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Pocket Monsters (2019) Speculation Thread

Ragnarok4

Journeys >>>> SM by far
Just look at the feats, Greninja fanboy and compare them. What feats does Base Greninja have compared to Talonflames. He has none.
Eww.. Greninja fanboy? Not thanks, I only defend what I see in the anime

If you have such a hard time differentiating them, then from now on I will say "Ash-Greninja"
 
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Decidueye23

Well-Known Member
Just look at the feats, Greninja fanboy and compare them. What feats does Base Greninja have compared to Talonflames. He has none.
Why are you separating Ash greninja from greninja? It is its power up. Its part of the pokemon. Talonflame has been consistent and i perosnally feel is Ash's strongest bird. Base Grenija or Ssh Greninja arent two different pokemon. They are the same pokemon so i dont think it makes sense to separate those two and talk.
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
Infernape could definitely beat down Moltres, I'd rather Moltres go free though. Articuno would be a cooler catch for Ash
Based on the article, I'm not sure whether Infernape going to join as regular Journey cast.
If he does Paul is basically confirmed at some point lol
I'd rather Incineroar came full time over Infernape and Charizard though, he needs it
 

nickdt

Well-Known Member
Why are you separating Ash greninja from greninja? It is its power up. Its part of the pokemon. Talonflame has been consistent and i perosnally feel is Ash's strongest bird. Base Grenija or Ssh Greninja arent two different pokemon. They are the same pokemon so i dont think it makes sense to separate those two and talk.

Power wise, Greninja and Ash-Greninja are two different Pokemon (Thats my argument, not that they are 2 separate mons entirely).

Ash-Greninja (The form), can defeat Mega's while base Greninja (The non-form), can't.

As such, i don't think its fair to combine both Ash-Greninja's wins into base Greninja's wins, since the form (Power-Buff) can do what the base form can't. Just like i won't combine Alains regular Zards feats with his Mega's feats, since they are on a different power level (Base Zard was brought on its knees by a weakened Pikachu, which Pikachu wouldn't be able to do if it was a Mega, except if Pikachu would have been fresh, but then again, Pikachu wouldn't have been able to defeat Mega Zard at all, unless with a huge power-buff, especially since it already struggled 1v1 against a Mega Lucario that was inexperienced - before the gym match that is).

Base Greninja is weak, compared to Talonflame. Thats my argument. However, the form Greninja is stronger (Thats no contest).

However in terms of sheer power it goes: Base Greninja > Talonflame > Ash-Greninja. Feats prove this as a fact.

As such, Talonflame is the stronger battler of the 2, in base form (As i already explained as well), as proven by sheer feats alone and base Talonflame was the ace of the Kalos team because of this, since base Greninja contributed less to nothing to the overall Kalos gym run.

Its basically this
Talonflame - Gym run ace (Best feats during the gym run)
Ash-Greninja - League ace - with Talonflame coming second on feats in the league alone (Not counting Pikachu obviously, since not a regional mon).

Its basically the same as in Hoenn
Grovyle - Gym run ace (Best feats during the gym run)
Glalie - League Ace (Better feats during the league than the other mons)
 
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Joltik-Kid

Simply Fantastic ಠ_ಠ
Blastoise had dragon pulse, he had an advantage

You are based on the fact that Greninja is weak to say that Gardevoir is also weak, when it is shown that CharizadX is above an E4 and Greninja is at least at the same level as an E4

Being Greninja level E4, it can hurt Mega Gardevoir distracted, or I have to remind you that an E4 is not that far from a champion XD
So any Pokemon that has a coverage move has a considered type advantage despite their actual typing? Alright, I'll keep that one in my back pocket.

Since you still love ignoring that neither Alain's Mega Charizard, nor Ash-Greninja could 1 v 1 Lysandre's Mega Gyarados, what opponents did Greninja defeat that made him E4 level? Hurting Alain's Charizard? Does that make Torterra E4 level since it hurt Bertha's Hippowdon?

Then i rest my case. no point in arguing with someone who thinks transformations make you a different person.
You don't seem to understand what your proposing in the first place... if Goku in base can't defeat an enemy, but Super Saiyan can, how is that not the transformations power? There's a reason the human characters in Dragonball feel like they have a chance against base saiyans compared to when they transform.
 
Wait, Charizard is also there with Infernape with at the start of the trailer. Just flying up.

It's possible that it's a three way fight. Ash (Charizard and Infernape) vs Moltres vs Random Pokemon or a double battle.
 

Ragnarok4

Journeys >>>> SM by far
So any Pokemon that has a coverage move has a considered type advantage despite their actual typing? Alright, I'll keep that one in my back pocket.
-Okay, it is not Type Advantage as such, my mistake, but at least it had an advantage

-I don't know how strong that Gyarados is in the first place, that's why I didn't take it into account

-HIppowdown vs Torterra? It's a joke?
Hippowdon literally crushes him, although the poor turtle at least held out longer than Infernape ever did, I only remember a vague leaf storm after a tip from Bertha, lol

"Ash" (in case Nickit has trouble differentiating it) Greninja is stronger than Infernape man, Just accept it
 

Morax

Unknown member
Didnt w

Didnt we see him in the trailer with him ? o.o
Based on the information we have right now, Gary and Infernape are a part of the same episode which is a prelude to "project mew". The guy with the urshifu is a different episode and most probably the "project mew" thing. Also the background for the Gary/infernape episode suggests that they are still in kanto.
 

Ragnarok4

Journeys >>>> SM by far
Based on the information we have right now, Gary and Infernape are a part of the same episode which is a prelude to "project mew". The guy with the urshifu is a different episode and most probably the "project mew" thing. Also the background for the Gary/infernape episode suggests that they are still in kanto.
So Gary won't go to CT?
 

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
Based on the information we have right now, Gary and Infernape are a part of the same episode which is a prelude to "project mew". The guy with the urshifu is a different episode and most probably the "project mew" thing. Also the background for the Gary/infernape episode suggests that they are still in kanto.
Why ? Gary and Infernape were seen in a cold area. Why does it imply its set in Kanto ? o.o
 

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
Nah. I think Charizard's tail was clearly visible and it is very distinguishable from Moltres's tail.

That and the Pokemon was with Ash and Infernape. Why would Moltres let them come close if it senses hostility?
Can u upload a pic? U mean that Charizard went with Ash too?
 
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