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Pocket Monsters (2019) Speculation Thread

AxelJade

Well-Known Member
Why does everyone continue to think that there will be only 3 master class battles?
Easy. After 20+ years of Pokémon using a more standard tournament format for stories like this, everyone applies that structure to the PWC. Whether or not they realize it. If there are only 8 Trainers in the Master Class, and if you treat the Master Class like a bracketed tournament, then yeah. There would only be 3 battles involving Ash. A Top 8, a Top 4, and a Final. And it would be structured very deliberately so that Ash only gets to battle the Trainers he has a connection to that ties into his character arc for the generation, while everyone else is fodder and spectacle that serves no deeper purpose than building hype and drama. "Oh my God! I can't believe that guy lost and was eliminated! I wanted Ash to battle them!" and "That newer Trainer is really strong if they were able to beat that Trainer I knew first! How strong are they?! Can Ash beat them?!" and all of that shallow melodrama that makes this genre what it is.

Is that how the Master Class will work? Probably not (I would prefer it, but it probably won't). But is that how the Pokémon anime had handled events like this for years, how people are used to it bring handled, and how they subconsciously expect it to be handled? Yes.
 

BlazingAsh

Well-Known Member
I extremely doubt that he is only going to take on three of them and it just being a standard tournament, I fully expect him to take them all on and beat them so that when he faces Leon, it will show that Ash is good enough to face him. There should be no shortcuts if you want to challenge the best of the best then you have to beat out the rest of the competition.
It is a standard tournament. Goh explained in episode 13 how master class battles work.
Master class battles are all probably full battles and they never give us more than 2 or 3 full battles in any series anyway.

I mean beating Cynthia alone should mean he's a good enough trainer to face him.
 

AxelJade

Well-Known Member
It is a standard tournament. Goh explained in episode 13 how master class battles work.
Master class battles are all probably full battles and they never give us more than 2 or 3 full battles in any series anyway.

I mean beating Cynthia alone should mean he's a good enough trainer to face him.
I miss full battles. I remembering being one of the people who was disappointed that Sun and Moon didn't have any full battles until Ash vs. Kukui, and if you don't want to count that one because "it was the final majorly important battle of the Gen 7 anime. Of course it was a full battle", we haven't had full battles since XY&Z with Ash vs. Shota and Ash vs. Alan.
 

Morax

Well-Known Member
Am I the only one who doesn't want to see Greninja come back? The only one who wants to see Greninja fall into same "I promise I'll come back for you! ...I won't, but I promise I will!" void as Pidgeot?

I know that from a marketing standpoint, Greninja coming back for at least an episode is almost guaranteed, but still...

Greninja just isn't that interesting. Its personality is just "the stoic warrior guy". Its character arc was just a copy of Infernape's arc, with the only difference being that Ash actually tried to use Greninja's power to win while he never intentionally had Infernape use Blaze. If Greninja only comes back for one or two episodes, then all Greninja is going to do is look cool for a few minutes of battle time before being left in Kalos again. If Greninja rejoined Ash permanently, he's just going to get unceremoniously shoved into Oak's lab so he can meditate under a tree all day once it's time to reset the board again...

Is that really want when they say they want Greninja to come back? Or do they just want to see cool battle scenes where Ash wins without thinking of what the greater problems are?

Also, sorry for the out of nowhere ramble, but this has been on my mind for a while.
You got no problem with pika Z but AG is a no-no?
 

AxelJade

Well-Known Member
There is one key difference.

Pikashunium-Z is a tool. A tool that thematically represents Ash's bond with Pikachu creating a new exclusive power, but a tool nonetheless. Nothing is really gained or lost by bringing it back besides a little flair and dramatic emphasis in fights.

Greninja is supposed to be just as much a character as it is a tool for battle. All Pokémon in the anime pull double duty as both tools of combat and characters with emotions that can bond with characters. And I said previously that I don't think Ash-Greninja is that great of a character, outside of what he borrows from Infernape's character arc. He's the stoic, stalwart hero guy, and that's it. No extra tics or gags to define him outside of that. I don't think saying that a bad character should stay out of the show.
 

Morax

Well-Known Member
I'm not even defending him, i'm saying that he already confirmed that, also we are all bias in the end we all have things we like that some other would like and viceversa
I'm an extremist so can't relate. You either love everything or hate everything, there's no middle ground. :)
 

Morax

Well-Known Member
There is one key difference.

Pikashunium-Z is a tool. A tool that thematically represents Ash's bond with Pikachu creating a new exclusive power, but a tool nonetheless. Nothing is really gained or lost by bringing it back besides a little flair and dramatic emphasis in fights.

Greninja is supposed to be just as much a character as it is a tool for battle. All Pokémon in the anime pull double duty as both tools of combat and characters with emotions that can bond with characters. And I said previously that I don't think Ash-Greninja is that great of a character, outside of what he borrows from Infernape's character arc. He's the stoic, stalwart hero guy, and that's it. No extra tics or gags to define him outside of that. I don't think saying that a bad character should stay out of the show.
>a plot device that guarantees victory is better than a plot device that doesn't
what? I'll take AG any day because it's more than just a 'tool'. A bad character he may be but at least he has a character unlike a certain plot hax that literally only exists for winning.

And if you want to argue philosophies all pokemon are tools at the end of the day. They serve no other purpose than 'battling' each other, that personality slapped on them is irrelevent.
 

Ignition

Sinnoh Season
No she's one of the silhouettes for hyper class lmao
She’s going to be like Bea where she’s constantly moving up. She’ll be the one to beat Leon before Ash
 

deliaketchum

Well-Known Member
If top 8 will be Leon, Lance, Cynthia, Raihan, Bea, Ash, two unknown(x and y). Then the tournament will be like this:-
1st Round
Ash vs Bea - ash wins
Cynthia vs Raihan- Cynthia wins
Leon Vs X - Leon wins
Lance vs Y - Lance wins
2nd round
Ash Vs Cynthia - Ash Wins, Leon Vs Lance - Leon wins
3rd round
Ash wins
 
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