Pocket Monsters XY Pokémon Review Thread

[i2i]

My team prediction for Ash:
Pikachu
Greninja
Talonflame
Hawlucha
Skiddo
Wild Card: You choose which Pokémon by giving me your opnions.

I'm going with Mega for his Wild Card no one in particular though.

 

[Lorde]

My team prediction for Ash:
Pikachu
Greninja
Talonflame
Hawlucha
Skiddo
Wild Card: You choose which Pokémon by giving me your opnions.

I'm lost as to what his last Pokemon will be tbh. There are several Kalos choices for him, but all of them have an even chance of being caught in my opinion. Bergmite or Honedge might be good choices though I guess.

 

[SerenaForTheWin]

yay Hoenn two fully evolved starter check (Grenija-sceptile), regional bird check (Talonflame-swellow), pokemon that can't evolve check (Hawlucha-torkoal), 2 stage starter type that doesn't evolve check? (skiddo-corphish), and 2 stage ice type? (Avalugg-Galie)

most os us been speculating that bergmite might be ash's final member( really can't say if its going to evolve into avalugg when he does capture one), but i could be wrong and its still a very long wait before we see bergmite/ avalugg pretty sure it'll fall somewhere between anistar/ dendemille tbh

 

[1rkhachatryan]

Ugh, Bergmite and Avalugg are terrible pokemon so they can really stay away in my opinion. At least Glalie could move, all Avalugg can do is stand there and take hits.

 

[Lorde]

pretty sure it'll fall somewhere between anistar/ dendemille tbh

I actually hope that Bergmite or whatever Ash's last capture is doesn't happen that late in XY; I don't want another Snorunt situation to be frank. Ash is better off completing his team earlier than that in my view.

 

[Lisia]

In XY45, I think Serena said she'd like to catch a Female Meowstic. Serena's next capture eh ? I'd love if Serena does catch one since Female Meowstic is fabulous. It'd help in her Performing goal.

 

[SerenaForTheWin]

In XY45, I think Serena said she'd like to catch a Female Meowstic. Serena's next capture eh ? I'd love if Serena does catch one since Female Meowstic is fabulous. It'd help in her Performing goal.

yup that's true though tbh i'm not sure when serena is going to be catching espurr/ meowstic but yes its definitely a good additional for her team

 

[KKS-Lapras]

yup that's true though tbh i'm not sure when serena is going to be catching espurr/ meowstic but yes its definitely a good additional for her team

Watch her catch a male, lol!

 

[giratina the shadow]

well it does suit her so i see no prob

 

[Nacreous]

I'm still gonna predict this team for Ash:

Pikachu---Uhcakip
Greninja---Sceptile
Talonflame---Swellow
Hawlucha---Torkoal
Sliggoo---Glalie
Phantump---Corphish

 

[KKS-Lapras]

I'm still gonna predict this team for Ash:

Pikachu---Uhcakip
Greninja---Sceptile
Talonflame---Swellow
Hawlucha---Torkoal
Sliggoo---Glalie
Phantump---Corphish

The only one I'm torn about is Goomy/Sliggoo. It's one of several possibilities. The rest, I fully agree with.

 

[Lucario At Service]

Anyway, to people who are worried about the goat's eventual "lame" moveset… well, I think that, in case Skiddo faced Ramos's Gogoat, it would require at least two non-Grass attacks to attack it. Take Down and Bulldoze would be good enough in its eventual preliminary moveset. Beside, even if it started with a rather weak moveset, it can still improve it later and learn new attacks. In fact, I'd love watching or learn new moves, like everybody else.

What my guess is if Ash gets a Skiddo, its starting set would most likely be,

- Tackle
- Razor Leaf
- Synthesis (its a defensive type pokemon like the Torterra line, so its a possibility) or Defense Curl
- Energy Ball/Horn Leech

And as a Gogoat (if it evolves),

- Take Down/Strength
- Energy Ball/Horn Leech
- Synthesis or Defense Curl
- Razor Leaf or Aerial Ace (its the writer favourite move, so much so that they even gave it to his Quilava and Krookodile)

I doubt the writers would give it Bulldozeespecially since its a pokemon belonging to Ash and the 5th Gym is an Electric type and having a SE move like that would not be good (especially if they decide to make Pikachu the Star in it again).

This is based on how the past Electric type Gym battles have been played out, where Pikachu has most of the time been dominating and the main sweeper and the Grass type or Ground types (if used) have performed really poor (the DP and the BW Gyms).

Likewise i doubt it would get either Surf or Wild Charge as well. While Surf is a rarely animated move and is the type that can be pseudo'ly banned, Wild Charge would most likely be ignored because of Pikachu.

On the other hand, if its Phantump, then the possible move-set could be,

- Tackle
- Energy Ball/Horn Leech/Solar Beam (with higher chance to Energy Ball)
- Will-O-Wisp/Poison Jab (either of the move would be good)
- Shadow Claw/Phantom Force (leaning more towards Shadow Claw for now, and i doubt it would get Shadow Ball since Jessie's Pumpkaboo already knows that move)

 

[Nacreous]

I have a feeling Clemont will use his current team in the battle against Ash.

Bunnelby is pretty strong.Chespin,I think it'll evolve and he'll also,most likely,catch that Luxio.

 

[SerenaForTheWin]

I have a feeling Clemont will use his current team in the battle against Ash.

Bunnelby is pretty strong.Chespin,I think it'll evolve and he'll also,most likely,catch that Luxio.

wasn't luxio already confirmed for clemont , or was it just speculation

 

[ShinyCharyZard]

Yes the Luxio capture was confirmed..

I can't imagine why he'd completely blank out his Heliolisk when facing a gym opponent though, whether it's Ash or not..

Why would they have Ash battle a couple of unevolved and relatively unimpressive weenies like Bunnelby and Chespin for a badge anyway, when he's previously been facing the likes of MegaLucario and Gogoat? It'd make the gym victory seem incredibly cheap and leave a bitter taste in the mouths of many fans that hoped for a worthwhile battle.. not to mention they have absolutely nothing to do with the gyms specialist type.

 

[Cresselia92]

Spoiler: Post

What my guess is if Ash gets a Skiddo, its starting set would most likely be,

- Tackle
- Razor Leaf
- Synthesis (its a defensive type pokemon like the Torterra line, so its a possibility) or Defense Curl
- Energy Ball/Horn Leech

And as a Gogoat (if it evolves),

- Take Down/Strength
- Energy Ball/Horn Leech
- Synthesis or Defense Curl
- Razor Leaf or Aerial Ace (its the writer favourite move, so much so that they even gave it to his Quilava and Krookodile)

I doubt the writers would give it Bulldozeespecially since its a pokemon belonging to Ash and the 5th Gym is an Electric type and having a SE move like that would not be good (especially if they decide to make Pikachu the Star in it again).

This is based on how the past Electric type Gym battles have been played out, where Pikachu has most of the time been dominating and the main sweeper and the Grass type or Ground types (if used) have performed really poor (the DP and the BW Gyms).

Likewise i doubt it would get either Surf or Wild Charge as well. While Surf is a rarely animated move and is the type that can be pseudo'ly banned, Wild Charge would most likely be ignored because of Pikachu.

On the other hand, if its Phantump, then the possible move-set could be,

- Tackle
- Energy Ball/Horn Leech/Solar Beam (with higher chance to Energy Ball)
- Will-O-Wisp/Poison Jab (either of the move would be good)
- Shadow Claw/Phantom Force (leaning more towards Shadow Claw for now, and i doubt it would get Shadow Ball since Jessie's Pumpkaboo already knows that move)

Ok, let me tackle this discussion in different points:

Skiddo = defensive role?

There is a chance that Skiddo may be the wall of the team, but I see that Hawlucha can take a lot of hits by himself just fine, so I think that Skiddo could be free to have a balance between offensive power and defensive bulk, as well as being rather agile in its movements (especially if we look at Alexa's Gogoat, which could easily climb up a mountain while carrying three people in its back).

So I think that Skiddo could be a case of jack-of-all-trades, contrary to Phantump who would most likely end up being yet another speedy attacker due to its rather minute physique, and who most likely won't evolve (and eventually become a more bulky Pokémon, in a similar way of Turtwig becoming Torterra) due to the requirement of a trade for evolution. Not that I have problems with that, just saying.

Skiddo = lame moveset?

Ok, past Grass-types had rather unimpressive moves. However, that doesn't automatically mean that Skiddo can't have a more varied moveset. Besides, by that logic, shouldn't we expect a bland moveset for an eventual Phantump as well? I mean, why people attribute to Skiddo and its "blandness" a seemingly unavoidable bland moveset, while Phantump always gets interesting options and would seemingly break the mold just because it's a ghost? I find this a rather stupid double standard, to be frank.

Heck, for all we know, Phantump could end up having a rather bad moveset and have just decent moves for all the saga. Its "uniqueness" doesn't guarantee a unique set of attacks.

About Bulldoze… the only way I could see the writers avoiding it is if Clemont takes Heliolisk with him. However, for now that seems an unlikely circumstance, and Bulldoze doesn't see that hard to animate, so the baby goat shouldn't have problems in getting it.

Anyway, these are my two cents. Don't let previous "patterns" hamper your views of the Skiddo line. You could end up surprised.

 

[Lucario At Service]

I have a feeling Clemont will use his current team in the battle against Ash.

Bunnelby is pretty strong.Chespin,I think it'll evolve and he'll also,most likely,catch that Luxio.

So you want Clemont to use non Electric type Pokemons in an Electric type Gym.

You do know that something like this rarely happens in the anime. Until now the only Gym Battles that Ash faced in which pokemons not belonging to the Gym type were used, was the 'Viridian Gym' during OS, 'Blackthorn Gym' during Johto (for obvious reasons) and the 'Snowpoint Gym' during DP. And except for 'Snowpoint Gym', the other 2 had valid reasons for why Gym type pokemons weren't used.

Also why would it be bad for Clemont to use his Gym's Electric type Pokemons for the battle against Ash.

Truthfully, considering that Clemont acts as Ash's training partner sometimes and Ash knows Bunnelby's and Chespin's battling style, it would be kind of worthless for them to be used in the Gym battle. Also, at the rate the series is going, i doubt that either Bunnelby or Chespin would be evolved by then. Because if they don't then do you really think they would have a chance against either Fletchinder or possibly a Frogadier.

I would rather see him use Magnemite or Magneton along with Heliolisk because they are unknown factors to Ash so he has to specially prepare to fight against them. There is also the fact that Clembot is actually training Clemont's Gym pokemon to be more stronger and have different style of battling.

So, the Heliolisk we saw in episode XY009, could very well have powered-up and be totally different from the one that would eventually fight Ash.

The only team pokemon i can see Clemont using during his Gym battle against Ash would be Luxio (if Clemont gets it). It is an Electric type pokemon so it matches the Gym type. It is also a pokemon that Clemont has known since a long time and seems to have a special bond with it. Plus its a 2nd stage pokemon, meaning its at the right power level to be a 5th Gym pokemon. And since its going be a newer capture, Ash won't have that much knowledge about it as much as he has against Bunnelby and Chespin

 

[Navin]

I hope Serena's Pancham evolves. Serena + Pangoro is what I have been saying is the real deal since the beginning. Pangoro could be her powerhouse. I hope it doesn't stay as an unevolved cute mon, even though her goal seems to be looking as cute as possible on stage.

 

[zhixun]

I have a feeling Clemont will use his current team in the battle against Ash.

Bunnelby is pretty strong.Chespin,I think it'll evolve and he'll also,most likely,catch that Luxio.

I agree with you although Citron may use his gym team. Either Harimaron or Horubee should be in the battle.

 

[Lucario At Service]

Ok, let me tackle this discussion in different points:

Spoiler

Skiddo = defensive role?

There is a chance that Skiddo may be the wall of the team, but I see that Hawlucha can take a lot of hits by himself just fine, so I think that Skiddo could be free to have a balance between offensive power and defensive bulk, as well as being rather agile in its movements (especially if we look at Alexa's Gogoat, which could easily climb up a mountain while carrying three people in its back).

So I think that Skiddo could be a case of jack-of-all-trades, contrary to Phantump who would most likely end up being yet another speedy attacker due to its rather minute physique, and who most likely not evolve (and eventually become a more bulky Pokémon, in a similar way of Turtwig becoming Torterra) due to the requirement of a trade for evolution. Not that I have problems with that, just saying.

While i agree that Hawlucha can take hits, but by no means it can be a wall.

And being a defensive type doesn't mean it doesn't have good offensive power. As seen before, all of Ash's defensive pokemons have pretty high offensive capabilities as well (like Snorlax or Torterra for example).

As for Alexa's Gogoat, while it had good dexterity, we really haven't seen it to be agile (point: jumping power is different from running power).

The problem with Ash's Torterra was that it actually tried to be a jack-of-all-trades i.e., it tried to be a defensive as well as an offensive type pokemon with good speed. I believe that it was actually the speed factor (thanks to Rock Climb) that really killed it.

On the point of Phantump, even if it doesn't evolving it won't be a problem for me because Ash already has alot of evolved Grass type in reserve, so it not evolving won't matter much. Even if it evolves, it won't be like Ash's Torterra as seen in 'XY038' where though it looked bulky it still had better speed (without any boost).

Skiddo = lame moveset?

Spoiler

Ok, past Grass-types had rather unimpressive moves. However, that doesn't automatically mean that Skiddo can't have a more varied moveset. Besides, by that logic, shouldn't we expect a bland moveset for an eventual Phantump as well? I mean, why people attribute to Skiddo and its "blandness" a seemingly unavoidable bland moveset, while Phantump always gets interesting options and would seemingly break the mold just because it's a ghost? I find this a rather stupid double standard, to be frank.

Heck, for all we know, Phantump could end up having a rather bad moveset and have just decent moves for all the saga. Its "uniqueness" doesn't guarantee a unique set of attacks.

About Bulldoze… the only way I could see the writers avoiding it is if Clemont takes Heliolisk with him. However, for now that seems an unlikely circumstance, and Bulldoze doesn't see that hard to animate, so the baby goat shouldn't have problems in getting it.

The difference between Skiddo/Gogoat and Phantump/Trevenant lies in their move-pool.

While Phantump/Trevenant only has access to 2 overused Grass type moves (i.e., Solar Beam and Energy Ball). Skiddo/Gogoat has 5 of them (i.e., Vine Whip, Razor Leaf, Leaf Blade, Solar Beam, Energy Ball).

As for other commonly used moves (i.e., writers/animators favourite) for Phantump/Trevenant its Tackle, Will-O-Wisp, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast and X-Scissor.

Out of these only 1 move have been commonly utilized by Ash's pokemon (i.e., Tackle). While Focus Blast is only known by 1 pokemon and X-Scissor is only known by 2 pokemon. But none of his pokemons know either Will-O-Wisp or Shadow Ball.

On the other hand, the commonly used move that Skiddo/Gogoat have, are Tackle, Aerial Ace, Take Down and Rollout, and all of them have been used by Ash's pokemon.

As for unique/rarely used moves (non Grass type moves and can be used in the anime by the said pokemon), Skiddo/Gogoat has Bulldoze/Earthquake, Bulk Up, Payback, Rock Slide, Wild Charge, Surf.

While Phantump/Trevenant has Confuse Ray, Feint Attack, Psychic, Rock Slide, Poison Jab, Rock Smash, Dark Pulse, Power-Up Punch.

The problem with Bulldoze/Earthquake is that those 2 moves can get temporary bans in the anime at any moment (because of the nature of those moves). This applies on Surf as well.

While the writers have never given Ash a move which boost offensive power like Bulk Up, though they have given his pokemons moves that boost either defensive power or movement speed. And like i said before, we won't be seeing any pokemon belonging to Ash use an Electric type move other than Pikachu.

This leaves Skiddo/Gogoat with possibly Payback or Rock Slide. Though it can learn Rock Smash and Brick Break, but i doubt we would ever see a quadruped type pokemon use those moves.

On the other hand, Confuse Ray and Psychic would be a no for a pokemon belonging to Ash. Even that leaves Phantump/Trevenant with quite a few unique moves (while not considering Ghost type move).

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On the other hand, what you said about Phantump/Trevenant getting a bad moveset is also highly possible.

But the way its move-pool is like, the chances of him having atleast one unique move would make all the difference for it.

And since its part Ghost type, it would most likely be given a Ghost type move. That alone would make it different from all of Ash's other Grass type pokemons.
Just like how Leavanny being part Bug type made it quite different and unique than Snivy and his other Grass types, even though it had 2 commonly used Grass type moves (i.e., Energy Ball and Razor Leaf). But it still got 2 Bug type moves.

Also Will-O-Wisp is a writers/animators favourite move that they give Ghost type commonly in the anime. And since it works differently in the anime than in the games, i believe it would be the first time that a writers/animators favourite move would actually be unique and different for Ash.

Anyway, these are my two cents. Don't let previous "patterns" hamper your views of the Skiddo line. You could end up surprised.

Well that's true. But with what happened with pokemons like Sceptile, Torterra and especially Snivy (not counting the ones before them since they had limited move-pool to begin with in their respective Gens). I can't help but keep my expectations low. This way if something good and unique happens, i can still enjoy it a bit.