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Pocket Monsters (2019) Pokémon Speculation Thread

AxelJade

Well-Known Member
So, I only ask because I'm watching Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battles as I type this, so I apologize if this has nothing to do with anything... Hypothetically, if Paul came back in a future episode, how would you guys want his character to be handled? Would you want him to be more obviously loosened up and softer so that it's more obvious that Ash had an impact? Would you guys want him to still have his standard "I don't associate with anyone and I'm a jerk about it" demeanor with his development being more subtle? Or would you want the anime to try and put some unique spin on Paul's personality that mixes both of those approaches?

I mean, either way, if Paul were to hypothetically come back, we all know the episode would be another "former rival of Ash assumes Goh is Ash's rival and not fit to be so, so Goh needs to prove himself" deal, so maybe it's for the best for Paul to never come back. I wouldn't that to be all he's used for. But I still can't help but wonder.
 

nickdt

Well-Known Member
So, I only ask because I'm watching Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battles as I type this, so I apologize if this has nothing to do with anything... Hypothetically, if Paul came back in a future episode, how would you guys want his character to be handled? Would you want him to be more obviously loosened up and softer so that it's more obvious that Ash had an impact? Would you guys want him to still have his standard "I don't associate with anyone and I'm a jerk about it" demeanor with his development being more subtle? Or would you want the anime to try and put some unique spin on Paul's personality that mixes both of those approaches?

I mean, either way, if Paul were to hypothetically come back, we all know the episode would be another "former rival of Ash assumes Goh is Ash's rival and not fit to be so, so Goh needs to prove himself" deal, so maybe it's for the best for Paul to never come back. I wouldn't that to be all he's used for. But I still can't help but wonder.

Imagine Paul scanning Gohs Pokemon and saying they are all weak.
 

AxelJade

Well-Known Member
Imagine Paul scanning Gohs Pokemon and saying they are all weak.
Weirdly enough, I'd rather not. Because Paul would have a point, and the show would undermine it. Goh doesn't focus on battling and training, so Paul would 100% be right that his Pokémon are weak (at least compared to Ash and Paul). But then a conflict would happen that lets Paul fight alongside Goh, and Paul would end the episode by treating Goh with respect, having somehow determined through that one conflict that Goh and his Pokémon aren't weak.

It'd be satisfying in the moment, but it'd immediately be undermined later.
 

DigitalTrainer

Well-Known Member
Now that someone has brought this up I need to ask: Is it possible that Goh's Pokemon have great battle potential but he just doesn't battle enough to let it flourish? Like how some Pokemon are more cut out for battle than others
 

DigitalTrainer

Well-Known Member
So, I only ask because I'm watching Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battles as I type this, so I apologize if this has nothing to do with anything... Hypothetically, if Paul came back in a future episode, how would you guys want his character to be handled? Would you want him to be more obviously loosened up and softer so that it's more obvious that Ash had an impact? Would you guys want him to still have his standard "I don't associate with anyone and I'm a jerk about it" demeanor with his development being more subtle? Or would you want the anime to try and put some unique spin on Paul's personality that mixes both of those approaches?

I mean, either way, if Paul were to hypothetically come back, we all know the episode would be another "former rival of Ash assumes Goh is Ash's rival and not fit to be so, so Goh needs to prove himself" deal, so maybe it's for the best for Paul to never come back. I wouldn't that to be all he's used for. But I still can't help but wonder.
Imagine Paul scanning Gohs Pokemon and saying they are all weak.
Weirdly enough, I'd rather not. Because Paul would have a point, and the show would undermine it. Goh doesn't focus on battling and training, so Paul would 100% be right that his Pokémon are weak (at least compared to Ash and Paul). But then a conflict would happen that lets Paul fight alongside Goh, and Paul would end the episode by treating Goh with respect, having somehow determined through that one conflict that Goh and his Pokémon aren't weak.

It'd be satisfying in the moment, but it'd immediately be undermined later.
You think Paul would react any different if he found out Goh has Eternatus and Suicune?
 

AxelJade

Well-Known Member
Now that someone has brought this up I need to ask: Is it possible that Goh's Pokemon have great battle potential but he just doesn't battle enough to let it flourish? Like how some Pokemon are more cut out for battle than others
I would think so. We know for a fact that, at the very least, Cinderace and Scizor have the potential. Aerodactyl and Flygon, definitely. Golurk, sure. The problem as I see it, though, is that Goh has so many Pokémon that we don't get to see often enough that it's impossible to say what Pokémon could or wouldn't have potential. Aside from the ones we've already seen Goh use in battle, of course.
 

AxelJade

Well-Known Member
You think Paul would react any different if he found out Goh has Eternatus and Suicune?
I mean, it depends.

If Ash boasted that Goh has them and Goh just held up his PokéDex to show Paul "see?! I'm a good Trainer! I totally am!", then I can see Paul insulting Suicune and Eternatus. "How pathetic. Any Legendary Pokémon that lets itself get caught by someone like you isn't fit to be a Legend."

If Suicune happened to be nearby, I see Paul locking eyes with it in a moment of connection before cockily challenging Goh to a battle to see how good Goh and Suicune are firsthand... And Paul winning due to his rougher battle style, any outside of the box battling he might have picked up from Ash, and Goh's choice to focus on captures over battles meaning he doesn't have Paul's sheer experience.
 

karanova-1

Mewtwo3214
I mean, it depends.

If Ash boasted that Goh has them and Goh just held up his PokéDex to show Paul "see?! I'm a good Trainer! I totally am!", then I can see Paul insulting Suicune and Eternatus. "How pathetic. Any Legendary Pokémon that lets itself get caught by someone like you isn't fit to be a Legend."

If Suicune happened to be nearby, I see Paul locking eyes with it in a moment of connection before cockily challenging Goh to a battle to see how good Goh and Suicune are firsthand... And Paul winning due to his rougher battle style, any outside of the box battling he might have picked up from Ash, and Goh's choice to focus on captures over battles meaning he doesn't have Paul's sheer experience.
I can see that happening this scenario is perfect atleast goh will learn from this lesson
 

Decidueye23

Well-Known Member
Now that someone has brought this up I need to ask: Is it possible that Goh's Pokemon have great battle potential but he just doesn't battle enough to let it flourish? Like how some Pokemon are more cut out for battle than others
Ash and Chimchar's whole point in DP was that, with the right kind of treatment and motivation no pokemon is weak. So i guess inherently every pokemon has great potential. Its just how a trainer chooses to raise it.
 

DigitalTrainer

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I would think so. We know for a fact that, at the very least, Cinderace and Scizor have the potential. Aerodactyl and Flygon, definitely. Golurk, sure. The problem as I see it, though, is that Goh has so many Pokémon that we don't get to see often enough that it's impossible to say what Pokémon could or wouldn't have potential. Aside from the ones we've already seen Goh use in battle, of course.
1. So should I see/interpret this as the writers handing the new Protag a bunch of stronger than normal Pokemon, that he has no business having? (Cinderace gets a pass)

2. Could any of them beat any of Ash's Pokemon, or beat someone a Gym Leader/Elite Four/Champion? Or anyone with a ton of Trainer/Battle experience?
 

AxelJade

Well-Known Member
1. So should I see/interpret this as the writers handing the new Protag a bunch of stronger than normal Pokemon, that he has no business having? (Cinderace gets a pass)

2. Could any of them beat any of Ash's Pokemon, or beat someone a Gym Leader/Elite Four/Champion? Or anyone with a ton of Trainer/Battle experience?
For both of those questions, you won't like my answer.

When asked who was stronger, Thor or the Incredible Hulk, Thor and Hulk creator Stan Lee did not give a definitive power scaling answer that makes sense. He said that it depends on who writes the story. If the writer is a Thor fan, Thor will be stronger. If the writer is a Hulk fan, the Hulk will be stronger. Basically, whatever story the writers want to tell, they won't follow some set power scale. They'll write whatever makes more sense for the story.

Should you interpret Goh getting strong Pokémon as the writers just handing out strong Pokémon to the new guy when he shouldn't have them? Could Goh's Pokémon keep up with more experienced Trainers? That entirely depends on the needs of the story. If the writers want to tell a story that makes Goh look really cool by fighting an Elite Four member and winning, then Goh's Pokémon will be strong enough to beat the Elite Four member, even if Goh is using strong Pokémon he hasn't used in battle before. If the writers want to write a story where Goh uses all of his strongest Pokémon in a battle and loses to some out-of-nowhere strong guy we've never met before, even if Goh's Pokémon seem like they should snatch the win easy, Goh will lose even if it makes no sense.
 

Morax

Oxygen
For both of those questions, you won't like my answer.

When asked who was stronger, Thor or the Incredible Hulk, Thor and Hulk creator Stan Lee did not give a definitive power scaling answer that makes sense. He said that it depends on who writes the story. If the writer is a Thor, Thor will be stronger. If the writer is a Hulk, the Hulk will be stronger. Basically, whatever story the writers want to tell, they won't follow some set power scale. They'll write whatever makes more sense for the story.

Should you interpret Goh getting strong Pokémon as the writers just handing out strong Pokémon to the new guy when he shouldn't have them? Could Goh's Pokémon keep up with more experienced Trainers? That entirely depends on the needs of the story. If the writers want to tell a story that makes Goh look really cool by fighting an Elite Four member and winning, then Goh's Pokémon will be strong enough to beat the Elite Four member, even if Goh is using strong Pokémon he hasn't used in battle before. If the writers want to write a story where Goh uses all of his strongest Pokémon in a battle and loses to some out-of-nowhere strong guy we've never met before, even if Goh's Pokémon seem like they should snatch the win easy, Goh will lose even if it makes no sense.
Who's stronger, Hulk or Stan Lee?
 
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