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Pocket Monsters (2019) Speculation Thread

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Bruh. This is so true. Joe once again has hit the nail on the head.
No it isn't. It was established that Pokémon had to be weakened before they could be caught. But apparently, this isn't the case for Goh... Also there's a difference between catching 5 mons per region and what Goh is doing.

This is just classic Joe, defending everything the Pokémon company does. He never criticizes anything they do. Which makes sense to be honest, this is his income.
 

AsH KetcHHup

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I don't think it will be anyone but Lt Surge. This series really like to hide hints or foreshadow future events. They wouldn't have used the substitute gym leader otherwise. A lot of you guys seemed to have skipped the flababe episode which had a bit of a sad conclusion but what I want to say is that shalour city gym was shown. This probably means that Korrina will return and it could be linked to Mega Lucario.
 

janejane6178

Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
No it isn't. It was established that Pokémon had to be weakened before they could be caught. But apparently, this isn't the case for Goh... Also there's a difference between catching 5 mons per region and what Goh is doing.

This is just classic Joe, defending everything the Pokémon company does. He never criticizes anything they do. Which makes sense to be honest, this is his income.
I hate when ppl do what Joe just did. Why does he speak for everyone else? I never complained about Ash not throwing poke ball on everything he sees like that Goh brat.
He needs to speak for him self and stop puting t words in other people’s mouthes.
 

KKS-Lapras

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Actually, the only thing the Anime ever specified, Japanese or dub, is that chance of successful capture increases if a trainer weakens it by battling, but never has it been specified in the Anime you must battle in order to capture. There are 2 points made in the Anime that elaborate on this point. First being, it is considered more practical to battle and weaken whenever possible. Second being, there are certain circumstances where battling to weaken and capture is actually forbidden, such as the Safari Zone.

Goh in the Anime takes the capturing without battling to weaken path a bit too often for most our liking though, that and Goh has captured several Pokemon that most of us would rather Ash had caught, and some of Goh's captures have felt unearned, since he is a relatively new trainer, and considering Ash is still the lead protagonist.
 

RafaSceptile

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Actually, the only thing the Anime ever specified, Japanese or dub, is that chance of successful capture increases if a trainer weakens it by battling, but never has it been specified in the Anime you must battle in order to capture. There are 2 points made in the Anime that elaborate on this point. First being, it is considered more practical to battle and weaken whenever possible. Second being, there are certain circumstances where battling to weaken and capture is actually forbidden, such as the Safari Zone.

Goh in the Anime takes the capturing without battling to weaken path a bit too often for most our liking though, that and Goh has captured several Pokemon that most of us would rather Ash had caught, and some of Goh's captures have felt unearned, since he is a relatively new trainer, and considering Ash is still the lead protagonist.
I agree that the amount of "luck" with Goh's captures is kind of ridiculous, but people acts like you MUST battle for catching Pokémon, when in neither in the games or in the anime it is an obligation.
 

Morax

King of heroes
That's a Pokemon that should definitely be a filler episode with a tad bit of James focus like the Chingling episode in DP.

Uh no it isn't lol
Since BW ended and before Ash got Dracovish we spent YEARS without there being a single moment where Ash actually had a full team, it was always 5 Pokemon. Of course people wanted Ash to get more, it was annoying that he didn't seem able to hold a full team anymore! When Ash released or dumped somebody in training that meant we'd get a replacement, Phantump vs Gogoat wars, various SM Pokemon predictions with Jangmo-o being the most prominant prediction.... they never did bring a replacement in and just brought Goodra and Poipole back only to send them away again. That is pretty much it apart from Ash haters going "Hurr Ash is too freaking stupid to catch Zapdos when he beat it!"

And rotation done right but there's a major difference between wanting Ash to own 6-9 Pokemon and Goh getting 100 in a single year. OS was the beginning of the series so it gets a pass, Johto was still finding it's feet and dragged the Kanto starters along before needing to come up with a reason to bench the three. Then comes BW and everyone's surprised when Ash gets a seventh team member, then that surprise quickly turns to annoyance when the team turned out to only have one actual slot in rotation due to Pikachu, Scraggy, and the three starters existing.

Hardly anyone complained about him not catching legendaries, it was the League and him releasing things that people complain about(Rightfully so on Goodra/Poipole's part but apart from XY most of the League complaints weren't justified in the slightest. 'Ash lost to a dummy' man who cares? Sure I'd have preferred seeing Benga or Hugh take him out but what's done is done, there are FAR worse things in BW to complain about. 'Tobias' It felt like a compliment creating a guy like him to make Ash lose, Ash was just that good!
Imagine if Ash HAD a legendary, nobody would be able to accept Ash losing that league(Well maybe some but what I mean is Ash would be extremely ridiculed for that loss). Besides which one was he going to get? The Hoenn/Sinnoh trinity are basically gods, past Pokemon were seemingly banned from his team so the birds/beasts were out, Infernape cancelled Heatran, Regis were Brandon's, be odd to single him out on the lake trio given the whole thing was to signify Ash/Dawn/Brock's importance, BW was basically OS 2.0 where they seemingly tried avoiding Ash being OP(I'm still on the side that says he'd have likely gotten Zekrom had TP actually happened though). XY was the first and currently only region to have zero legendary Pokemon outside of the trinity. SM treated the Tapu like guardians(as they are in the games but you really only saw Koko), it'd paint Ash in a pretty bad light had he tried to catch one. Nebby... yeah, that should have happened. Just keep him as the cute nebula cloud for a longer period and then Ash has a Solgaleo, Ash actually formed a bond with him and everything. It's not a 'OMG so OP' Pokemon like Rayquaza or Zygarde would be. And ever since Ash beat Articuno he proved himself worthy of owning one, Goh didn't. Just threw a ball and hurr de hurr, it caught! I swear the people who defend Goh don't have respect for Ash at all! For years people went 'lol people self insert as Ash' but funny how the tables have turned and people start whimpering and crying foul at the slightest insult hurled Goh's way, even when it's completely justified! People live through Goh lmao

Also people would be FAR more accepting of Goh owning a legendary had Ash owned one first. Look at Melmetal, Ash got it. Mallow bonds with Shaymin, Lillie got Magearna. Nobody cared, you could argue that Lillie got off due to her popularity but as Mallow's seemingly only fan that sure as hell ain't true for her. Most fans just want Ash to own ONE, that's it! I'm one of them, I write fanfic and the one and only one I've ever given him other than Kubfu is a Latias. Wanting Ash to get ONE doesn't excuse Goh getting MULTIPLE or potentially dozens!

Plus catching legendary Pokemon kinda takes away the charm and novelty, especially when XY/SM is where it started to die down. "Oh look, Moltres/Zapdos.... again." "What's a Kyogre doing in Alola?! And who do these poachers think they are? The TRio stand as much a shot at getting it as they do!" "Zapdos again really? You just did that again a few years ago." "Why do Celebi keep kidnapping children? And just how many exist? we've seen one almost every generation!" "Suicune, well at least it's been over 10 years" "Moltres... *sigh* Oh, Infernape's battling it that's a great comeback for bringing in the reserves!" "Wild Regice? Ugh, please don't ignore Brandon for the new Regis..." (Yes, that is a legitimate concern I have at the moment. I know they could just be getting the old ones out of the way so Brandon can use the new ones on his potential 3v3 with Ash but it's still worrying and honestly would be pretty annoying if he DOES show but is excluded from the new Regidrago/elec focus episode). Bad enough they appear like the common Rattatta, you want them treated like them too being caught like one?

The games are more than excused cause you can't honestly expect to say 'Well they didn't play HGSS so they don't deserve Lugia' is fair. It's fairly easy to ignore them outside of Rainbow Rocket's plot, the anime waves them in front of your face and just annoys you when certain ones like Celebi, Kyogre and the Kanto birds(I'll give them a bit of a pass this time since they need to showcase the difference but my point still stands) appear for the 4-10th time and most of the Unova legends/mythicals, Marshadow, Volcarona/Diancie/Hoopa never had episode roles and despite this series supposed to having a 'world tour' vibe going on, we'll still likely not see them.

I'll admit to being a slight hypocrite on hyped for a Zeraora appearance as stuff has implied but we never did get to see one in Ash's world, it was an AU in both circumstances. We never saw Zeraora from the main earth and it could be a good candidate for a second Electric type, assuming Toxel/Toxtricity doesn't break the status quo first.


Hopp'll likely be the one with Rillaboom or rather the one to debut it, I'm honestly surprised that Wooloo hasn't joined the cast yet given how popular it is. Though I also thought Ash would have beaten at least one of the Galar gym leaders by now...

I guess it could happen in Tundra but there probably won't be time if they stuff the Mew Squad and Regice into a single episode rather than splitting it up. I really hope Ash starts battling the gym leaders for the PWC soon cause that honestly feels like the only way we'll actually get to see Galar Pokemon. Hope that female is Nessa...
Tobias felt like a compliment? Wtf am i reading?

He was the living proof that they would do anything in their power to prevent ash from winning a league ( until SM that is ). A loss is a loss, the "how" doesn't matter.
 

charinija

Pokemon Master
Or what about Salamence
Salamence I think it is unlikely.

The Flying and Dragon type Pseudo is Legendary and Dragonite is already on Ash.

If Ash will catch Pseudo Legend, I think it will be Tyranitar, Metagross or Dragapult.

He had traveled with Haunter before. Ash caught Gengar in this series.

He had previously traveled with Larvitar. Ash would also catch Tyranitar.

I also think that Ash will catch a pokemon from each generation. The 2nd generation Pokemon would be the Tyranitar.
 
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WaterShuriken

"I..I..Iron Tail, Pikachu."
Hope its not st surge. Boring

I really don’t want it to be surge. That would be the third electric specialist ash would face in this series with volkner coming up as well.

Even worse if they all use a raichu.

The Visquez episode made it obvious that Lt. Surge wants to battle Ash again. It's definitely happening.

As for Raichu being used, I don't mind that as long as they have diverse movesets. Raichu can learn a good variety of moves and it would be interesting to see how differently they all battle. As we saw before, Pikachu doesn't have to be the one to KO them. Gengar took care of Visquez's Raichu. Pikachu can tale care of Lt. Surge's. Maybe Infernape or someone else can take care of Volkner's.
 

Dragonsoldier77

Bittersweet Satisfaction
The Visquez episode made it obvious that Lt. Surge wants to battle Ash again. It's definitely happening.

As for Raichu being used, I don't mind that as long as they have diverse movesets. Raichu can learn a good variety of moves and it would be interesting to see how differently they all battle. As we saw before, Pikachu doesn't have to be the one to KO them. Gengar took care of Visquez's Raichu. Pikachu can tale care of Lt. Surge's. Maybe Infernape or someone else can take care of Volkner's.
It’s still hella boring and uncreative as possible.

They have free reign of bringing any gym leader with a variety of different pokemon. Yet ash has faced a grand total of 1 returning gym leader within two classes, and even if you count visquez, has only fought gym leaders of two types. Instead of making it more diverse they want to double down on it by having a rematch with another fighting and two more electric gym leaders? Like they’d be more creative if they select who ash faces by throwing darts at board with all the types.

But i guess it’s just journeys being journeys.
 

Spider-Phoenix

#ChespinGang

Bruh. This is so true. Joe once again has hit the nail on the head.
Man, that just reminded me a video where some random dude coments on a scene about something like "there's a pokémon where Ash and co are walking so why don't they catch it?" and use that to criticize the show and Ash.

Really hilarious in retrospect...
I agree that the amount of "luck" with Goh's captures is kind of ridiculous, but people acts like you MUST battle for catching Pokémon, when in neither in the games or in the anime it is an obligation.
Another point: just as it's tiring for Goh constantly just throwing pokéballs and getting a capture, having him battle everything before would be equally as tiring. Just see all the complaints about the one-shot PWC matches.
 

Dragonsoldier77

Bittersweet Satisfaction
If they wanted to have an Ash vs Surge rematch they should have just had them battle back then instead of creating an anime exclusive cotd. It would have made much more sense just to bring him back there lmao.
Yeah visquez was such a random addition. Like what was the point of even making her? Just have surge battle back then, it’s not like he’s someone who screams ‘Hyper class’ as well. There wouldn’t have been any problem with having him as ash’s first fight.
 

Spider-Phoenix

#ChespinGang
I like Visquez because she perfectly displays the change that happened on Vermillion Gym's mentality after Ash's beat Surge.

Like it really shows like the loss to Pikachu had made Surge rethink everything and how this impact even reached his fellows who now holds Ash in great esteem.

Maybe it's just me but the way Visquez reacted at the time, it's almost like she saw someone super famous or legendary lol
 

Dragonsoldier77

Bittersweet Satisfaction
I like Visquez because she perfectly displays the change that happened on Vermillion Gym's mentality after Ash's beat Surge.

Like it really shows like the loss to Pikachu had made Surge rethink everything and how this impact even reached his fellows who now holds Ash in great esteem.

Maybe it's just me but the way Visquez reacted at the time, it's almost like she saw someone super famous or legendary lol
And they could’ve easily done the same with surge there. Hell, it would’ve made more of an impact to see surge beating someone without excessively harming them and then chewing them out.
 

Bruh. This is so true. Joe once again has hit the nail on the head.
As Goh catches every Pokemon that he meets but I didn't recall myself complaining about Ash not catching Pokemon or meeting Legendary Pokemon back in 2001, I think Everyone in 2001 complains about Ash not catching Pokemon or meeting Legendary Pokemon, I think it was in Original series but I ignored it, but now it's 2021... I Ignored the Goh Complain too. I don't have much time to complain about Goh myself.
 
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