Pocket Monsters (2019) Speculation Thread

[Locormus]

Would Ash's staying in Pokémon Anime be inevitable while assuming that endgame is currently nonexistent, Imagine thinking that Ash would leave the Pokémon Anime. Like I said... it's never going to happen regardless of their decision. Ash will still stay regardless of the fanbase saying that he has to be replaced.

Two things:

1. The writers barely take heed of any online forums, much less let themselves be influenced by it.

2. Not sure if the 'fanbase' is actually saying they want Ash gone, but rather a vocal minority. Also note that when we got Goh as a second male protagonist he was (to my knowledge) almost universally disliked. It's a case of be careful of what you wish for.

I hope to at least be alive to finally see ash rest.

Not gonna lie. Disregarding my relatives, the individuals I've known for the longest period of my life are Ash and Pikachu.. xD

 

[masdog]

The anime always try to show that pokemon master is more than being the strongest trainer. But tbh, it seems growing stronger is really the only thing ash does to progress his dreams. They want to act like it's other stuff other than being strong, but ash doesn't do anything else but try to be stronger.

He also tries to build better bonds with his Pokemon...and stop evil teams from destroying the world.

There is no real path to becoming a Pokemon Master. It's literally described as a "Child's Dream." And they have to show things that make for exciting TV.

Even though he wont

Would Ash's staying in Pokémon Anime be inevitable while assuming that endgame is currently nonexistent, Imagine thinking that Ash would leave the Pokémon Anime. Like I said... it's never going to happen regardless of their decision. Ash will still stay regardless of the fanbase saying that he has to be replaced.

I think its a little premature to make this prediction with this level of confidence. They don't have to bring Ash back just because its always been done that way. They have changed up the formula so much over the last few series that it's really hard to say what the plans are for the next generation. The anime has done a lot of things that people thought they would never do over the last couple of generations, such as:

• Give Ash a love interest
• Let Ash catch a legendary or mythical
• Win a League Championship based on a mainline game
• Do a multi-region series
• Skip the gym challenge for the current region
• Defeat an E4 member
• Defeat a regional champion from a game
• Bring Serena back

There are some signs that the anime could be in for a major shakeup or status quo change too. None of these are conclusive proof that something major is going to change, and they could also have other explanations such as COVID and the 25th anniversary.

• Ignoring the current generation region
• Completing the evil team arc in the 1st year of the series
• Adapting post-game content for the anime's main storyline. The PWC seems to be a cross between the post-game battle facility and B2/W2's PWT. In SMUSUM, Mega Evolution is only available in the post-game. There is a lot more focus on legendary Pokemon that are usually only available in the Post-Game (Kanto Birds, Cresselia/Darkrai, Heatran in the Amazon special, the Regis in Project Mew if the opening is to be believed)
• The apparent end of the theatrical movies with Yajima rejoining the weekly anime staff
• Adapting game content that wasn't used in the anime, such as the Mega Lucario arc in the XY games and the Lisia contest scouting storyline from ORAS.
• Bringing back plot threads from previous series such as a potential Cynthia/Ash battle during the M8
• Giving Ash a competitive team of fan favorite/popular Pokemon that doesn't fit the regions of the current generations
• Breaking away from Ash being the current generation protagonist insert by giving him powerups that are not available in the mainline games

None of this fits the established patterns from previous series. This suggests that something is going to change, and the anime has a lot of options in front of it. It could, in no particular order:

• End the series entirely to focus on other anime projects that directly adapt game content
• Continue the status quo with the Journeys model, Ash, and new co-protagonists or companions
• Return to the old status quo of Ash exploring the region with companions
• Do a time skip to a teenaged Ash
• Do a time skip to an adult Ash and continue the story by following his children
• Make Go or Chloe the new protagonist
• Have Ash officially move into the Brock role and mentor a new MC in the Gen9 region.

I'm not saying any one of these will happen, but we should keep an open mind.

Edit: I should also add that the show has never done anything on this scale for previous anniversaries or milestone years.

 

[DayQuil95]

It's done a HORRIBLE job of portraying Ash as anything but a moron, like 80 percent of his losses were all about him being completely stupid and by pure luck he'll pull out a win from no where. This series has made him look weak as hell and all the "upgrades he's received have been badly handled too outside of Lucario and the mega evolution.

Exactly, the lack of strategy in the battles in this series is ridiculous. Does Ash beat Bea by using Lucario's power combined with a strategy to beat the type disadvantage and overcome Gigantamax? Nope, Lucario tanks everything and then beats Machamp with Steel Beam. You don't see stuff like Ash using Razor Leaf to camouflage Turtwig in order to beat Rampardos anymore, or Frogadier waiting for the perfect moment to time an attack against Gogoat in order to finish it.
And when the battles do have a strategy, like Ash somehow using Gigantamax properly against Marnie without having any experience with it, the animation looks like a slide show.

 

[DuquÊ?]

Eh, if it’s about bad strategies, vs Volkner takes the gold. Not because of Volkner himself, because his strategies were all cool, but Ash’s strategies...actually, lack of them, were terrible.

Volkner deciding to have electivire tank the z-move the peak of induced dumbness, just to give Ash the win.

 

[ShadowForce720]

Eh, if it’s about bad strategies, vs Volkner takes the gold. Not because of Volkner himself, because his strategies were all cool, but Ash’s strategies...actually, lack of them, were terrible.

Volkner deciding to have electivire tank the z-move the peak of induced dumbness, just to give Ash the win.

I don’t see how Volkner trying to do that was a dumb decision on his part when he had no way of knowing that the Z-move was going to be so powerful to the extent that it could overload Electivire’s ability and do damage to it.


Volkner having his Electivire try to use its ability to try to tank and absorb the Z-move is no different then when Brock Mega Evolved his Steelix and had it try to rank the Z-move Inferno Overdrive even though it was weak to Fire type attacks.

If anything Volkner would have more justification and thinking that his Electivire could possibly hold out against the Z-move and even if it got past Electivire’s ability it Electivire still had a resistance to Electric type moves.

It’s just the Z-move Ash and Pikachu used was far stronger then what Volkner and probably a lot of the audience assumed. Also it’s not like Volkner and most of the audience there were aware of how Ash’s battle against Tapu Koko went down.

 

[DankOverlord]

I don’t see how Volkner trying to do that was a dumb decision on his part when he had no way of knowing that the Z-move was going to be so powerful to the extent that it could overload Electivire’s ability and do damage to it.


Volkner having his Electivire try to use its ability to try to tank and absorb the Z-move is no different then when Brock Mega Evolved his Steelix and had it try to rank the Z-move Inferno Overdrive even though it was weak to Fire type attacks.

If anything Volkner would have more justification and thinking that his Electivire could possibly hold out against the Z-move and even if it got past Electivire’s ability it Electivire still had a resistance to Electric type moves.

It’s just the Z-move Ash and Pikachu used was far stronger then what Volkner and probably a lot of the audience assumed. Also it’s not like Volkner and most of the audience there were aware of how Ash’s battle against Tapu Koko went down.

Yeah, it was just a nice case of realistic logistics that the game will never have to avoid overcomplications. And it kind of is an awesome way to get around type immunity and stuff, sure the attack itself will not truly hurt... But the sheer energy and force output would still pack a punch

 

[Almighty Zard]

Exactly, the lack of strategy in the battles in this series is ridiculous. Does Ash beat Bea by using Lucario's power combined with a strategy to beat the type disadvantage and overcome Gigantamax? Nope, Lucario tanks everything and then beats Machamp with Steel Beam.

when it comes to fighting type gym leaders, the fights generally turn into more about who can endure more pain than strategy, because that's how most of them fight.

Eh, if it’s about bad strategies, vs Volkner takes the gold. Not because of Volkner himself, because his strategies were all cool, but Ash’s strategies...actually, lack of them, were terrible.

It wasn't that bad, Ash was switching around and using Gengar to keep volkner on his toes was a nice touch.

Volkner deciding to have electivire tank the z-move the peak of induced dumbness, just to give Ash the win.

Unless you didn't watch SM, you had to know going in that this was coming.

if a giant earth titan summoned by a legendary, which was completely destroyed into nothing and the legendary who summoned it was knocked out at the same time...how is a regular electivire supposed to withstand that?

not to mention both the games and anime have established there are limits to what a pokemon can absorb when it comes to abilities like that.

 

[solrocknroll]

10M Volt Thunderbolt really is Pikachu’s wrestling finisher

 

[SatoSereFan224888]

Just found this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1513383032421777409

This would be an interesting idea. I can see this happening. I think there shouldn’t be a competition in this performance. Just put on a show that the crowd will love.

 

[Ragnarok4]

GRENINJAAAAAAAAAAAA LEEEETTSSSS GOOOOOOOOO

I win

 

[Mythical-Moonlight]

Sorry imma bout to rant for a sec but I'm still irritated about the way Galar has been treated by the Anime and in General.

This Galar was done a disservice by EVERYONE


REMINDER This is how Galar will be remembered after this Generation is over.

- As the Generation that started the National Dex Cut?

- As the Generation with poorly rendered trees?

- As the Generation that tore the Pokemon fandom in half?

- As the Generation that was so hated it couldn't even have an Anime series to itself?

- As the Generation where the Anime staff could only bring itself to give a flying fruck about only maybe 5, maybe 6 of it's Pokemon?

And even then ALL 6 OF THEM have had bad writing to varying degrees

- One exists pretty much to get overshadowed by a Shillmon that has existed for about half the franchises lifespan

- One only exist to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

- One started off okay but randomly disappeared upon evolution and got replaced by the aforementioned worthless Comedy Relief

- One had the WORST evolutionary arc in the series

- One barely exists 90% of the time and whenever it does show its either Conedy Relief or Deus Ex Machinas some of the most BS Wins I've ever seen

- And one is an abusive asshole that doesn't exist 99% of the time ON TOP OF only existing to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

(Can you guess who's who?)


Yeah TPC wasn't very kind to This Generation at all. Hell nobody was

 

[Ace-Barn]

Now Go has five Dragon types.

While he has only three Ice types and Fairy types.

He only has 4 dragons, 2 from the same line.

He caught Kingdra for PM which is why it isn't shown with his pokemon in the OP. Unless it shows up in the coming park episode, I doubt he has it.

 

[Master Pikachu 11]

Sorry imma bout to rant for a sec but I'm still irritated about the way Galar has been treated by the Anime and in General.

This Galar was done a disservice by EVERYONE


REMINDER This is how Galar will be remembered after this Generation is over.

- As the Generation that started the National Dex Cut?

- As the Generation with poorly rendered trees?

- As the Generation that tore the Pokemon fandom in half?

- As the Generation that was so hated it couldn't even have an Anime series to itself?

- As the Generation where the Anime staff could only bring itself to give a flying fruck about only maybe 5, maybe 6 of it's Pokemon?

And even then ALL 6 OF THEM have had bad writing to varying degrees

- One exists pretty much to get overshadowed by a Shillmon that has existed for about half the franchises lifespan

- One only exist to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

- One started off okay but randomly disappeared upon evolution and got replaced by the aforementioned worthless Comedy Relief

- One had the WORST evolutionary arc in the series

- One barely exists 90% of the time and whenever it does show its either Conedy Relief or Deus Ex Machinas some of the most BS Wins I've ever seen

- And one is an abusive asshole that doesn't exist 99% of the time ON TOP OF only existing to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

(Can you guess who's who?)


Yeah TPC wasn't very kind to This Generation at all. Hell nobody was

I’m going to say
Sirfetch’d
Yamper
Cinderrace
Intelleon
Dracovish
Grookey

 

[k6666]

Sorry imma bout to rant for a sec but I'm still irritated about the way Galar has been treated by the Anime and in General.

This Galar was done a disservice by EVERYONE


REMINDER This is how Galar will be remembered after this Generation is over.

- As the Generation that started the National Dex Cut?

- As the Generation with poorly rendered trees?

- As the Generation that tore the Pokemon fandom in half?

- As the Generation that was so hated it couldn't even have an Anime series to itself?

- As the Generation where the Anime staff could only bring itself to give a flying fruck about only maybe 5, maybe 6 of it's Pokemon?

And even then ALL 6 OF THEM have had bad writing to varying degrees

- One exists pretty much to get overshadowed by a Shillmon that has existed for about half the franchises lifespan

- One only exist to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

- One started off okay but randomly disappeared upon evolution and got replaced by the aforementioned worthless Comedy Relief

- One had the WORST evolutionary arc in the series

- One barely exists 90% of the time and whenever it does show its either Conedy Relief or Deus Ex Machinas some of the most BS Wins I've ever seen

- And one is an abusive asshole that doesn't exist 99% of the time ON TOP OF only existing to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

(Can you guess who's who?)


Yeah TPC wasn't very kind to This Generation at all. Hell nobody was

Let me guess
1. Sirfetch
2. Grookey
3.Cinderace
4.Intelleon
5.Dracovish
6. James Morpeko

Agreed Galar really got shafted, even the ace of its regional champion is shill mon from another region

 

[Locormus]

Sorry imma bout to rant for a sec but I'm still irritated about the way Galar has been treated by the Anime and in General.

This Galar was done a disservice by EVERYONE


REMINDER This is how Galar will be remembered after this Generation is over.

- As the Generation that started the National Dex Cut?

- As the Generation with poorly rendered trees?

- As the Generation that tore the Pokemon fandom in half?

- As the Generation that was so hated it couldn't even have an Anime series to itself?

- As the Generation where the Anime staff could only bring itself to give a flying fruck about only maybe 5, maybe 6 of it's Pokemon?

And even then ALL 6 OF THEM have had bad writing to varying degrees

- One exists pretty much to get overshadowed by a Shillmon that has existed for about half the franchises lifespan

- One only exist to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

- One started off okay but randomly disappeared upon evolution and got replaced by the aforementioned worthless Comedy Relief

- One had the WORST evolutionary arc in the series

- One barely exists 90% of the time and whenever it does show its either Conedy Relief or Deus Ex Machinas some of the most BS Wins I've ever seen

- And one is an abusive asshole that doesn't exist 99% of the time ON TOP OF only existing to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

(Can you guess who's who?)


Yeah TPC wasn't very kind to This Generation at all. Hell nobody was

If I had to pick... the generation with the poorly rendered trees. I just can't. Looking straight: no tree. Side-eye: suddenly a tree pops in. Kills immersion every.single.time.

Couldn't care less about national dex honestly. I play with what's new.

I dropped the anime during SM, now only watch only select episodes.

If you look at the sales, then I don't think the fandom was torn in half at all..

The PWC is basically what they did in the games, without forcing a badgequest on us. I honestly don't mind not having done a badgequest here.. we did story bits and the PWC gave us options for other matchups that would've been more interesting then seeing Ash fight characters like Milo and Gordie..

Let me guess
1. Sirfetch
2. Grookey
3.Cinderace
4.Intelleon
5.Dracovish
6. James Morpeko

Agreed Galar really got shafted, even the ace of its regional champion is shill mon from another region

I think he said that the writers give a flying fruck about these.

Does James' Morpeko even exist? xD

 

[ImBeVillain]

Look at him, he's not angry so.. he gonna not lost at Battle Royale.
It certainly look he will start think about more important.

I can say that Ash might thought defeating easily opponents would not be fun for him or someone asked to him what he will doing after he defeated Leon.

I'm sure Kukui or Gladion will directly ask him about more important. So, it's doesn't look he gonna lost to battle - he would have another expresion: angry, not *surprised Pikachu meme*.

 

[k6666]

Look at him, he's not angry so.. he gonna not lost at Battle Royale.
It certainly look he will start think about more important.

I can say that Ash might thought defeating easily opponents would not be fun for him or someone asked to him what he will doing after he defeated Leon.

I'm sure Kukui or Gladion will directly ask him about more important. So, it's doesn't look he gonna lost to battle - he would have another expresion: angry, not *surprised Pikachu meme*.

Let’s start BW route Then Reset Him Hard In Spain

 

[KirliaToon50]

Let’s start BW route Then Reset Him Hard In Spain

I dunno if they allowed that route again but this time with a Smart Ash instead of the dumb Ash, please?

 

[Pkjoan]

Look at him, he's not angry so.. he gonna not lost at Battle Royale.
It certainly look he will start think about more important.

I can say that Ash might thought defeating easily opponents would not be fun for him or someone asked to him what he will doing after he defeated Leon.

I'm sure Kukui or Gladion will directly ask him about more important. So, it's doesn't look he gonna lost to battle - he would have another expresion: angry, not *surprised Pikachu meme*.

Easy, marry Serena when he is older.

 

[Risrhayne]

Sorry imma bout to rant for a sec but I'm still irritated about the way Galar has been treated by the Anime and in General.

This Galar was done a disservice by EVERYONE


REMINDER This is how Galar will be remembered after this Generation is over.

- As the Generation that started the National Dex Cut?

- As the Generation with poorly rendered trees?

- As the Generation that tore the Pokemon fandom in half?

- As the Generation that was so hated it couldn't even have an Anime series to itself?

- As the Generation where the Anime staff could only bring itself to give a flying fruck about only maybe 5, maybe 6 of it's Pokemon?

And even then ALL 6 OF THEM have had bad writing to varying degrees

- One exists pretty much to get overshadowed by a Shillmon that has existed for about half the franchises lifespan

- One only exist to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

- One started off okay but randomly disappeared upon evolution and got replaced by the aforementioned worthless Comedy Relief

- One had the WORST evolutionary arc in the series

- One barely exists 90% of the time and whenever it does show its either Conedy Relief or Deus Ex Machinas some of the most BS Wins I've ever seen

- And one is an abusive asshole that doesn't exist 99% of the time ON TOP OF only existing to be worthless Comedy Relief and nothing else

(Can you guess who's who?)


Yeah TPC wasn't very kind to This Generation at all. Hell nobody was

Ooh ooh! I like games, lemme play!

1. Yamper
2. Grookey
3. Scorbunny
4. Sobble
5. Dracovish
6. Morpeko

How’d I do??