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Pocket Monsters (2019) Speculation Thread

Pretty sure the love for SM increased after the Litten episode, and even more significantly after the Kanto 2-parter and Nebby arc.
Tbh the Litten episode was super emotional and good. The AF and Necrozma arcs were decent. Season 22 is straight garbage aside from the Guzzlord episodes, which imo are the best in the series. But those episodes are very popular still doesn’t take away that SM is still a bad series imo
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
Sounds likely given we don’t know anything past that.

They might also just give is a new OP to speculate from and add dawn in it.
Cynthia appearance is almost certain. Hopefully best rival Paul appears
Also I forgot about a Fire Turtle! We have both Squirtle and Turtwig.

Now how do we incorporate a Fire Turtle starter without it being too similar to Torkoal?
Easy, it'll go anthro like all the others

I joke but it'll be hilarious if the turtle was the only one on four legs
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
Pretty sure the love for SM increased after the Litten episode, and even more significantly after the Kanto 2-parter and Nebby arc.
I agree with this, but I think the Nebby arc have a more mixed reception about how it was handled, mainly because of the changes into Lusamine character in comparison with the game plot.

Tbh the Litten episode was super emotional and good. The AF and Necrozma arcs were decent. Season 22 is straight garbage aside from the Guzzlord episodes, which imo are the best in the series. But those episodes are very popular still doesn’t take away that SM is still a bad series imo
I disagree, S21 is the weakest season of SM, as really nothing memorable happened outside of the Ula-Ula and Necrozma arc or your rarely above average filler episode like the banner Passimian episode. S22 started very weak with like 5 filler episodes in a row but it ended in a very high note, which in my eyes compensates the start and parts of the rushed development for half of the main characters.
 

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
Because the Dex thingies are weird.

Pikachu is supposed to be a Squirrel (Per interview) but it still called a Mouse.
Same with the Sandshrew line despite them being more clearly based on armadillos. And Bidoof is called the "Plump Mouse" Pokemon despite being clearly based on a beaver (which is more amplified by its evolution Bibarel, which is even called the "Beaver Pokemon" in the dex).
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Deluded Dreamer
How did BW and SM go from universally hated series to series that are considered 50/50? I know the answer for SM: that damn league.
Nope, you don't know the answer for SM at all. And they were never universally hated just because of the XY saltiness, that faded away by S1 itself. After ep20 SM had its sizable fanbase forming, that's because by then people had accepted what happened in XY and the changes SM brought. People didn't hate SM for itself back then mostly but for being after XY, XY not breaking the status quo again so there being saltiness and the new artstyle and direction. Once people got over their petiness they enjoyed the series for what it was since it always had a consistent theme going on with it. The people who liked that ended up loving it. If not by ep21 definitely by the misty/Brock two parter and before the nebby arc SM was no longer universally hated and had a very sizable fanbase that supported and defended it for a long time, yes EVEN before the league was confirmed to happen. The league was just a cherry on the top, ending the saga on an extremely high note and satisfying manner! It isn't the reason SM is beloved and saying it is just invalidating the earlier fanbase and forming a false narrative
The SM saga was and always will be bad lul.
Yea..... probably shouldn't have taken the bait but I'll bite. It never was 'bad' just because you don't like it. Unlike BW it didn't have production issues and writing issues that led to no proper arc resolution or story. SM had its own direction themes and arcs going which they concluded perfectly. It's fine to not be a fan of that direction and so not to like but to those for which that style fits, it's a great series to watch
Pretty sure the love for SM increased after the Litten episode, and even more significantly after the Kanto 2-parter and Nebby arc.
Thank you! Someone who was actually there and know the fanbase state lol. Heck it was ep20 (the Pikachu and Ash alone in an island) which got very great feedback and just being followed up by the litten episode made lots of people put aside their negative bias and enjoy the series for what it is, surprising them. Even before there were lots of people adjusting to and liking what SM was doing but the ep20-21 boost was very significant! It's when SM's fans particularly started to form, not just anipoke fans liking SM coz it was the next series. And by the misty/Brock two parter and just before the nebby arc (the hype for it was fun lol), it's fanbase was pretty significant. The league was just a cherry on top, not the reason.
 

Decidueye23

Well-Known Member
Honestly though, the only thing good about that league was the Ash vs Kukui battle. Infact its one of the most critisized aspect of SM so not sure how it can be the reason for peopl's opinion to change. I mean Ash vs Katie in hoenn was better than Ash vs Gladion lol. Also the thing was SM was followed by one of the Best series in PM, ans it took it ina comepeltely different direction. So naturally it took time for people to get aclimated with it. But once the people got used to it, it was never too divisive. The only real complaints most people had was the lack of battles, and the battles being bland. Also Ash's team was pretty much marketing max.
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Deluded Dreamer
Honestly though, the only thing good about that league was the Ash vs Kukui battle. Infact its one of the most critisized aspect of SM so not sure how it can be the reason for peopl's opinion to change. I mean Ash vs Katie in hoenn was better than Ash vs Gladion lol. Also the thing was SM was followed by one of the Best series in PM, ans it took it ina comepeltely different direction. So naturally it took time for people to get aclimated with it. But once the people got used to it, it was never too divisive. The only real complaints most people had was the lack of battles, and the battles being bland. Also Ash's team was pretty much marketing max.
I mean like ....that's just your opinion. Many people including me love Ash Vs Gladion, ash Vs guzma, Gladion Vs kiawe and appreciate acerola Vs kiawe, kiawe Vs Sophocles, Lana Vs guzma, guzma Vs illima and even mallow Vs Lana and Lillie vs Gladion for the thematic reasons.
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
Honestly though, the only thing good about that league was the Ash vs Kukui battle. Infact its one of the most critisized aspect of SM so not sure how it can be the reason for peopl's opinion to change. I mean Ash vs Katie in hoenn was better than Ash vs Gladion lol. Also the thing was SM was followed by one of the Best series in PM, ans it took it ina comepeltely different direction. So naturally it took time for people to get aclimated with it. But once the people got used to it, it was never too divisive. The only real complaints most people had was the lack of battles, and the battles being bland. Also Ash's team was pretty much marketing max.
The problem that a lot of people have with the Alola League battles is that they were much more about the characters instead of the battle itself. They focused much more in the interactions rather than in the action, you can't expect people enjoying battles like Mallow vs Lana or Gladion vs Lillie if you never cared about the characters, which is why a lot of people that tried to skip all the series until the league ended being dissapointed.

In the end, the "real" league started with the semifinals, and with the real I mean all the league related episodes were at least good. The previous rounds were from meh to decent but considering that it was twice longer than previous leagues, it has its own merit.
 

MartínK

Well-Known Member
Anyways let's do some OP speculation.

What do you guys think we'll see in the next OP?

Assuming that they go full fledged spoiler on us,, I personally think we might see:

Ash (Obvs)
Goh (Obvs)
Chloe (Obvs)
Dawn (Obvs)
Leon (Obvs)
Cynthia (Highly likely)
Volkner (Obvs)
Bea (Obvs)
Red Haired Project Mew Guy (Forgot his name)
Blue Haired Project Mew Girl (Forgot her name)
Darkrai (Obvs)
Cresselia (Obvs)
Mega Lucario
G-Max Gengar
G-Max Cinderace (If G-Max Gengar happens I can see this happening too)
Mega Scizor (If Mega Lucario happens, I can see this happening too)
Drizzile (Maybe a glimpse at Inteleon too)
Grookey
Eevee
Dracovish
Dragonite
Gengar
Sirfetch'd

I don't see Goh using Mega Evolution only Dynamax/Gigantamax
 

Pokegirl Fan~

"She can violate my rights"-Brock
Nope, you don't know the answer for SM at all. And they were never universally hated just because of the XY saltiness, that faded away by S1 itself. After ep20 SM had its sizable fanbase forming, that's because by then people had accepted what happened in XY and the changes SM brought. People didn't hate SM for itself back then mostly but for being after XY, XY not breaking the status quo again so there being saltiness and the new artstyle and direction. Once people got over their petiness they enjoyed the series for what it was since it always had a consistent theme going on with it. The people who liked that ended up loving it. If not by ep21 definitely by the misty/Brock two parter and before the nebby arc SM was no longer universally hated and had a very sizable fanbase that supported and defended it for a long time, yes EVEN before the league was confirmed to happen. The league was just a cherry on the top, ending the saga on an extremely high note and satisfying manner! It isn't the reason SM is beloved and saying it is just invalidating the earlier fanbase and forming a false narrative

Yea..... probably shouldn't have taken the bait but I'll bite. It never was 'bad' just because you don't like it. Unlike BW it didn't have production issues and writing issues that led to no proper arc resolution or story. SM had its own direction themes and arcs going which they concluded perfectly. It's fine to not be a fan of that direction and so not to like but to those for which that style fits, it's a great series to watch

Thank you! Someone who was actually there and know the fanbase state lol. Heck it was ep20 (the Pikachu and Ash alone in an island) which got very great feedback and just being followed up by the litten episode made lots of people put aside their negative bias and enjoy the series for what it is, surprising them. Even before there were lots of people adjusting to and liking what SM was doing but the ep20-21 boost was very significant! It's when SM's fans particularly started to form, not just anipoke fans liking SM coz it was the next series. And by the misty/Brock two parter and just before the nebby arc (the hype for it was fun lol), it's fanbase was pretty significant. The league was just a cherry on top, not the reason.
SM wasn't that great but not as bad as BW, XY, and Journeys. Its continuity still felt forced in the Misty/Brock episodes where apparently there weren't any significant appearances from any of Ash's post OS reserves (Brock as well, where was Croagunk?) And any of the post OS reserves that were shown were barely shown at all.
 

Ragnarok4

No... STILL NOT ITS OVER !!!
SM wasn't that great but not as bad as BW, XY, and Journeys. Its continuity still felt forced in the Misty/Brock episodes where apparently there weren't any significant appearances from any of Ash's post OS reserves (Brock as well, where was Croagunk?) And any of the post OS reserves that were shown were barely shown at all.
XY was a thousand times better than BW and is even better than OS and AG
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Deluded Dreamer
SM wasn't that great but not as bad as BW, XY, and Journeys. Its continuity still felt forced in the Misty/Brock episodes where apparently there weren't any significant appearances from any of Ash's post OS reserves (Brock as well, where was Croagunk?) And any of the post OS reserves that were shown were barely shown at all.
Yea its continuity was bad post OS but atleast they showed Sudowoodo, I hope when Misty and Brock return in Journeys we see Croagunk and Azurill again. Plus i was talking more about why its fanbase exists and its not a bad series then how it is better comparedto other series. Personally for me its my fav coz it felt the most Pokemon like to me, was wholesome, fun to watch, creative and kept a smile on my face
XY was a thousand times better than BW and is even better than OS and AG
I like XY better then BW and AG for sure, but I enjoyed the BF saga more and the silliness of Kanto-OL more, Johto sucked tho
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Deluded Dreamer
That's like saying ""Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"" or ""Aside from Covid, 2020 was a good year""
Tbh.....it kinda depends on perspective and what things matter. Like 2020 is one of my worst years ever but it isn't because of covid for me, there were other things and if anything covid kinda helped me in a way. So yea, BW can still be fun to watch at times if you can excuse Ash's treatment and for some people, it's easy to overlook that for the other aspects
 
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