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Pocket Monsters (2019) Speculation Thread

thedarkdragon11

P4P Elite
Reminder: Having reserves is not tantamount to having no future captures... It's just lessened...

No Absol... Urshifu still possible since Kubfu is yet to appear and the other Urshifu forme... Then there's the old Larvitar...
 

Ragnarok4

Journeys >>>> SM by far
The 10 Mega Challenge was its greatest feat and yet it couldn't hang with Seibold's Mega Blastoise during his early run nor could it do considerable damage to Steven's Mega Metagross
-well, siebold had a type advantage, plus Alain tells Malva that he has gotten stronger after losing

-Metagross vs Charizard never ended, and it was even

-Anime is different from games, it is not confirmed that Diantha is the weakest
 

Morax

Unknown member
Yes, because base Greninja can't defeat Mega's (It has the worse feats out of any of the Kalos mons, except for Noivern).
Dude ash greninja and greninja are the same pokemon. Relying on a transformation doesn't make you weak. By that logic base goku is weaker than yamcha.
 

nickdt

Well-Known Member
Dude ash greninja and greninja are the same pokemon. Relying on a transformation doesn't make you weak. By that logic base goku is weaker than yamcha.

Yes it does.

Blaze Torracat would have never been able to defeat Kukuincineroar with the power buff.

Regular Greninja is weak, since it has worse feats than Talonflame and Hawlucha, who don't need a power buff to land hits on Mega's and legendaries, whereas Greninja needs that power buff. So yeah, Greninja is weaker than them by default because of its regular form not being able to do so and needing a power buff to do so.

Look at Zard. It was brought to his knees by a measly Pikachu, who was already weakened as well. Then it turned full beast mode when Mega Zard.
 

Morax

Unknown member
Yes it does.

Blaze Torracat would have never been able to defeat Kukuincineroar with the power buff.

Regular Greninja is weak, since it has worse feats than Talonflame and Hawlucha, who don't need a power buff to land hits on Mega's and legendaries, whereas Greninja needs that power buff. So yeah, Greninja is weaker than them by default because of its regular form not being able to do so and needing a power buff to do so.
SO goku is weaker than yamcha? got it
 

nickdt

Well-Known Member
SO goku is weaker than yamcha? got it

Did Goku only rely on a power-buff to shine? Nope

Did Greninja only rely on a power-buff to Shine? Yes (Proves its base form is weak)

So its comparing oranges with apples.
 

Joltik-Kid

Simply Fantastic ಠ_ಠ
-well, siebold had a type advantage, plus Alain tells Malva that he has gotten stronger after losing

-Metagross vs Charizard never ended, and it was even

-Anime is different from games, it is not confirmed that Diantha is the weakest
- Type advantage? Charizard X is Fire/Dragon, it takes neutral damage from Water moves. That being said, yes Alain and Zard got stronger as the series progressed, however... still couldn't take Lysandre's Mega Gyarados 1 v 1 after beating Ash's Greninja, 3 times.

- Even is generous, but I'll concede the battle never concluded

- Where did I mention the game? I said based on Greninja forcing Diantha to Mega Evolve Gardevoir, it either makes her the weakest Champion or in all likelihood, as I stated, it's an outlier feat and Greninja wasn't actually Champion level at all.
Dude ash greninja and greninja are the same pokemon. Relying on a transformation doesn't make you weak. By that logic base goku is weaker than yamcha.
That's... not wrong actually. Base Goku doesn't have the ×50 boost the Super Saiyan transformation offers. Same character, different power... unless you think Ash's Greninja in Base can beat his own Ash-Greninja form.
 

Ragnarok4

Journeys >>>> SM by far
Where did I mention the game? I said based on Greninja forcing Diantha to Mega Evolve Gardevoir, it either makes her the weakest Champion or in all likelihood, as I stated, it's an outlier feat and Greninja wasn't actually Champion level at all.
Blastoise had dragon pulse, he had an advantage

You are based on the fact that Greninja is weak to say that Gardevoir is also weak, when it is shown that CharizadX is above an E4 and Greninja is at least at the same level as an E4

Being Greninja level E4, it can hurt Mega Gardevoir distracted, or I have to remind you that an E4 is not that far from a champion XD
 

nickdt

Well-Known Member
YES. Goku has recieved loads and loads of power-ups after he met bulma.

But before he met Bulma, he didn't get them and as such, wasn't relying on them. Keyword: AFTER.

Talonflames feats
Tanked a Fire Blast from its FE form as a Fletchling, Hit a Mega Lucario as a Fletchinder, Tanked a Fire Blast from a Moltres as a Fletchinder. Hit a Moltres as a Talonflame. Fought a Zapdos. Took down a mon in all its gym matches before going down, except against Grant. Took down a mon in all its league matches before going down, carried Ash through the matches with Valerie and Olympia (Literally against Olympia, since Ash and Frogadier would have been boned without Talonflame).

Base Greninja's feats. Umm... i can't remember any of them, except against Ramos and against an already weakened Bisharp, who fought Hawlucha and Goodra beforehand.

Greninja with power-buff: defeats Sawyers Mega, defeats Wulfrics Mega and assumely the match against that Altaria during the league (Which i don't count, since it happened off-screen).

So comparing all those feats: Talonflame is hands down the stronger battler of the 2 in base form and due to its feats, also the ace of the Kalos team, since it contributed more than the other members of the Kalos team (COMBINED no less).

You can't argue against facts, especially if they are handed to you on a silver platter.
 

Decidueye23

Well-Known Member
The article states something to the effect of infernape not appearing frequently at oaks lab. I feel moltres could be the reason. Also the symbolism that infernape appears in an episode in which a rival of Ash who owns an electivire appears is not lost on me.

Honestly i feel like if this is going to be a 4 year series Ash will get new mons. Even if reserves are in play. He could still get 2 3 mons eithout any problems.

I think the two new trainers will own the two urhsifu we have seen so far in merch. Maybe the boys will get toxtricities as their next captures.
 

nickdt

Well-Known Member
You know ? this is getting tiring, the people who don't accept Greninja's strength are the same people who looked down on Charizad before 2015

Again: What Strength? Base Greninja is weak af, as i have already presented and proven with comparing its feats with Talonflames feats in base form.

In base form, Talonflame is hands down the stronger battler of the 2.

Funny thing is: Talonflames feats get downplayed because of the Greninja fanboys, who can't see any flaws in Greninja, while its already factually proven Talonflame is the stronger battler in base form.
 
What will actually happen is that Infernape will beat Moltres. Greninja will come back and beat Articuno. Then a Zapdos will come and beat both of them like a stinking rattata.

Then Hawlucha will bring out it's true power, beat Zapdos and take his revenge, cementing himself as Ash's strongest Pokemon.
 
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