Pocket Monsters (2023) Speculation Thread

[Poke Master 7]

As usual, I don't understand your logic. Why should the fact that Diana has a Mythical Pokémon mean that others will have them too?

If anything, having a Mythical/Legendary Pokémon is practically an aspect that runs in the family for those who become adventurers. Lucius had Rayquaza and Moltres, Rystal had Terapagos, Liko now has Terapagos and Diana has Pecharint.

 

[DuskAstral]

If anything, having a Mythical/Legendary Pokémon is practically an aspect that runs in the family for those who become adventurers. Lucius had Rayquaza and Moltres, Rystal had Terapagos, Liko now has Terapagos and Diana has Pecharint.

Notice that they all belong to the same family. Why would anyone outside of that family have similar Pokémon?

 

[Zhydra]

Notice that they all belong to the same family. Why would anyone outside of that family have similar Pokémon?

If by similar you mean legendaries?

Just about anyone can catch a Legendary if they put in the time and effort. Over in DP, we had a Heatran be in the background with a generic trainer and that will always be funny.

 

[Zhydra]

The Pokémon World in general is filled to the brim with powerful and dangerous Pokemon. Simply because there is a location that they’ve been to that has strong Pokémon doesn’t mean that it’s been built up. They went to Area Zero because that is where Gouging Fire was located. That was the extent of its purpose as a location.

BUUUT Area Zero is a particularly special area as we know since it's one of the only places we'd fine the Paradox Pokemon. It's pretty much established that you can find a lot of them down there and it's just one of the reasons not many people are allowed to go down there. (Since it's hinted that the game plot already happened, we're talking some serious other worldly stuff deep within the earth.)

It's kind of akin to Ultra Space in WHY it's dangerous. (Trade alternate timelines and what ifs with alternate dimensions and aliens.)

(And if I learned anything from using them in VGC, a lot of them ARE power houses but outside of a certain few, they're not exactly the most broken. "Brute Bonnet being an offensive Amoongus. Iron Jugulis having a different playstyle to Hydregion that's more of a niche filler. It's only really Flutter Mane, Great Tusk "for a while" Roaring Moon, Iron Bundle and the Paradoxes of LEGENDARY pokemon that are the real menaces.")

Right now it's feeling like how Meltan was handled over in SM. He showed up pretty late, is established to be a reliable scamp and has a brother dynamic with Rowlett. With him evolving right before Ash's fight with Gladion, being realized that he's not use to that big body and while a power house as Melmetal... got creamed by tactics. Then a short training segment later, he's able to body an Empoleon pretty well and then took a blast burn to the everything.
He isn't as fleshed out as the rest of Ash's SM team but compared to Ash's late game captures... pretty solid.

Also once again, Gouging Fire lived down there, he knows the kind of stuff the kids might be looking for. They just got to rescue him first to get the bread crumb.

That and not every member of the Five heroes are Paradox mons or legendaries, only really thinking Walking Wake due to the topic taking over, Sandy Shocks as a Roy mon and Iron Boulder because of the term, Worf effect. (Where a new guy easily takes down an established power house to show how tough he/she is. With Gouging Fire's signature move being easily countered by the Mighty Cleave.)

 

[wellwellwells]

If the story doesn't introduce challenges / obstacles along a protagonist journey then there is no plot to encourage the adventure.

Agree, but this coming from someone who was praising and aligned with Roy’s writing just a couple weeks back is… really something lmao

 

[DuskAstral]

If by similar you mean legendaries?

Just about anyone can catch a Legendary if they put in the time and effort. Over in DP, we had a Heatran be in the background with a generic trainer and that will always be funny.

Of course! However, you can't assume that just because one character has a Legendary Pokémon, others will catch one too.

 

[Zhydra]

Of course! However, you can't assume that just because one character has a Legendary Pokémon, others will catch one too.

Which is fine, considering most of the Paradox pokemon aren't even a lookalike to Legendaries.

It's only the Primordial Beasts (Walking Wake, Raging Bolt and Gouging Fire) and the Swords of the Morrow. (Leaves, Crown and Boulder) that do and are treated as such in game.

With the front cover bike dragons being the two official legendaries.

We also haven't had the death robots appear in the show but they have been mentioned (Show often foreshadows this kind of stuff.) and Boulder IS the violet counter part to Gouging Fire. (The paradox mon who's not shown in a preview, follows the same kind of side quest from Perrin and coincidentally has a move specifically there to counter Gouging Fires.) It's wishful thinking but it be a nice scene to see.

Agree, but this coming from someone who was praising and aligned with Roy’s writing just a couple weeks back is… really something lmao

Guy has quite a few bad takes before, but this is not one of them.

 

[Jangobadass]

Let us speculate.

Heck, that's what this thread is all about!

 

[ShadowForce720]

Heck, that's what this threat is all about!

Um, I think you might want to relook at your post because you accidentally put threat instead in threads which are two completely different words.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

I don’t expect future catches either but I really wish the gathering tera types thing makes them debut atleast the remaining gen 9 legends and hopefully the horses and Calyrex. Would be nice to see them play a role too in the story and get their debuts
Highly unlikely though

 

[UnovaMaster]

Just realized the OP also foreshadowed the order the 5 Heroes would go in for this Spinel fight

Sidian then Coral then Chalce then Rubina then Indi

 

[Kazuniya]

So like, what does Spinel plan to do if he loses Six Heroes? Surely he knows the gang plans to use Terapagos to neutralize all of Rakurium, is there anything he can do to actually stop the characters from basically eradicating the substance he's building his new empire on?

Other than stealing Terapagos, it feels like there's not much he can do here.

 

[Liko2024]

So like, what does Spinel plan to do if he loses Six Heroes? Surely he knows the gang plans to use Terapagos to neutralize all of Rakurium, is there anything he can do to actually stop the characters from basically eradicating the substance he's building his new empire on?

Other than stealing Terapagos, it feels like there's not much he can do here.

The Five Heroes were able to wear down Rayquaza and force him to sleep for an entire year, and that was only with regular Rakurium. Now that Spinel has access to the super strong spheres, it’s very likely that the Five Heroes working together could defeat a major Legendary Pokémon. Because of that, it’s entirely possible Spinel has already captured a Legendary and no longer needs the other Heroes at all.

 

[Kazuniya]

Because of that, it’s entirely possible Spinel has already captured a Legendary and no longer needs the other Heroes at all.

I guess it's possible he caught a legendary off-screen.

Alternatively, Spinel has the other 50% of Zygarde and he'll use Rakurium to artificially boost it to 100% Zygarde somehow. Though this would basically be like the climax of Flare plot in XY which had a Zygarde vs Zygarde clash.

 

[Jangobadass]

So like, what does Spinel plan to do if he loses Six Heroes? Surely he knows the gang plans to use Terapagos to neutralize all of Rakurium, is there anything he can do to actually stop the characters from basically eradicating the substance he's building his new empire on?

Other than stealing Terapagos, it feels like there's not much he can do here.

You underestimate him. A fatal mistake.

He snatched victory from our heroes in Laqua and when they fought the 5 minions the last time, so he's BOUND to have something up his sleeve...<_<

Like I said on another thread (and I think earlier here), I can totally see him whipping out a Master Ball to unleash a Mega-Evolable Legendary/Mythical (if just to justify the kids needing Mega-Rayqauza and/or Zygarde). Heck, maybe even multiple ones for all we know. He seems the type. And yes, I DO think he'd release his Pokemon besides Umbreon to do it. Heck, for all we know (again) he released Umbreon and it's sticking by him because it WANTS to. <_<
This is all hypothetical of course.

Though on the other hand, they COULD have the PokeGuardians vanquish the Explorers and go on everyday adventures/misadventures like how Ash-tachii still did stuff after dealing with Aqua-Magma, Galactic, Plasma, and Marco Cosmos...
(Maybe a tournament arc to promote Champions???)

 

[ShadowForce720]

I guess it's possible he caught a legendary off-screen.

Alternatively, Spinel has the other 50% of Zygarde and he'll use Rakurium to artificially boost it to 100% Zygarde somehow. Though this would basically be like the climax of Flare plot in XY which had a Zygarde vs Zygarde clash.

You underestimate him. A fatal mistake.

He snatched victory from our heroes in Laqua and when they fought the 5 minions the last time, so he's BOUND to have something up his sleeve...<_<

Like I said on another thread (and I think earlier here), I can totally see him whipping out a Master Ball to unleash a Mega-Evolable Legendary/Mythical (if just to justify the kids needing Mega-Rayqauza and/or Zygarde). Heck, maybe even multiple ones for all we know. He seems the type. And yes, I DO think he'd release his Pokemon besides Umbreon to do it. Heck, for all we know (again) he released Umbreon and it's sticking by him because it WANTS to. <_<
This is all hypothetical of course.

Though on the other hand, they COULD have the PokeGuardians vanquish the Explorers and go on everyday adventures/misadventures like how Ash-tachii still did stuff after dealing with Aqua-Magma, Galactic, Plasma, and Marco Cosmos...
(Maybe a tournament arc to promote Champions???)

Well in terms of legendary and/or mythical Pokémon he could use Mewtwo, Heatran, or Darkrai and then Mega Evolve them along with infecting them with Rakurium.


Of course there are other legendary or mythical Pokémon that could work if they go an anime exclusive route when it comes to transformation, like instance using Deoxys and powering it up with a unique transformation.

Of course the anime could incorporate the Treasures of Ruin Quartet or Koraidon and Miraidon somehow.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

I’d rather Spinel manages to mind control either Rayquaza or Zygarde coz I want a Shiny Mega Rayquaza vs Shiny Mega Zygarde battle

 

[345ash-greninja]

I’d rather Spinel manages to mind control either Rayquaza or Zygarde coz I want a Shiny Mega Rayquaza vs Shiny Mega Zygarde battle

BTW has it been confirmed that Rayquaza and Zygarde are gonna Mega Evolve?

 

[ShadowForce720]

BTW has it been confirmed that Rayquaza and Zygarde are gonna Mega Evolve?

No, however considering they both play major roles in Legends Z-A and it’s DLC where they are both able to Mega Evolve, it’s pretty likely that they will Mega Evolve in the anime as they will likely want to promote both Pokemon.

I’d rather Spinel manages to mind control either Rayquaza or Zygarde coz I want a Shiny Mega Rayquaza vs Shiny Mega Zygarde battle

Considering how things are being set up if that happens it would only be likely temporary thing that is used to stall for a bigger threat.


I think it makes sense for Spinel to have a Pokémon that is a actual threat that isn’t just him brainwashing/mind controlling one of the main characters Pokemon.

 

[345ash-greninja]

No, however considering they both play major roles in Legends Z-A and it’s DLC where they are both able to Mega Evolve, it’s pretty likely that they will Mega Evolve in the anime as they will likely want to promote both Pokemon.

I'm not entirely sure about that TBH. Remember the 2 Urshifu we saw in Journeys that never Gigantamaxed?