage but giving choices to the person who is disable. Being disable doesn't mean they are helpless to help themselves. Ever heard the term "Give a man a fish, he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he can eat for a life time." I don't give sympathy, I give respect or disrespect.

Also, if karma come up to me, it come up to me. I probably gonna lose something one way or another. I know that for sure. I don't need sympathy, I got enough of that because of a disaster that happen in my city 7 years ago. I know for sure I don't want it.

See, bro, "leaving them to fend for themselves" and "giving them their own set of choices" are two completely different things, in case you were wondering why so many people were offended by your first few posts. The former I do not agree with, the latter I do.

There's kind of a fine line between knowing your limitations and trying not to push yourself too hard to avoid anything worse, and putting in effort to actively surpass those limitations, or at least extend them a bit.
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
See, bro, "leaving them to fend for themselves" and "giving them their own set of choices" are two completely different things, in case you were wondering why so many people were offended by your first few posts. The former I do not agree with, the latter I do.

There's kind of a fine line between knowing your limitations and trying not to push yourself too hard to avoid anything worse, and putting in effort to actively surpass those limitations, or at least extend them a bit.

It your belief. I can care less if people doesn't like my way of thinking. In order to be stronger, you have to over come obstacle. The disable are no different. Now that doesn't mean you can't help them over come those obstacle. People become stronger by helping each other. But giving people a life time of sympathy just because they can't stand on their own is an insult and if I was disable. I rather shoot myself before anyone feel sorry for my broke a**. At least I can pull the trigger without help. But so long I can still help myself, I can keep moving.
 
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Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
Just remember to overcome SOME obstacles we need help once in a while. So you cannot just abandon those who cannot fend for themselves. Your personal fortitude is admirable, but we all need help once and again. It would be a shame if we lost the mind of Steven Hawking because giving him aid was to much trouble.
 

CSolarstorm

New spicy version
It your belief. I can care less if people doesn't like my way of thinking. In order to be stronger, you have to over come obstacle. The disable are no different. Now that doesn't mean you can't help them over come those obstacle. People become stronger by helping each other. But giving people a life time of sympathy just because they can't stand on their own is an insult and if I was disable. I rather shoot myself before anyone feel sorry for my broke a**. At least I can pull the trigger without help. But so long I can still help myself, I can keep moving.

That's what we were talking about. Nobody here wants a lifetime of sympathy. Giving help doesn't necessarily mean giving sympathy. Last night I gave a speeh in front of a few hundred people, and I had to use a ramp to get on the stage, had to park next to the podium, and then even when I talked about what I learned in the class I included some of my experiences being handicapped. So there was definately help involved, but it was the opposite of sympathy. If all you're saying is that you don't want to experience sympathy, I understand that. I know plenty about determination.
 
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JDavidC

Well-Known Member
Basically, the fundamental difference between the way many disabled people would like to be treated, compared to those who are not, is for allowances to be made to accommodate the disabilities, to deal with obstacles they cannot deal with properly themselves. That is about as far as it goes for those people however. In every other way, they'd be looking for equal treatment with non-disabled people. That means they get to work hard at what they can do, like non-disabled people and so on.
 
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