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Pocket Monsters (2019) Pokémon Speculation Thread

ShadowForce720

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Facts lol. Most of Ash's Kalos team was pointless tbh.
Not really if we’re talking about most of Ash’s Kalos team they were very active in the gyms. Heck considering the only members that didn’t really have that many wins or participate in that many gym battles were Goodra and Noivern and that’s not really most of the Kalos team.

So to say that most of the Kalos team was pointless when more then half of the team were active and had good records is ridiculous.
 

Master Pikachu 11

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Wonder if they will pull another bait and switch but with the wolf duo this time?
How would they pull the bait and switch again, by using CoroCoro to make it look like Zamazenta with Ash and Zacian with Goh and then switch the wolves in the actual episodes to the appropriate trainer?
inb4 Zacian assists Ash in beating Leon and Zamazenta aids Goh in catching Mew.
That would actually be really interesting, but what would make the battle with Leon interesting is if he is the one that actually catches Eternatus, which then means Ash would then have to for sure catch Zacian to counter Leon. It make the battle interesting and would be something new that we haven’t really seen before.
 

ShadowForce720

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Considering it was literally just Greninja and Pikachu just hard-carrying the entire team for the rest of the series when Ash-Greninja unfortunately became a thing, I have to sadly agree.
While it’s true that Ash-Greninja got a lot of the attention in the last part of the series that doesn’t change the point that for a vast majority of the series Hawlucha and Talonflame we’re still relevant.

So no, Talonflame and Hawlucha were not pointless.
 

Master Pikachu 11

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Considering it was literally just Greninja and Pikachu just hard-carrying the entire team for the rest of the series when Ash-Greninja unfortunately became a thing, I have to sadly agree.
Only the dragons were pointless, Talonflame participated in almost every single gym battle except against Clemont and Hawlucha had a good portion of battles that it participated in as well.
 

Almighty Zard

He has returned.
I do look forward to seeing how the show portrays G-Farfetch'd's evolution into Sirfetch'd, considering it's one of the more "unique" evo's out there.

Edit: I agree, Hawlucha and Talonflame definitely pulled their weight on the kalos team, it was really only Goodra and Noivern that didn't really help out that much.

Sadly the "running with 4" trend didn't start with Kalos or Alola, Hoenn did it too considering Ash clearly didn't need Torkoal and Jason was caught late and only helped out in the league, the other four pretty much carried that region themselves, and yes Pikachu is counted as one of the "4"
 
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1rkhachatryan

Call me Robert guys
Not really if we’re talking about most of Ash’s Kalos team they were very active in the gyms. Heck considering the only members that didn’t really have that many wins or participate in that many gym battles were Goodra and Noivern and that’s not really most of the Kalos team.

So to say that most of the Kalos team was pointless when more then half of the team were active and had good records is ridiculous.
For me they were pointless. Kalos was the first region where I just really didn't care about more then half of Ash's team. Talonflame and Greninja were great but Hawlucha was just there, the dragons didn't do much of anything, and Pikachu was Pikachu.
 

LucarioFTWs

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For me they were pointless. Kalos was the first region where I just really didn't care about more then half of Ash's team. Talonflame and Greninja were great but Hawlucha was just there, the dragons didn't do much of anything, and Pikachu was Pikachu.
Greninja and Pikachu were hard carrying, Hawlucha and talonflame carried their weight, the other two were absolute grookey-dookey. However i would say noivern isn’t terrible as it got a fair share of battles especially since how late it was caught.
 

Master Pikachu 11

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Greninja and Pikachu were hard carrying, Hawlucha and talonflame carried their weight, the other two were absolute trash. However i would say noivern isn’t terrible as it got a fair share of battles especially since how late it was caught.
i don’t remember Noivern getting a fair share of battles as I hardly call 4 battles a fair share. It lost to Metang before the league and Weavile during the league both belonged to Alain. It did defeat Doublade, and tied with Salamance both belonged to Sawyer. It also didn’t get to participate in a single gym battle which I find to be an absolute travesty. So it’s treatment was not great at all which is sad because I really like Noivern as a Pokémon
 
Lol, AG, Talonflame, and Hawlucha had around the same # of battles(15-20). Why do people just hilariously make stuff up? Did people just forget XY in general? Froakie/Frogadier was used in two gym battles in before Olympia. Talonflame was in 7/8 gym battles. Hawlucha was in 5/8 in totality.

Man, the insanity here is just ludicrous.

Here's a convenient chart

- The orange line represents the average number of battles of each regional team
- For XY specifically, if it was done in a pie chart, the data would look like this:
  • Pikachu: 38.37% of the circle
  • Greninja: 21.20% of the circle
  • Talonflame: 19.18% of the circle
  • Hawlucha: 16.16% of the circle
  • Noivern: 5.5% of the circle
  • Goodra: 4.4% of the circle
If people want to complain about Noivern and Goodra, there's a case to be made there, especially with Noivern. In fact, Noivern was obviously not well-handled. I'd heavily disagree with you on Goodra since I happen to adore his arc, but there's still a debate there to be had.

What I didn't think there would be comments made that were as idiotic as the person who claimed Noivern was stronger than AG lmao.
 
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Mythical-Moonlight

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Goodra and Noivern may as well never had even been caught as far as I'm concerned. They should've just had Ash bring back Glalie and Heracross so he could use their Megas

Greninja and Pikachu were hard carrying, Hawlucha and talonflame carried their weight, the other two were absolute grookey-dookey. However i would say noivern isn’t terrible as it got a fair share of battles especially since how late it was caught.
"GROOKEY-DOOKEY"
 
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Sidagam

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Lol, AG, Talonflame, and Hawlucha had around the same # of battles(15-20). Why do people just hilariously make stuff up? Did people just forget XY in general? Froakie/Frogadier was used in two gym battles in before Olympia. Talonflame was in 7/8 gym battles. Hawlucha was in 5/8 in totality.

Man, the insanity here is just ludicrous.

Here's a convenient chart

- The orange line represents the average number of battles of each regional team
- For XY specifically, if it was done in a pie chart, the data would look like this:
  • Pikachu: 38.37% of the circle
  • Greninja: 21.20% of the circle
  • Talonflame: 19.18% of the circle
  • Hawlucha: 16.16% of the circle
  • Noivern: 5.5% of the circle
  • Goodra: 4.4% of the circle
If people want to complain about Noivern and Goodra, there's a case to be made there, especially with Noivern. In fact, Noivern was obviously not well-handled. I'd heavily disagree with you on Goodra since I happen to adore his arc, but there's still a debate there to be had.

What I didn't think there would be comments made that were as idiotic as the person who claimed Noivern was stronger than AG lmao.
Thank you for this. I find it so ridiculous that people will knock the likes of Talonflame and Hawlucha as jobbers, or even the Kalos team as a whole, even though the hard data proves completely otherwise. I'll never defend the handling of Noivern, Goodra had a great arc but was bought back for not a whole lot (can easily argue it's draw and loss in the league were incredibly justified), but man the team of Pikachu, Greninja, Talonflame and Hawlucha had great experience and put in work.

Also this illustrates well why the Kalos squad would beat the Alola squad. Pure experience
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
Facts lol. Most of Ash's Kalos team was pointless tbh.
Hawlucha wasn't
Goodra got robbed cause he was thrown away to avoid making Ash look OP, which was just ridiculous considering the Fairy and Ice gyms were left. His and Greninja's releases were just garbage, 'Oh an army is protecting the swamp! Goodra must stay to defend it!' '*Zygarde gets hyped up like it's a god* Zygarde needs help, why not stay and help it?'. Naganadel's was equally bad since there was the big deal about Ash being his family yet they sent it off for no good reason

Mostly, I'm just annoyed at the sheer overuse of Pikachu
Eh, not as bad as this saga's use of the rat. He was tolerable in the others
 

nickdt

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Lol, AG, Talonflame, and Hawlucha had around the same # of battles(15-20). Why do people just hilariously make stuff up? Did people just forget XY in general? Froakie/Frogadier was used in two gym battles in before Olympia. Talonflame was in 7/8 gym battles. Hawlucha was in 5/8 in totality.

Man, the insanity here is just ludicrous.

Here's a convenient chart

- The orange line represents the average number of battles of each regional team
- For XY specifically, if it was done in a pie chart, the data would look like this:
  • Pikachu: 38.37% of the circle
  • Greninja: 21.20% of the circle
  • Talonflame: 19.18% of the circle
  • Hawlucha: 16.16% of the circle
  • Noivern: 5.5% of the circle
  • Goodra: 4.4% of the circle
If people want to complain about Noivern and Goodra, there's a case to be made there, especially with Noivern. In fact, Noivern was obviously not well-handled. I'd heavily disagree with you on Goodra since I happen to adore his arc, but there's still a debate there to be had.

What I didn't think there would be comments made that were as idiotic as the person who claimed Noivern was stronger than AG lmao.
What the charts don't make clear, is if they are official battles or not (Considering official battles are only counted towards Win/Loss ratio, those are also the only battles who can make up a ratio of percentage battles and then Talonflame is way higher than Greninja).
 

dman_dustin

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Really hope the corocoro scans arent definitive, would seem dumb to give Goh Zacian and Ash Zamazenta when the other way around makes so much more sense
I know I don't know why they would be dumb to pair Zamazenta with Ash.

This fighting type favortism is starting to piss me off. Especially a legendary Lucario. I don't care about some weird mentorship between it and Lucario.
 

Master Pikachu 11

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Mostly, I'm just annoyed at the sheer overuse of Pikachu
Same the chart for this series is going to have Pikachu in the 90s by the time we are through unfortunately
I know I don't know why they would be dumb to pair Zamazenta with Ash.

This fighting type favortism is starting to piss me off. Especially a legendary Lucario. I don't care about some weird mentorship between it and Lucario.
PsychoLogical said in the post that the scan doesn’t mean that Ash is going to be paired with Zamazenta
 
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